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Infernape (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
Obviously, Over heat could go here but sometimes he stays in and sweeps fairly well.
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Salamence and Daring Flygon leads that want to stay in and EQ
- Grass Knot
Hippos and Swamperts
- Vacuum Wave
Its a toss up between this and Close Combat, but after a lot of both, no blissey really comes in on infernape. Focus Blast missed to much and people just automatically think he has a strong fighting attack.

Okay so the point of this pokemon is to get people to Attack / Taunt > SR. Infernapes frailty and known status as a suicide lead leads people to think its fake oiut / SR So before many leads can set up SR he has killed them or set things up for.

this.

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Shiftry (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Fake Out
Comes in and always fakes out. Lets me know what they think shiftry is doing with who they switch to and i play accordingly, but mostly they just syat ina nd ill attack accordingly.
-Explosion
- Sucker Punch
- Leaf Storm

This thing is absolutly terrible for opposing teams and always kills one pokemon and can take out entire teams.

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Heatran (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 176 HP/252 Spd/80 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Explosion
After I sub up and start hitting things hard with EP and Flamethrower I explode on blisseys and Latias.
- Substitute
Famous for causing switches stay behind the sub and attack.
- Flamethrower
Stab
- Earth Power
Other Trans random neutral damage

From what i've seen after a few months of using this its standard. I only use this pokemon because it can reveal a lot about the opposing team quickly and also eliminate a few in doing so.

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Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Discharge
Thunderbolt and Discharge OHKO most of the same things. I like the paralyze.
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Scizor and Forry and Steelz
- Explosion
- Signal Beam

With all the Focus sash going on. scizors love to come in and bullet punch. This comes in and hits it kos it.

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Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP/40 Def/216 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
General Damage.
- Roost
Healing and can help sometimes with slower pokemon Stone Edging and what not.
- Toxic
Breaks stall and sometimes when I bring this in on steel pokemon I like to toxic
- Taunt
This whole metagame is based around people setting shit up to make things easier.

This picks off random slow pokemon that set shit up like umbreon. It Also take out pokemon like blissey and snorlax.

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Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 168 HP/120 Def/220 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Rest
- Body Slam
- Fire Punch

Lategame curselacks.


This team goes like this. Infernape comes out and leads thier lead away from setting up SR. Makes them want to hurt it. After the beginning Infernape is either gone or at no health. If things went well thier lead didnt lay SR and is dead or almost. Shiftry comes in and Fake Out. Seeing if they switch or stay in. Then attack accordingly wether it be LEaf Storming weak enemys or Sucker Punching gengars and azelfs. Exlode when finished. Heatran comes in and Subs up and trys to get a few attacks in then I explode on thier counter, like I said earlier is mostly always Latias or Blissey. While all that went on if scizor or skarm came in magnezone came in and picked them off. Gliscor hands pokemon trying to set up and generally disrupts other teams plans. All the exploding and revenge killing leaves me with Curselax up against something usually unable to hurt it.
 
Firstly, you have three weaknesses to Ground and only one Resistance to Rock. This means that you are wide open against most Phycical Sweepers that uses Stone Edge and Earthquake, Dugtrio, Tyranitar and Gliscor to name a few.
In order to solve this problem, I would replace either Magnezone or heatran with either Slowbro or Vaporeon. The reason i suggest that you replace Magnezone or Heatran is because they both basically do the same thing, they are both special sweepers and Steel Types, and you usually only need one steel type for each team.
Both Vaporeon and Slowbro works as walls, witch means that they are capable of blocking sweepers. Also, they are both water types meaning that they have type advantage versus most Earthquake users. For your team, I would suggest Slowbro because Vaporeon doesn't have the ability to spam Thunder Wave, witch is a good move to support your Snorlax, and a good move in general. The set I am going to recommend is the "Bulky Water". You can find it on the analys, but I am going to post it here anyway.

Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature (+Def -Atk)
- Slack Off
- Surf
- Phychic / Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave

Slowbro is quite uncommon in OU, but it is used by a few really good teams. In the third slot, it is more about personal preferance. I prefer Ice Beam as Dragon types will otherwise be hard to deal with, and even though Phychic is stabbed, you should count them as tied damage as they are both only in use when you have Super Effective damage. If you prefer to use Phychic to take on Gengar and fighing types, it's okay to.

Also, Shiftry is compleatly outdated. Nobody uses it anymore. As I understand, it basically attacks and then explodes when it is done. Someone that can do that, but even better than shiftry, is Azelf. It is basically the same thing, but azelf is stronger. It can't Fake Out, but as you say yourself the opponent usually stays in and you can act according to that. Azelf can be used both as a Choice Item sweeper and a Life Orb user. You can choose to use Choice Band/Scarf, being a phycical sweeper, or you can choose a Special based one with Life Orb.
Deciding witch to use isn't so hard. If you want someone who does Shiftrys job, but better, choose the Life Orb variant. If you want a scout witch can both scout, deal high damage, and explode for killing threats, choose Choice Band. I strongly recommend the Choice Band as you don't have a Scout or a Choice Band sweeper. In fact, you don't have any choice item user if you choose to replace Magnezone. Here is the set:

Azelf @ Choice Band
Ability: Leviate
Jolly Nature (+Spd -SAtk)
EV's: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
- U-Turn
- Zen Headbutt
- Explosion
- Ice Punch / Fire Punch

With the given Speed EV's, you can outrun Timid Gengar. Also, with 36 HP EV's you will have 301 HP. This will allow you to survive 3 Seismic Tosses unless Stealth Rock / Sandstorm is in. If it is, just run max speed. U-Turn is for Scouting, Zen Headbutt is your primary attack, Explosion for... well, Exploding. The last slot to take down whatever Zen can't. I recommend using Fire Punch to take down steel types, witch would oterwise wall Azelf, making it have to switch out.

One last thing. If you want to use Infernape as a lead, I strongly recommend the standard one:
Infernape @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
Hasty / Naive Nature
EV's: 64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
- Fake Out
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Close Combat / Encore

This is an offensive lead. First you will Fake Out to take out your opponents Focus Sash, then either attack or set up Stealth Rock. With Blaze and Focus Sash, you will be able to hit all Steel Leads and OHKO them. About the last slot, you can use whatever you want. Encore is for locking your opponent into Stealth Rock and force him to switch, while Close Close Combat makes you hit every pokemon in OU for at least Neutral damage (I think). If you choose Encore, change the Nature so that it lowers you Attack, and put the 64 Atk EV's to HP.
 
Slobro doesn't resist Rock / Ground. One main user of that is Tar and crunch is bad news bears.

Shiftry is purely effective only based on suprise. It it for coming in revenge killing something and exploding.

As far as infernape goes I need no SR down on my side a lot more than I need SR down on thier side.
 
Focus Sash on Shiftry might not be the best item, mainly b/c with entry hazrds up, the sash could be broken. Which means that you have no item.

You can have leftovers, or Expert Belt.
 
If infernape does its job SR isnt down.

Shiftry will lose its sash quickly sometimes and is still effective with no sash.

But with the sash it can take out like 3 pokemon.
 
I dont mean to be rude bear, but you are taking all the kind help these gentlemen are being nice enough to give you, and throwing it out the window without even giving it a shot.

What they are saying is completley true, Shiftry sucks, big time. Azelf could do you a whole lot better in almost any given situation.

And most players you come across will get SR down no matter what. Your Infernape will not stop them. Period. Especiailly if they are running Azelf, who will outspeed you every time, no questions asked.

Also, your lack of a Rapid Spinner will give you problems because they will get SR down because you have no way to get rid of them, and since you do not have SR of your own, there can be no residual damage on the opposing team, making it harder to KO and not breaking Focus Sashes to boot.

On to my next point, Slowbro. Slowbro would help you a lot, as a Bulky Water he can stop Gyarados and Salamence and at least keep them in check for a few turns, and if they are stupid enough to stay in, they take a Thunder Wave to the face which will permantly cripple their sweeping power.

