OU Menace Team

[Fall]

Hi there. This team is centered around a Latias or Heatran sweep. I have problems with bulky Waters and Gliscor. This team is immune to Toxic Spikes, and has only one SR weakness. Spikes are an issue, but not enough of one to make me want to get a spinner. Here it is:

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Jirachi @ Lum Berry/Leftovers
Jolly - Serene Grace
80 HP/252 Atk/176 Spe
-Thunder Wave
-Iron Head
-Stealth Rock
-U-Turn

This Jirachi has the same EVs as the scarf lead, but plays really differently. On turn one, people expect a Trick, so they switch to their scarfer, usually a Latias or a Magnezone. They get hit with a T-Wave, and then I'm free to set up SR and U-Turn to a counter. Gliscor and Swampert leads are a problem, but I usually SR then U-Turn to Latias for Gliscor and Azelf for Swampy. Paralysis and flinch work extremely well together, because the paralysis essentially gives me the same amount of speed as a scarf, and I don't know what the percentage is, but my opponent barely gets to attack. Later in the game, I can provide paralysis support or a semi-decent tank for Dragon type attacks. Lum Berry helps me win everytime against Roserade leads, but Leftovers are useful later in the game. I can't pick which one. But overall a great lead, and a solid Pokemon.


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Gyrados @ Leftovers
Adamant - Intimidate
150 HP/108 Atk/100 Def/150 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Taunt

This is a really new set, which I like to call BulkyGyara. You probably have never seen anything quite like this. (lol) Anyway, the EVs make it extra bulky with Intimidate, and the moveset is pretty standard. Waterfall is a great STAB attack, and the flinching helps when my speed gets really high. Taunt is amazing, helping me to complete shut down Suicune, which is a huge threat to my team. Stone Edge gives me a nice check to other Gyarados and Salamence/Dragonite. This isn't one of my designated sweepers, but I find it running easily through teams nonetheless. It's a huge asset to my team because of it's resistances to Fire, Fighting, and Ground. It's also my only SR weak Pokemon. Agiligross was in this spot, but it seemed less useful than my other two steels, so Gyarados was chosen.


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Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Adamant - Inner Focus
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
-Close Combat
-Crunch
-Ice Punch
-Thunderpunch Lucario is a fantastic revenge killer and cleaner in OU. Close Combat is a strong STAB move, maiming Blissey and T-tar (duh), Crunch hurts Rotom, Gengar, Latias, Celebi, and Dusknoir, while Ice Punch and Thunderpunch are used to revenge kill Gyarados and Salamence. The best part about this set is surprise value. It can outspeed and OHKO all Gliscor with Ice Punch, making it a great addition to my team. The only thing I would change about him is his nature: Adamant to Jolly. But usually, Jirachi provides enough paralysis support to help out with the speed issues. 350 Attack and 418 speed is very dangerous, especially with Lucario's movepool.

changed to Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant - Inner Focus
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
-Close Combat
-Crunch
-Swords Dance
-Extremespeed

Since Latias took over revenge killing, Lucario is now free to use the set we all know and love, Swords Dance. Lucario's a fantastic asset to the team, sweeping very easily when Jirachi's done paralyzing things.

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Latias @ Life Orb
Timid - Levitate
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Recover

Latias has great synergy with Heatran and Lucario; they cover each other's weaknesses perfectly. She's a great Gyarados check, as he can't really do anything to her and she can OHKO with Thunderbolt. Dragon Pulse is a reliable STAB move, and Surf is for Tyranitar, Heatran, and Infernape. Recover gives me the upper hand with Sandstorm and LO recoil, letting me dish out more pain before I'm taken out.

changed to Latias @ Choice Scarf
Timid - Levitate
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Trick

Latias' speed after scarf is a bit stupid... 525 outruns almost the entire tier, revenge killing and still maintaining enough bulk to take a few hits. A much better revenge killer than Lucario was.

