Oh Happy Day - Weatherless OU Team

[Lemmecutyou]

This was the previous sun team, but it got changed so ridiculously it wasn't even worth keeping the weather poke in here. Instead, I slowly turned this into a full on stall team.

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Azelf @ Focus Sash
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt
- Explosion

Ninetales (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drought
EVs: 132 HP / 124 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roar
- Nasty Plot

Kingdra (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 160 HP / 96 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Draco Meteor
- Agility

Gliscor (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Fang
- Swords Dance

Volcarona (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flame Body
EVs: 192 HP / 116 SAtk / 136 SDef / 64 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Quiver Dance
- Morning Sun
- Bug Buzz
- Flamethrower

Scizor (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- U-turn

Team Building Process

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Firstly, I wanted a poke who could set up Entry Hazards and abuse them. Something of a phazer. Looking around, I stumbled upon Nidoqueen, one of my fave pokes from gen 1.

Next I needed a nice physical wall, and I opted for a Ferrothorn, who could also set up rocks if Nidoqueen was already dead. And other wise could wall Dragon Pokes and Leech Seed and Thunder wave for epic lulz.

I still needed both a Spinner and a Spinblock. My favourite spin blocker was definitely Jellicent, especially in a stall team, with his ability to get off all important burns.
Spinner was a toss up between Forretress, Donphan or Tentacruel. Eventually I decided on Forretress as he could also set up some spikes/rocks.

Next came a solid wall breaker, a quick strong poke and I was choosing between Landorus and Terrakion, both seemed to be able to do the trick at the time and I prefered Landorus with his immunity to ground.

Lastly, a wish passer. Something that could give all my other pokes that help they needed when the going got tough, and with all the rain teams going around at that time, I went for vaporeon, which was a formidible wall on its own in the rain.

The first thing I realised about this team was the complete waste of a slot Forretress was. He was far too predictable and didn't really cover any weaknesses. Ferro was already covering dragon pokes better, so I dropped him for another spinner. Tentacruel came in and proved to be much better. He has much more useful resistances in this team.

Next, Landorous wasn't pulling his weight. Nor was Terrakion when I brought him in. They were just getting killed by opposing Priority uses, most predominant was a scizor. I replaced him with a Gliscor, which could take a hit from a scizor as well as being able to get an all useful Rock slide to normally take out scizor in a few turns.

Lastly, rain teams weren't as common as I thought, and Vaporeon was really quite useless, so I tried to replace him with a more consistant phazer/stall poke, and the best one I tried was Dragonite, which was quite surprising.
So here it is, the final team.

Nidoqueen (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Poison Point
EVs: 92 HP / 200 Def / 216 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail

Nodiqueen, quite a solid lead. Can, normally, get off two layers of toxic spikes before being taken out against most common leads. A major problem is versing opposing Azelf or other taunters, which render this guy only able to use Quake/Dragon Tail which aren't exactly the best moves.

Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 144 HP / 144 Atk / 92 Def / 128 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Thunder Wave
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Power Whip

This guy comes in and tries to get off as many waves as possible, whilst keeping himself alive through a seed and setting up stealth rocks if Nidoqueen hasn't. Powerwhip is obviously just there for his attacking moves.

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 124 HP / 96 Atk / 192 Def / 96 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Ice Fang
- Stone Edge/Fire Fang
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance

Tempted to lose the Stone Edge or Ice Fang for something with a little more coverage. Ice Fang is for Dragons and opposing Gliscor, whilst Quake is for Heatrans mostly.

Jellicent (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 80 Def / 136 SDef / 44 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Taunt
- Scald
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

The spin blocker of the team. He comes in safely on a spin most of the time, get's off a few good will o wisps before switching out. He can normally come back late game as a taunter after Nite and Ferro get off some paralysis.

Tentacruel (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 80 HP / 136 Def / 156 SDef / 136 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Giga Drain
- Ice Beam

Just a general all round best at covering practically everything. Can get off a good Spin and maybe even a burn with the Scald before i switch him out. His spec def makes him a more than useful wall, able to cope with almost any hits on switching in.

Dragonite (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 148 HP / 108 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Tail
- Thunder Wave
- Substitute
- Roost

Multiscale is broken, need I say more? Wave+Dragon Tail can wave their entire team and then Rocks more then take care of the rest of the team. He is practically un killable with a sub/roost/wave combo going on.​

 

[destinyunknown]

Hi,

As you have noticed, you have a huge problem with entry hazards. To fix this, you could try using Forretress over Azelf, especially because you lack an spinblocker and havin Stealth Rock up can prove very useful for winning your weather war, too. With Azelf, most spinners can come later and spin stealth rock, while Forretress can lay it down multiple times on a match.

