OU First Pokemon Team

quttro123

quttro123

Hello Smogon, I am new to competitive and new to Smogon, in fact this is my first post. I would like to get into competitive battling. I understand the basics like Abilities, EVs, and IVs. I made this team have been trying it out on Pokemon Showdown. It has been doing good in the beginning but eventually came into major issues. This team in general has been winning about 65% of the time out of 15 battles which isn't that much practicing with it. My main stars on my team are Greninja and Aggron. Volcarona can be a star but hazards like stealth rocks have been an issue. One main problem is that I need Defog on my team I am willing to switch out a pokemon for it. Also half of my team is weak to Bug and Fighting Types. Also I need help with items, I feel like I don't have enough knowledge on them and changing them around would help. I also feel like I don't know how many EVs to put in some stats sometimes. I know generally you want to put 252 in two stats and then 4 in one, sometimes I feel like I should put some in a fourth stat to make it better, an example would be speed. I feel like Electivire could do more but him having a Choice Band is stopping his true potential. Also I don't feel this is necessary but I a Fairy type move or pokemon on my team could help. Thanks for the help!
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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 172 HP / 168 Def / 168 SDef
Calm Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic
- Confuse Ray
My Umbreon plays a major role on my team in the beginning and middle of a battle. I send him out first to check there first pokemon. He can take hits in an if the pokemon will be a problem I Toxic it and then Confuse Ray it. If team member needs healing I will Wish and switch to it (if its not in danger of fainting). One problem is if the opponent puts Stealth Rocks I am forced to switch in use Wish to switch in my Volcarona which is an issue. I know my Umbreon has a cheap setup but I am still learning the ropes.

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Volcarona @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Mild Nature
- Bug Buzz
- Quiver Dance
- Wild Charge
- Flamethrower
My Volcarona can take out a few pokemon if hazards aren't setup. The hazards force me to Wish then switch to Volcarona which feels like a waste of turns. Its Wild Charge stops most water types and Quiver Dance is what I usually do first unless the Pokemon is a current threat, like if it had time to setup.

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Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Iron Head
- Aqua Tail
Aggron can take many hits which and do damage which is what I love about it. Its steel type makes it a major threat to Fairy. It can different varied moves can take out different pokemon like flying types with Stone Edge or fire types with an Aqua Tail. The problem is that this is one of the 3 pokemon on my team that is weak to Fighting.

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Leafeon @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Aerial Ace
- X-Scissor
- Leaf Blade
Leafeon can put damage in and sometimes take out some a pokemon before fainting. I rarely use grass types which is one problem I noticed since the my first pokemon game (Crystal). So I run Leafeon and its X-Scissor can take out grass types that is putting my team to sleep and one Swords Dance can put in alot of damage. Some situations I noticed is that if I am forced to Leafeon will be sent out as a sacrafice to avoid a hazardous move that will lose a member I currently need to keep alive.

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Greninja @ Mystic Water
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
- Surf
- Night Slash
- Ice Beam
- Aerial Ace
Greninja is fast which out speeds my opponents and Protean lets me change my type for a STAB move and avoiding a super effective move the opponent may sometimes have. It can put in real work but It is one of the 3 pokemon on my team that is weak to Bug. I use this pokemon to take out threats like Garchomp with its protean STAB Ice Beam.

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Electivire @ Choice Band
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop
- Ice Punch
- ThunderPunch
Electivire is fast enough and attack heavy to do serious damage. One issue the opponent will switch and since I have a Choice Band I will be forced to switch out as the move isn't efficient for the situation or will result fainting my Electivire which could be completely avoided. I also switch in to Electivire when I predict an electric move or type pokemon as motor drive would kick in making it a bigger threat than it already was.

Thanks for reading! I want to improve my team so any feedback will help. Some main issues are I need Defog, and need help with items.
 
Yeah, like you said, you need Defog support or Rapid Spin if you are going to run Volcarona. I would recommend replacing Leafeon with Mandibuzz. Mandibuzz has defog, but he also has the move Knock Off, which has received a huge buff this gen. But Mandibuzz is kinda weak to stealth rock too. But his defense is huge. You could also run Scizor, who can learn both Knock off and Defog. However, these are both tutor moves for Scizor in Black or White 2. They can only be transferred over.
 