Your team needs some work, which i imagine is why you posted here in the first place. However, if you refuse to take the great advice mentioned by me, agiyr, and Johnny2hai, you will recieve no further help.
 
Its not that I'm not taking thier advice. I've been going through an testing all of it. I just like to put up a little fight and see if thier way is the way I really want to go.
 
bear said:
Shiftry (M) @ Focus Sash
- Fake Out
Comes in and always fakes out. Lets me know what they think shiftry is doing with who they switch to and i play accordingly, but mostly they just syat ina nd ill attack accordingly.
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Fake out is generally useless on a pokemon that isn't leading, because its sole purpose would be to break the opponent's sash. Anyway, doesn't do much in these team. It's easily walled, and set-up fodder for stuff like lucario, breloom and gyarados.

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bear said:
EVs: 176 HP/252 Spd/80 SAtk
- Earth Power
Other Trans random neutral damage
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My LO heatran runs rash, 216 speed to outspeed tyranitar. Might want to consider that option. Earth power on other heatran =/= random neutral damage. Heatran is 4x weak to ground (and you should know that).

bear said:
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Scizor and Forry and Steelz
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Neutral thunderbolt does more to steels like jirachi/lucario than hidden power fire.

bear said:
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Explosion
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Magnezone cannot KO blissey with a -Atk nature and no stealth rock up. An option would be to change your nature from timid to naive (-SpD) and drop the speed EVs such that magnezone beats max speed jirachi (328 speed) and put the rest into attack.

bear said:
If infernape does its job SR isnt down.
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That's only if you run a standard leadApe with fake out and/or taunt. Without them, you're not going to prevent mamoswine, metagross and swampert. Btw, grass knot has zero chance to OHKO swampert without a boosting nature.

Your team doesn't seem to have much synergy. It's like throwing a few pokemon together and hoping that they achieve something. You also have no real answer for opposing mixApe and DDgyara, among others, except exploding on them (which is not much of a strategy).

Hope I wasn't too harsh.
 
Izzetmaster said:
I dont mean to be rude bear, but you are taking all the kind help these gentlemen are being nice enough to give you, and throwing it out the window without even giving it a shot.

What they are saying is completley true, Shiftry sucks, big time. Azelf could do you a whole lot better in almost any given situation.

And most players you come across will get SR down no matter what. Your Infernape will not stop them. Period. Especiailly if they are running Azelf, who will outspeed you every time, no questions asked.

Also, your lack of a Rapid Spinner will give you problems because they will get SR down because you have no way to get rid of them, and since you do not have SR of your own, there can be no residual damage on the opposing team, making it harder to KO and not breaking Focus Sashes to boot.

On to my next point, Slowbro. Slowbro would help you a lot, as a Bulky Water he can stop Gyarados and Salamence and at least keep them in check for a few turns, and if they are stupid enough to stay in, they take a Thunder Wave to the face which will permantly cripple their sweeping power.

Your team needs some work, which i imagine is why you posted here in the first place. However, if you refuse to take the great advice mentioned by me, agiyr, and Johnny2hai, you will recieve no further help.
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bear said:
Its not that I'm not taking thier advice. I've been going through an testing all of it. I just like to put up a little fight and see if thier way is the way I really want to go.
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If Izzetmaster wouldn't post that, that's exactly what I was going to say.

I, Izzetmaster and Jonny2hai have clearly played this game seriously a bit longer than you, and the reason you posted this RMT is clearly not because you want to "reveal a top team" that eventually will be put into the archive index, but you act as it is.
As we all know, you posted this team to get help with it, but it's not going to get any better if you throw everything aside without giving it a try. Also, out suggestions are all good one that will improve your team,

RMT doesn't work like that, you cannot be against every piece of advice anyone gives you and try to defend your own case. If you cannot both take and agree with critisim, you shouldn't be posting your RMT.

And lastly I want to say that I did put a fairly high amount of work to this, and I was waiting to get an answer. The only thing I actually got was one single sentense that you posted to try to find ways to prove that all my suggestions were bad. I can take that kind of talk, but if you continue with that you will not get any more help with your team.
 
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