Forretress@Leftovers | Sturdy
Relaxed Nature | 252 Hp / 176 Def / 80 SpD
Stealth Rock / Rapid Spin / Gyro Ball / Volt Switch

In my opinion, your team is very weak to opposing Volcarona, as it can easily set up on Scizor or Ninetales (and even Kingdra due to Sun cancelling Volcarona's water weakness) and you have no way of stopping it. For this reason, you could replace Kingdra (which is not doing much for your team with your current moveset) with Dragon Dance Dragonite. Dragonite can act as a check to opposing Sun teams, as well as being a good sweeper and a good pokemon to defeat stall teams. Here's the set:

Dragonite@Lum Berry | Multiscale
Adamant Nature | 4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Dragon Dance / ExtremeSpeed / Outrage / Fire Punch

Good Luck!

 

[heinz25]

I would add in a victreebel into your team. With the moveset it would cover a lot of options. Victreebel like venusaur is a beast in sun

Victreebel (F)
Trait: Chlorophyll
life orb/black sludge/wide lens
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed

Timid Nature (+Speed, -Atk)
- Growth/sleep powder
- Giga Drain/solar beam
- Weather Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]

 

[Lemmecutyou]

Bump this up.
Complete team change up.

 

[frogoholic101]

I would add in a victreebel into your team. With the moveset it would cover a lot of options. Victreebel like venusaur is a beast in sun

Victreebel (F)
Trait: Chlorophyll
life orb/black sludge/wide lens
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed

Timid Nature (+Speed, -Atk)
- Growth/sleep powder
- Giga Drain/solar beam
- Weather Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]

And this would help his non-weather team how?

First things first, you may want to fix your EVs. Ferrothorn wants more HP EVs and doesn't even need the attack. Dragonite has one attack and so does not need Adamant; go with Careful, 252HP/4Atk/252Sp.Def. Because your team lacks speed, I'd suggest a standard Starmie over Tentacruel; this will also help you with Dragons and it is a more reliable spinner than the jellyfish.

 

[DoomTrain]

Your pokes' EVs spread really suck, none of your pokes run max HP (bar Jellicent) and some of them are really ridicolous. That's the first thing to change if you really want to play this team.

Nidoqueen: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Impish
Ferrothorn: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef Impish
Gliscor: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd Impish
Jellicent: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spd Bold
Tentacruel: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd Bold
Dragonite: 248 HP / 252 SDef / 8 Spd Careful

These would be the best EVs spreads.

Why are you running Stealth Rock on both Nidoqueen and Ferrothorn? Run spikes on Ferrothorn instead.

Running a Parashuffler Dragonite in a ToxicSpikes based team is counterproductive in my opinion, you should really consider another poke to replace Dragonite, such as CMRoar Latias that can help you with your Reuniclus issues

Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Roar
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover / Roost

As a ToxicSpikes based team you should consider a change in Gliscor's set from SD to SubToxic:

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 220 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, - SAtk)
- Substitute
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake


I don't know what else to say but I think that the team should be deeply changed.
Hope I helped!

 

[heinz25]

And this would help his non-weather team how?

First things first, you may want to fix your EVs. Ferrothorn wants more HP EVs and doesn't even need the attack. Dragonite has one attack and so does not need Adamant; go with Careful, 252HP/4Atk/252Sp.Def. Because your team lacks speed, I'd suggest a standard Starmie over Tentacruel; this will also help you with Dragons and it is a more reliable spinner than the jellyfish.

FYI, If you didn't know,he actually was in fact using a weather team before. It previously was a sun team.Why would I recommend he use a victreebel in a non sun team, that is retarded. Before your post, he did say Complete team change up. He also even has the original sun team at the beginning of his post, not sure if it was there when you posted, but clearly you would have seen it if it was.

 

[frogoholic101]

FYI, If you didn't know,he actually was in fact using a weather team before. It previously was a sun team.Why would I recommend he use a victreebel in a non sun team, that is retarded. Before your post, he did say Complete team change up. He also even has the original sun team at the beginning of his post, not sure if it was there when you posted, but clearly you would have seen it if it was.

And yet the title says 'weatherless team', and at the start of the RMT he says that he made a completely different team. Regardless, without Ninetales, Victreebel is a silly idea. The team he wants rating is the weatherless one; he isn't using the sun one anymore.

