OU balanced team

Dragonman13

I was into gen 4 battling alot, just getting into gen 5. hows this team?

Skarmory@leftovers
252 hp/252 def/4 spD
impish
brave bird
spikes
whirlwind
roost

classic skarmory, takes physical hits like a champ. helps to counter alot of threats, especially excadrill, scizor, and lucario

heatran@air balloon
252 hp/252 spA/4 speed
modest
fire blast
earth power
hp ice
stealth rock

often my lead, heatran has great offensive/defensive abilities. he helps me greatly against sun teams, and counters a ton of pokes with his resistances. i switch around alot between a fire/water/grass core, plus skarmory

shaymin@leftovers
252 hp/252 spA/4 spe
modest
leech seed
protect
seed flare
hp fire

this set was always overrated, but never more so than now. shaymin is like always at around 75% health using this set with leech seed/protect/leftovers combo. seed flare hurts like a bitch when i max out my spA, and hp fire is used for the many steel/grass types that try to switch in

jellicent@leftovers
I'm not sure of a good EV set/nature for this guy, I've been switching it around alot, maybe you guys can help
scald
toxic
shadow ball
recover

a spin blocker, and a handy pokemon in general. helps against infernape, heatran, and many others, and can spread status around easily with toxic/scald

deoxys-s@choice specs
252 spA, 236 spe, 20 hp
modest
thunderbolt
ice beam
psycho shock
shadow ball

amazing revenge killer right here, excellent coverage and psycho shock puts a huge dent in anything that doesnt resist. the ev's I believed i tailored so that he outspeeds scarfed starmie and stuff, but i never see that anymore, so i may want to take away some speed

dragonite@lum berry
252 atk, not sure about how much speed/defenses i should invest in
adamant
outrage
earthquake
dragon dance
roost

with roost, dragon dance, lum berry, and multiscale, dragonite has tons of chances to set up multiple dd's, and once he does, he kills pretty much anything with his outrage, even many steels if theyve been weakened a bit. i save him for the end after certain threats are eliminated and everyones weakened, then look for the right time to set him up

thats what I have, anyone suggest any changes?
 
well, first of all get rid of the lum berry on ddnite, he has multi-scale, he can survive anything but a super effective blizzard from a kyurem, which you wont be encoutering since this is OU, add leftovers instead, invest 252 speed in dragonite and 4 in hp, also u have no pokemon to get rid of entry hazards, but with this team I don't think it would matter, since the skarmory can easily help with not ever setting up, though watch out for special attackers, and shaymin is uber not OU, if so change shaymin to a whimscott, with its priority it can be a great and amazing stall, here is the moveset:
whimscott: @Leftovers
Timid Nature or Modest
252 Speed - 252 HP
Moves:
1- Leech Seed
2- Substitute
3- Taunt
4- Encore
add more special walls thouh like blissey, or chansey
 
regular shaymin, not sky shaymin, is what I use. this shaymin is actually UU

Dragonite IMO really doesn't need leftovers, as you said it survives anything at full health, and has roost to gain back hp. lum berry, on the other hand, clears confusion from outrage, and allows dragonite to set up on someone trying to status it


yea, i have no spinner, but none really fit onto this team well. I'd like to work it in, but except against dedicated hazard teams, hazards arent much of a problem.

I never liked using blissey, ever since I lost so many times in a row to lucario's who set up on it. its a huge special wall, but does no damage and is set up fodder, not my first choice for a balance team. jellicent, shaymin, and heatran can all take special attacks, especially if i switch between them to get there resistences
 
Dragonman13 said:
regular shaymin, not sky shaymin, is what I use. this shaymin is actually UU

Dragonite IMO really doesn't need leftovers, as you said it survives anything at full health, and has roost to gain back hp. lum berry, on the other hand, clears confusion from outrage, and allows dragonite to set up on someone trying to status it


yea, i have no spinner, but none really fit onto this team well. I'd like to work it in, but except against dedicated hazard teams, hazards arent much of a problem.

I never liked using blissey, ever since I lost so many times in a row to lucario's who set up on it. its a huge special wall, but does no damage and is set up fodder, not my first choice for a balance team. jellicent, shaymin, and heatran can all take special attacks, especially if i switch between them to get there resistences
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Sorry, I thought it was sky shaymin, that thing is as annoying as a serene grace jirachi, and also try using a pokemon that can sweep and survive a hit, maybe gliscor, he could fill in a slot in your team, heatran is a great choice, also switching between pokemon doesn't save you most of the times, I suggest you add whimscott in exchange for shaymin, it a ton better.
 
i'd use whimsicott in stall, i don't think hes the right choice in balance, seeing as he's unable to attack

i'd love gliscor, but where would he go? skarmory's the only one i can think of, but he gets spikes down and shuffles the other team, which gliscor can't do. plus, skarm can deal a good amount of damage with bb
 