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Azelf @ Life Orb
Naive - Levitate
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Nasty Plot
-Flamethrower
-Grass Knot
-Explosion

Weakest link, tbh. I use him as a quick Blissey/Swampert/Metagross killer. I'm STRONGLY considering replacing him with Naive MixApe: HP Ice/Grass Knot/Flamethrower/Close Combat because Azelf's not really preforming well.

changed to Gliscor @ Leftovers
Jolly - Sand Veil
252 Hp/36 Def/220 Spe
-Earthquake
-Taunt
-Roost
-Toxic

Gliscor provides another Lucario counter alongside Gyarados, and almost eliminates the threat of stall to my team. He can also absorb Electric attacks coming in on Gyarados.


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Heatran @ Leftovers
Timid - Flash Fire
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Lava Plume
-Earth Power


Sub Heatran is a major annoyance for many teams, because of his ability and the fact that nothing really switches in unscathed. I Toxic bulky waters, Lava Plume those Rotoms, and EP incoming Heatrans. I chose Lava Plume over Fire Blast because I get frustrated with misses, and Lava Plume's 30% burn chance is better than Flamethrower's 10%. Heatran has good synergy with Gyarados and Latias, but sometimes loses to Rotom T-bolts.

changed to Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive - Blaze
64 Atk/252 SpA/192 Spe
-HP Ice
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Grass Knot

Infernape is a better coverage sweeper and wall breaker that my team desperately needed. It fares much better than Heatran against Waters and Dragons.

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Anyway, that's the team. Thanks for reading, and hopefully thanks for rating!

 

[Taang]

Hey,

Solid team but I think I can make a few suggestions. Firstly I suggest you change your current Lucario set to the standard Swords Dance sweeper with Swords Dance/ Close Combat/ Extreme Speed/ Crunch. This will give you another deadly sweeper alongside Gyarados that is one of the best OU has to offer. Lucario is a fantastic Pokemon, but a Choice Scarf set seems kind of redundant to me because of a few reasons. Lucario causes a lot of switches, allowing you to get up to the +2 mark which you then don't have to "predict" but can simply choose the appropriate move (usually KOing the opponents.) When you have a Choice Scarf a lot of the revenge killing aspect is taking away from him and is pretty much useless, other than opposing Gyarados, Salamence and Gliscor which occasionally you can net a surprise kill, it's not really needed. Gyarados is perfectly suited to usually counter the standard Gliscor nowadays which will give you opportunities to sweep.

If you do decide one going for Swords Dance Lucario then I suggest you changing Latias to the standard Scarfer with Surf/ Draco Meteor/ Trick/ Thunderbolt or Hidden Power {Fire.} This will give you a much better revenge killer that can still revenge Gyarados, Salamence, Gliscor, aswell as the giving ability to take out other walls and bulky waters. If you wanted a sweeper Latias though, you could opt for a Calm Mind version.

This team seems to have problems with Electric Types, with Latias being the only resist and being around for so long. Azelf seems to be the obvious weak link on this team so I recommend you changing him to a Gliscor. If you do change Lucario and Latias you will have a fairly big Lucario weakness and one of the best counters in the game would be Gliscor. This will allow you to counter Lucario and Electric types very well as well as a stall-breaker. Gliscor will also help you draw in Ice type attacks that can be set up bait for Luke.

Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Sand Veil
252 HP / 36 Def / 220 Spe
Jolly (+Spe -SpA)
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Roost
- Earthquake

Good Luck with the team!

 

[Huntofthelion]

Hi, nice team. You look a little weak to DD Mence and DD Gyarados though, so I'd suggest going with Scarf Flygon over Scarf Lucario. This allows you to beat DD Gyarados and at worst speed tie DD Salamence. Flygon is also able to function as a scout, and he isn't able to be trapped by Pursuit or Magnezone. Flygon even adds an electric immunity, which your team would really appropriate.