 

[ZoroDark]

Hi there, nice team!
First off all, you are using Stealth Rock twice! That is a bit strange, so i suggest changing the set of Nidoqueen a bit. Jellicent + Tentacruel is a bit strange, bevause they do the same job. Your EV's also look somewhat strange. Dragonite don't need ATk EV's, same for Ferrothorn. I suggest for Jellicent something more offensive, a Terrakion would fit nicely. Dragon Dancers or any speed booster runs over your team, because you can't revenge them. Hope i helped!

 

[heinz25]

And yet the title says 'weatherless team', and at the start of the RMT he says that he made a completely different team. Regardless, without Ninetales, Victreebel is a silly idea. The team he wants rating is the weatherless one; he isn't using the sun one anymore.

Dude I know that the title says Non Weather team. That is because the team was changed from a Weather Team(Sun Team) into a NON WEATHER TEAM , any idiot can see that, from reading his post. All I was trying to let you know, is that when I recommended Victreebel, he was infact using a weather team (sun team) at that time. By the time you had posted in his thread he wasn't using the sun team anymore. Yes I know that Victreebel without ninetails is silly, god!!! Did I not say it was retarded to use him on a Non Sun Team previously when I responded to you? BTW, I never once said he wants his previous sun team rated. Can you not read?

Anyways, think about it, why would he previously put a ninetails on his team, put a volcarona on his team, refer to it as a sun team, then place Weatherless in the title. That makes no damn sense. Can you not see that "Weatherless" was placed there after he changed it from the sun team into his current team.

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Hey man this is a pretty cool stall team you got here, Nidoqueen is cool as always. First off a few of your pokemon have some odd sets.

First off give Nidoqueen sheer force, it makes it amazing. I suggest you use the standard physical wall nidoqueen, Nidoqueen really doesn't need special defense and with a full physically defensive set you can even do toe to toe with Dragonite and Terrakion. A movepool of earthquake / ice beam / toxic spikes / flamethrower with 252 HP / 252 Def is pretty good.

Ferrothorn just has an odd ev spread; it really doesn't need attack investment at all. Just go with 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD. If you really want that attack investment run 252 HP / 144 Att / 88 Def / 24 SpD since you really don't want to take off from HP investment and Ferrothorn doesn't really need that special defense (it just allows it to take volt switches better). Also consider running protect > thunder wave for extra HP recovery while can really help Ferrothorn stick around.

Use protect over fire fang / stone edge here to aid in healing, just trust me here it is a better move.

I have no idea what your doing with your Tentacruel honestly, but I was bored and decided to fix up your spread, 252 HP / 112 Def / 8 SpD / 136 Spe has more defense investment, the same special defense investment, and the same speed, which makes it just better, calc it out if you want to. Giga drain is just a bad move, if since you have a free move use protect or toxic in its place, you may also want to give it rain dish to help against rain teams.

Starmie might be something worth besting over Tentacruel actually. They both seem to reform about the sae job on this team and Starmie can be useful for checking things, I am not sure if you want to use the Standard Starmie or defensive one over it (since you already have Gliscor AND Nidoqueen for Terrakion). You will have to ditch toxic spikes on Tentacruel/Nidoqueen though.

Dragonite is fine... but I suggest you use something over it as you have a rather glaring weakness to Reunicles and a lot of pokemon (Dragonite can't actually do anything to most threats). I suggest you use Latias over it to deal with the same special threats, actually damage them, and roar them out, it can also check Latios. Jirachi may be a tempting choice here, but it leaving a massive Celebi weakness while I don't think I could fix without a massive team overhaul (I was thinking both Gliscor and Nidoqueen is redundant, but then I’m changing over half your team).

Changes overall:
-Sheer force Nidoqueen + standard set
-Give ferrothorn 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD or 252 HP / 144 Att / 88 Def / 24 SpD
-Ferrothorn: protect > thunder wave
-Tentacruel:252 HP / 112 Def / 8 SpD / 136 Spe + protect or toxic over giga drain + rain dish
-Starmie > Tentacruel
-Latias > Dragonite

Nidoqueen, Starmie sets, Latias

Nidoqueen (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
- Toxic Spikes

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 12 SAtk / 224 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Roar
- Recover

Good luck.

 

[MEGAWATAMELON]

this is just a small thing but you should change tentacruels item to black sludge. even though they do the same thing, say it gets tricked now your opponent takes damage.

 

[Seth Vilo]

this is just a small thing but you should change tentacruels item to black sludge. even though they do the same thing, say it gets tricked now your opponent takes damage.

...And then they Trick it right back to a non-Poison type of yours next chance they get to make YOUR Pokemon loose health each turn. Leftovers is usually better for that reason alone.