Electivire is dead weight. Especially with Choice Band. Unless you have top notch predictions (with you being a rookie, doubtful) 4 times out of 5 youre stuck on a useless move as they switch to the appropriate counter. Donphan is a good fighting move soak up, can set up stealth rocks (which you are lacking), can eq as well, rapid spin, is faster than vire, and can ROAR. You are missing a phazer/taunter. You my friend, are set up bait as you stand.
 
Tagteam said:
Yeah, like you said, you need Defog support or Rapid Spin if you are going to run Volcarona. I would recommend replacing Leafeon with Mandibuzz. Mandibuzz has defog, but he also has the move Knock Off, which has received a huge buff this gen. But Mandibuzz is kinda weak to stealth rock too. But his defense is huge. You could also run Scizor, who can learn both Knock off and Defog. However, these are both tutor moves for Scizor in Black or White 2. They can only be transferred over.
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Transferring will not be an issue and I like the idea of Scizor I always loved it. Mandibuzz is also a good idea as it will be immune to earthquake and but stealth rocks will be an issue. I'll probably go with Scizor and I can equip a HP Grass so Pokemon like Quagsire won't be an issue. Thanks for the help.
 
P0k3mon said:
Electivire is dead weight. Especially with Choice Band. Unless you have top notch predictions (with you being a rookie, doubtful) 4 times out of 5 youre stuck on a useless move as they switch to the appropriate counter. Donphan is a good fighting move soak up, can set up stealth rocks (which you are lacking), can eq as well, rapid spin, is faster than vire, and can ROAR. You are missing a phazer/taunter. You my friend, are set up bait as you stand.
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Do you recommend getting rid of the choice band or Electivire completely. I liked the idea of switching out Leafeon that Tagteam recommended. I can get rid of confuse ray and put taunt, as I feel toxic does enough by limiting the opponents turns left. This will help with trick room teams and setting up in general. Thanks for the help!
 
Electivire is unfortunately not very good. If you must keep him, LO keeps him viable with a speed nature. Otherwise you will be a lot slower than most things you go to check. Don't worry about the recoil from Life Orb as that's why you have Umbreon and his wish. I would forego him altogether though. If you want a 'lectric type, I suggest Zapdos. Defog, great tank, can roost, can even ww if you want good utility and has fighting resistance. It is x1 stealth rock weak but his bulk doesnt mind really.
Taunt is a FANTASTIC move. Especially for a lead. Unfortunately, you being an Umbreon and slower than, well anything, means you are taunted first. EVERYONE expects a status move from Umbreon first move, so everyone will taunt you first and shut you down.

Also, why aerial ace on Greninja? His physical pool is SOOOO nice, if you really want to run an attacking move for wall breaking, I have many better options for you. Just say the word.+
 
P0k3mon said:
Electivire is unfortunately not very good. If you must keep him, LO keeps him viable with a speed nature. Otherwise you will be a lot slower than most things you go to check. Don't worry about the recoil from Life Orb as that's why you have Umbreon and his wish. I would forego him altogether though. If you want a 'lectric type, I suggest Zapdos. Defog, great tank, can roost, can even ww if you want good utility and has fighting resistance. It is x1 stealth rock weak but his bulk doesnt mind really.
Taunt is a FANTASTIC move. Especially for a lead. Unfortunately, you being an Umbreon and slower than, well anything, means you are taunted first. EVERYONE expects a status move from Umbreon first move, so everyone will taunt you first and shut you down.

Also, why aerial ace on Greninja? His physical pool is SOOOO nice, if you really want to run an attacking move for wall breaking, I have many better options for you. Just say the word.+
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Zapdos wouldn't be a bad choice that explains why I see a decent amount on Showdown. I see the issue with Umbreon especially since it doesn't have any attacking moves. As for greninja I put it there to counter fighting types but protean fixes that issue (BTW if I use surf will I still be water-dark or will protean make me pure water type). So should I replace surf with waterfall STAB physical? And I would like to know some good moves for greninja. I joined here expecting changes. Thanks your helping a lot.
 