Flygon @Choice Scarf
Jolly; 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Earthquake / U turn / ThunderPunch / Dragon Claw

This set is pretty specialized to do what it's meant to do, Scout and Revenge Kill. It is kind of lacking in power, but it's coverage allows it to finish off many common set up sweepers, such as Gyarados, Salamence, and Latias. U turn allows it to function in the mid game by gaining knowledge of your opponents team and simultaneously wearing them down through SR + U turn + being forced out and repeating the process. You also get a resistance to SR, two immunities on common attacks, and decent resistances to attacks such as Fire / Rock which let Flygon get in very easily.

Next, as Taang mentioned, you're opened up to Lucario without your own being scarfed. To fix that, I'd suggest defensive Celebi. Celebi will act as a check to Lucario should it be packing Stone Edge or ThunderPunch, if it is without those Gyarados can handle it with ease. Celebi will also act as a back up to opposing Gyarados, so that you can have a reliable switch in to it. Celebi can also spread paralysis around to make it easier for Gyarados to sweep as he won't be getting revenged by Fast Scarfers.

Celebi @Leftovers
Bold; 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Hidden Power [Fire] / Grass Knot / ThunderWave / Recover

Defensive Celebi is pretty easy to use, and very annoying to kill. If one of your coverage moves are unable to take out the threat, simply paralyze it and switch out to something that can. Recover allows you to maintain survivability, and Grass Knot and Hidden Power [Fire] let you deal out some damage.

Lastly, I think Heatran could use a slight change. I would suggest Fire Blast over Lava Plume. If you're using toxic, you're going to have a hard time burning things, since if it resists Toxic it's probably easier to just kill it.

Hope I helped, Good Luck!

 

[Itsuki]

Hello Fall, seems like your team has a lot of potential however there are quite a few weaknesses I'd like to fix as stated by other posters before me. First of all you have a rather huge weakness to Dragon Dance Salamence as well as Dragon Dance Gyarados. As they can often set up on a Lucario and Heatran to an extent then proceed to attack accordingle. To fix this I think that changing your Latias into a Choice Scarf revenge killer would do just fine.

Latias @ Choice Scarf | Levitate
Timid | 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Draco Meteor / Thunderbolt / Surf / Trick

With the addition of Choice Scarf it gives Latias the ability to revenge kill quite a few threats namely Salamence, Gyarados, and Kingdra who can be quite a pain to take down once they get a Dragon Dance. Your able to outspeed +1 Salamence and Kingdra as well as +2 Adamant Gyarados so its quite fast.

With that said Lucario can run a simple Swords Dance set consisting of Close Combat / Crunch / Extremespeed / Sword Dance with the EVs of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe. Lucario can often soften up an opposing team for a Gyarados sweep and vice versa. Getting a Swords Dance is rather easy. With Trick in Latias's arsenal it can help lock any users that carry a super effective attack towards Latias and help Lucario switch in and get the +2.

Leftovers also seems like the best option on Jirachi as with Iron Head's flinch rate your able to take on Roserade and Smeargle 60% of the time as well as rack up healing as your opponent cannot attack. Also if you do decide to use Latias this opens you up to Lucario to an extent so I suggest using Fire Punch on Jirachi for coverage. Lucario can set up on It works rather well at revenge killing Lucario as well as Scizor. I feel that this is not enough, so utilizing a Gliscor over Azelf seems like the most practical option. Heatran seems to support the team well by weakening bulky waters with Toxic helping take down defensive threats such as Vaporeon much easier.

Gliscor @ Leftovers | Sand Veil
Jolly | 252 HP / 36 Def / 220 Spe
Earthquake / Taunt / Toxic / Roost

With the addition of Gliscor it helps with your Lucario weakness. It can also help against the 280 Speed versions of Rotom to an extent as it can counter Gyarados and Lucario as well as Hippowdon, Skarmory, and many physical walls turning them into set up fodder for Lucario and Gyarados.

Hope I helped!

 

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