Oldschool comeback (rmt)

Dugtrio and Blastoise are 1st Gen.

Blastoise is probably better-suited to Phys walling than Venusaur. Dugtrio could replace Charizard to help your Elec weakness.

Hitmonlee or Machamp could provide you with the ever-needed Fighting type moves for this team over Kabutops.
 
Any team that relies on a Bellyzard sweep NEEDS a Rapid Spinner because Stealth Rock is so common. Donphan, Hitmontop, Claydol, and Starmie are all great choices each with their own benefits. If you want 1st gen spinners, Starmie and Hitmonchan are your only options.
 
Your team has rain and a bellyzard which isn't really good since they go against each other. Also a bellyzard team needs alot of Rapid Spin and possibly weather support. I would drop Charizard all together since you will need alot more changing to make it work. I think a more raindance oriented team would be better.

I would lead with a Jirachi instead of Gyarados. Use Give it Rain Dance/U-Turn/Wish/Thunder and make it your Rain Starter for the rest of the team.

Focus Sash might now work well on Kabutops since a Bronzong lead will be able to set up Stealth Rock on you and make Focus Sash useless. You can take off Rain Dance on it also and give him another attack.

Kingdra would fit into the team well also over Gengar (it doesn't counter Blissey anyways). It can be the 2nd rain starter for your team.

Snorlax is fine.

Not so sure about Venasaur since you say you have a Garchomp weakness. Tangrowth would help more since it resists ground and can KO with HP ice. You could just take out Venasaur and keep Gyarados instead though.

Tyranitar does give this team problems. Hitmontop would be good to counter Tyranitar and also Rapid Spin.
 
well ok, some good points made... now...

I had a blastiose but removed it to fit in gyara, wrong choice??

Also you guys think kingdra would do well over gengar, and that I should remove charizard, and possibly fit in a starmie.
And remove venusar....
So all except snorlax would be water, that doesnt sound right ^^
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So basicly none of my pkmn are any good except maybe snorlax?
Its not like u have to use OU to win... right?
I wanna let you know, im not impossible when it comes to making changes within the team, but its really hard just to change some pokemon.

So lets say we remove charizard, hes gone.
And we put in a kingdra with something like this

~ Rain Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Surf
~ Draco Meteor
So this opens up a moveslot on kabutops, wich will prolly be aqua jet or something.

So now I have:

Kabutops
Gyarados
Kingdra
Venusaur
Gengar
snorlax
......

Im an oldschool player, and so I love 1st and 2nd gen (mostly 1stgen)
And I must stress, I do want to be somewhat unique!
 
Just like you said, now Kabutops doesn't have to setup Rain for itself and becomes a lot more deadly. I use a much bulkier 128 HP/ 252 Att / 128 Spd spread, but that's me.

Aqua Jet is also my move of choice, it lets Kabutops function against faster enemies outside of the Rain Dance (Weavile), plus it lets you take down weakened foes that you suspect are holding a Scarf. X-Scissor is also an option.

I wouldn't give him Focus Sash, his 105 base defense lets him live through quite a bit. Life Orb is decent, especially if you're picking Mystic Water over Life Orb on Kingdra.

Agreed on the 'don't lead with Snorlax', but I wouldn't say Gyarados is your only option. Kingdra can lead, but you'll have to be wary of taunters (ie, you can't always setup rain asap). It is a shame Gyarados is not taking advantage of the Rain via Waterfall, but I understand the coverage. Gengar 'could' use Thunder, if you think Rain will be up quite a bit, but since no one is holding Damp Rock.. it might be a risky venture.

Hope some of this helps.
 
You don't want everything to be water, but a rain dance team would be good. From what I reccomended you would have Jirachi/Snorlax/Kingdra/Gyarados/Hitmontop/Kabutops. It still fits your "old school" theme (except Jirachi)
 
ok looks pretty cool, im not to sure about jirachi, he really doesnt fit the theme at all, but im gonna look into some movesets and see if I can get a nice raindancing one.

Now, just quickly browsing my team.

I dont have much grass covrage, almost NO steel coverage.
No fighting and no bug? :S

I need fire somewhere, even thought this is a raindancing team (atleast now it is lol) I do still need the fire for covrage!

Maybe I should get a toxicroak in there somewhere lol :D.
And I do need the fighting moves. And dry skin looks awsome :D
 
Vaporeon is an awesome Poke to have Rain Dance on, as it has so many slots for filler moves. I'd personally use Rain Dance, Wish, Surf, Hidden Power Electric. Helps with the whole Gyarados could fuck you thing.

So if we go with the Water core of Kabutops, Kingdra, Vaporeon, I'd keep the Snorlax for overall insurance of special attackers, however I would like to add in Dugtrio. Kills off random Electrics you might face, stops other randoms like Alakazam, kill off any Tyranitar or other low healthed annoyances, such as Abomasnow at 50% or something. Doesn't hurt it could revenge most Fighters.

Okay, some Fighters.


As for the last Poke, I'd probably add something like..Zapdos. This could help against fighters in addition to having some grass and bug and steel resists like you needed. Hell slap Thunder on that hoe and it can abuse the rain too!
 
Thanks Aeroblacktyl!

I was thinking of going with a cune istead of vaporeon, but hes way to boring for me. :)

I didnt take your advice on the pokes in particular. But I did take it into consideration when picking the other 2.

I was thinking a Gardevoir with Thunder/t-bolt to cover the gyara problem.
and a Aerodactyl to handle the revenge killing.

Thought I just tryed this new setup on smogon and II got sweapt by a calm-cune. Do I need a hazer? how do I counter cune?

Thanks for all the help.


Current setup:




Vaporeon (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/68 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Wish
- Rain Dance
- "*Haze???*"
---
Kingdra (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 168 Atk/88 Spd/252 SAtk
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- Hydro Pump
- Draco Meteor
---
Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 168 HP/120 Def/220 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
---
Aerodactyl (M) @ Life Orb ?? "Choice band??"
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 42 HP/252 Atk/216 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
---
Gardevoir (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/32 Spd/48 SAtk/176 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Wish
- Will-o-wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
---
Kabutops (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 56 HP/252 Atk/200 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- X-Scissor
---
 
Haze would definitely stall out Cune and eventually beat it. However if you want to make it go by faster, I'd try like Calm Mind on Gardevoir myself, or try out Psych Up for some fun on it as well.
 
Put your team in the first post. Its not hard, just copy-paste. I've found that Kingdra works a lot better if you have something else setting up the rain for it. You can then Taunt and send in Kingdra who gets to come in unstatised and sweep. Crobat would make for a more interesting and successful lead:
-Hypnosis
-Rain Dance
-Taunt
-U-Turn
 
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