I run a water mono and a decent OU team as well that both utilize Greninja. He's an outstanding mon. Now, my Greninjas are special. I use pure physical.
Allow me to clarify:

Adamant
Life Orb
with Max Atk and Spe EVs the remainder in HP.
-Power Up Punch
-Shadow Sneak
-Night Slash
-Water Shuriken


All physical moves. Your opponent usually expects special so switches in a special wall (blissey, miltank, lickilicky, Lati@s, whatever).

You let er rip with Power Up Punch usually as its safe and allows you to boost your attack (as you gain experience with your awesome Greninja, you eventually learn to predict what they will switch in with their teams, do NOT be afraid to get risky and try prediction, or you will never be courageous enough, predict anytime you feel the time is right, nothing feels better than a good prediction from a different set for instance, Night Slash on Lati@s predict, Starmie, Jellicent, Dusclops. Power Up Punch on a Heatran, Tyranitar, other Greninja) The other two moves, Shadow Sneak and Water Shuriken are AWESOME on their own right. To start, they are both priority. Shadow Sneak is used defensively. As you FURTHER master prediction, your opponent sees you used Night Slash and assumes you are dark now, goes for Mach Punch with Conkeldur. You use Shadow Sneak and are immune. They go for a powerful return with Stoutland. You use Shadow Sneak and are immune. Water Shuriken is not only priority, but also multi hit. After 1 Power Up Punch, you destroy a lot with Water Shuriken and take out subs np. Greninja's speed should be left with full EV investment to maximize what you can revenge kill. Learn Speed Tiers. It will save your (Pokemon's) life.

Yes, if you go water or dark for first move, you stay dual typed.
 
P0k3mon said:
I run a water mono and a decent OU team as well that both utilize Greninja. He's an outstanding mon. Now, my Greninjas are special. I use pure physical.
Allow me to clarify:

Adamant
Life Orb
with Max Atk and Spe EVs the remainder in HP.
-Power Up Punch
-Shadow Sneak
-Night Slash
-Water Shuriken


All physical moves. Your opponent usually expects special so switches in a special wall (blissey, miltank, lickilicky, Lati@s, whatever).

You let er rip with Power Up Punch usually as its safe and allows you to boost your attack (as you gain experience with your awesome Greninja, you eventually learn to predict what they will switch in with their teams, do NOT be afraid to get risky and try prediction, or you will never be courageous enough, predict anytime you feel the time is right, nothing feels better than a good prediction from a different set for instance, Night Slash on Lati@s predict, Starmie, Jellicent, Dusclops. Power Up Punch on a Heatran, Tyranitar, other Greninja) The other two moves, Shadow Sneak and Water Shuriken are AWESOME on their own right. To start, they are both priority. Shadow Sneak is used defensively. As you FURTHER master prediction, your opponent sees you used Night Slash and assumes you are dark now, goes for Mach Punch with Conkeldur. You use Shadow Sneak and are immune. They go for a powerful return with Stoutland. You use Shadow Sneak and are immune. Water Shuriken is not only priority, but also multi hit. After 1 Power Up Punch, you destroy a lot with Water Shuriken and take out subs np. Greninja's speed should be left with full EV investment to maximize what you can revenge kill. Learn Speed Tiers. It will save your (Pokemon's) life.

Yes, if you go water or dark for first move, you stay dual typed.
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Wow i never really looked into his physical side. This an amazing greninja as I always expect a sp. attacker from a greninja. Just goes to show you I have a lot to learn. Thanks for answering my question on this it helped a lot. I was looking at your team thread and that sigilyph is scary. I tried random battles a lot and I got a sigilyph like that and it sweeped a team (it was random battles but besides the point). I would help your team but I can't as I am struggling to make a team of my own that your helping with. Lol
 
I always welcome criticism. You may help in ways you didn't imagine. Worst case scenario: Suggestions thrown by you to me that I don't follow will be bounced with the proper reason why I don't run that option. This forces me to think of what things other people may see but I may not in my narrow scope. It's a community thing. We help each other in any miniscule way.