Dragonman13 said:
i'd use whimsicott in stall, i don't think hes the right choice in balance, seeing as he's unable to attack

i'd love gliscor, but where would he go? skarmory's the only one i can think of, but he gets spikes down and shuffles the other team, which gliscor can't do. plus, skarm can deal a good amount of damage with bb
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I think that whimscott cant attack, he can leech seed, and then substitute, gliscor is better than skarmory, cause it can deal a ton more damage, and its only a matter of time till skarmory dies, since roar has a negative priority, so he can be easily killed, I suggest getting gliscor, since it can defend and attack, trust me gliscor will help you sweep and defend, here's a set:
Gliscor: @Toxic Orb
Impish Nature
Poison Heal
252 HP - 200 Def - 52 Atk
1- Sword's Dance
2- Ice Fang
3- Earthquake
4- Protect
 
whimsicott also can't switch into much though, and can often die the turn he leech seeds. I'll consider gliscor, but the spikes support is crucial to this team, and I've already got a sweeper anyway
 
Dragonman13 said:
whimsicott also can't switch into much though, and can often die the turn he leech seeds. I'll consider gliscor, but the spikes support is crucial to this team, and I've already got a sweeper anyway
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well, fine, but gliscor is the the only pokemon that can sweep and defend so well.
 
pretty good team, but just add some pictures, it makes it easier to look at

On jellicent go with max hp, max spDef, 4 def impish, its a great mixed wall.
Earth power over hp fire on shaymin
Try this dragonite set:

name: Bulky Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Dragon Claw
move 3: Fire Punch/Brick Break
move 4: Roost
item: Leftovers
ability: Multiscale
nature: Adamant / Jolly
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spe

also, as long as you have rocks on tran, you're fine with replacing skarm for gliscor:

name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Fang / Facade
move 4: Taunt / Protect
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe

gl
 
Hey Dragonman13, this is a cool team but some of your movesets could be improved and obviously you have to decide on an EV spread for both Jellicent and Dragonite. First of all, the prior should be running a Calm (+SDef, -Atk) nature, an EV spread of 248 HP / 176 Def / 84 Spd while also running Taunt in place of Shadow Ball. This allows you to outspeed and cripple Skarmory while preventing you from being hit with deadly status ailments and also stopping the opponent from healing off any damage inflicting to them from your own status inflicting moves. All three of these factors give you an excellent tool for combating the forces of stall.

Now, let's talk about Dragonite. You're obviously aware of his new ability, Multiscale, but you honestly aren't taking full advantage of it. My first suggestion is that you run Dragon Claw over Outrage for several reasons. First of all, this negates the need to use a Lum Berry so you're free to give D-Nite Leftovers which is helpful even with Roost. This set also enjoys the freedom of switching between moves and while the extra power is helpful at times after a few Dragon Dances the difference won't be the end of the world. Use an Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk) nature along with an EV spread of 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spd to maximize bulk while still maintaining power.

My final suggestion is that you run a Life Orb over the Choice Specs on Deoxys-S as same with D-Nite it will enjoy the freedom of changing moves so that it can inflict the most damage. Furthermore, change the moveset to Psycho Boost / Superpower / Hidden Power [Fire] / Shadow Ball. This gives you perfect neutral coverage and you don't have to worry about the loss of T-Bolt or Ice Beam as Psycho Boost will still decimate what they were hitting for "super-effective" damage. Anyways, I hope these changes help you out. Good team and good luck.
 
thanks for the posts guys, especially the EV sets. i like the jellicent suggestion, im gonna try that, since i didn't use shadow ball much anyway.

the gliscor set is good, but I still don't completely fits my team, my team is balance with a dragonite sweep at the end, not multiple sweepers. and I like having the extra risidual damage with spikes, as well as the extra physical bulk with skarm, but maybe I'll try gliscor out.

Lum berry on dragonite isn't only for outrage, its so I can set up on status users. after i get like 2 dragon dances I honestly don't really need to ever change moves, since most pokemon should already be weakened with this team even most steels die. and if I can only get 1 dragon dance I need the extra power with outrage.

I'll test out the deoxys set, thanks
 
also, what speed number should i hit with deo-s? i started out with trying to beat scarf starmie and stuff, but there never around, so should i take away some speed?

edit: never mind this, the EV's were tailored to beat scarfchomp, not scarfstarmie. is scarfchomp seen enough to keep this speed?
 
so thats why i haven't seen many... haha i stopped playing gen 5 around when drizzle/swift swim was banned, and when i looked at the ban list garchomp must've just slipped by without me noticing him there. can deoxys outspeed scarfed max speed muskuteers if he's at max speed?
 
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