If you have any more questions about your team, anything you're mulling over, I am an open book.
 
P0k3mon said:
I always welcome criticism. You may help in ways you didn't imagine. Worst case scenario: Suggestions thrown by you to me that I don't follow will be bounced with the proper reason why I don't run that option. This forces me to think of what things other people may see but I may not in my narrow scope. It's a community thing. We help each other in any miniscule way.

If you have any more questions about your team, anything you're mulling over, I am an open book.
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Sorry, I know it's a community but I feel bad asking without helping in return. So I will replace Electivire with Zapdos. I know legendaries are allowed but is it really okay using it. I don't know I always caught legendaries but I never used them as I find them cheap or unfair (yet I'm using an Umbreon with an annoying setup, ignore what i said). Now for Donphan, Rapid Spin and Stealth Rocks will be a great idea but should I replace Leafeon? He's not a crucial member. And I did like the idea of putting in Scizor which can carry defog but the ability to put hazards will be gone (I'll probably make another team with Scizor as there are so many options). Thanks.
 
There is an official Banlist for every tier that can be located on the home page of this site. The majority of users play OU as that allows the most pokes while keeping it relatively fair. Uber is ANYTHING goes, any pokemon, any moves.
There are certain things that are not allowed for good reason in all modes, sleep clause means only one of your opponents can be asleep at a time, to stop you winning via Spore/Dark Void spam lol, no evasion boosts like double team or minimize as it quickly becomes irksome, bright powder and sand veil are also banned all the way up to Ubers, where it's allowed there.
Any pokemon that is under a tier, is allowed in the tiers above. For example, Exxegutor is I believe RU (Rarely Used) meaning he can be in UU, OU and even Ubers if youd like but NOT in NU (Never Used). Check the Uber Banlist. Since you are posting in OU, that means you are probably running an OU team, indeed, without Volcarona, Greninja and Mega Aggron, you may have an UU team where things are considerably easier. So anything not mentioned in the Uber Banlist, is free game my friend. That means all legendary dogs, birds, genies, deer, Mew, Celebi and even Jirachi!

Have fun building!
 
quttro123 said:
Sorry, I know it's a community but I feel bad asking without helping in return. So I will replace Electivire with Zapdos. I know legendaries are allowed but is it really okay using it. I don't know I always caught legendaries but I never used them as I find them cheap or unfair (yet I'm using an Umbreon with an annoying setup, ignore what i said). Now for Donphan, Rapid Spin and Stealth Rocks will be a great idea but should I replace Leafeon? He's not a crucial member. And I did like the idea of putting in Scizor which can carry defog but the ability to put hazards will be gone (I'll probably make another team with Scizor as there are so many options). Thanks.
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As far as Leafeon is concerned, it depends on his role. You need to start from scratch and objectively look at your team. What walls it? What do you have for common switches? What are you overly weak to? Do you have enough special attacks? Are you cripplingly weak to hazards? If so, can you rid yourself of hazards reliably prefereably with two pokemon even depending on the severity of your weakness to rocks? What about cleric support for heal bell, wish. *note Clerics are a luxury, not needed.
Things of that nature.
You may answer a lot of your own questions when you ask yourself.
 
P0k3mon said:
As far as Leafeon is concerned, it depends on his role. You need to start from scratch and objectively look at your team. What walls it? What do you have for common switches? What are you overly weak to? Do you have enough special attacks? Are you cripplingly weak to hazards? If so, can you rid yourself of hazards reliably prefereably with two pokemon even depending on the severity of your weakness to rocks? What about cleric support for heal bell, wish. *note Clerics are a luxury, not needed.
Things of that nature.
You may answer a lot of your own questions when you ask yourself.
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Thanks you've been a big help to me. I will look into my team more to see what else can be improved. I'm going to sleep as I have school in about 6 hrs, not the smartest thing to do, who knew pokemon could have so many possibilities or even be so fun building a team!
 
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