OU Quickstall

[TubaPride]

Hey there Smogon! Nobody here knows who I am, but that’s ok. I usually hover around the forums picking up bits of info here and there, and occasionally making a comment. Recently I’ve been looking up Ubers quickstall teams and decided to make my own version in OU. It’s really more like something in between bulky offence and full on stall, for you who don’t know what it is. Anyways, none of these ‘mons are on my team for sure so any comments or changes are appreciated. I won’t bore you with the building process because it took a while so here’s my take on:

OU Quickstall​

@ Focus Sash
Jolly Nature (+spe,-spA)
4hp/252att/252spe
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Zen Headbutt

I know that there is no dedicated lead spot (which saddens me) but this guy always leads. His main goal is to set up the rocks and anything after that is bonus. The moveset is standard but since explosion got nerfed it no longer can use that so STAB Zen Headbutt was put in its place and it’s actually useful because of the fighting heavy metagame. I’m not sold on this lead so if someone wants to suggest someone better I’d be happy to try it out.
Synergy
Dark and Ghost- Heatran or Gliscor (depending)

@ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal Adamant Nature (+att,-spA)
12hp/252att/244spe
- Spore
- Substitute
- Seed Bomb
- Focus Punch

Yes, Breloom got Technician, but this is his bread-and-butter set, and because it is less used it does wonders in this metagame. My favorite set up target is Nattorei, who tends to switch out so I can set up a sub and wreck havoc with spore and focus punch. I’m kinda iffy about the EV spread. I wish it was more bulky as the speed isn’t really doing it anything. This guy is the most flexible on the team. I’ve been thinking about Erufuun or maybe a Latias with something like Recover/Calm Mind/Dragon Pulse/Refresh or HP Fire. Please tell me what you think

Synergy
Fire- Heatran
Ice- Heatran
Psychic- Heatran
Flying- Gliscor
Poison- Heatran

@ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal Impish Nature (+def,-spA)
252hp/184def/72spe
- Fling
- Earthquake
- Acrobat
- Taunt

Poison Heal was the best thing that ever happened to Gliscor. The only thing different about this set than standard is Taunt over protect. This helps me deal with opposing stall teams and I really don’t find it that necessary. Other than that pretty standard but it does its job well.

Synergy
Water- Gyarados or Breloom
Ice- Heatran

@ Leftovers
Intimidate Impish Nature (+def,-spA)
248hp/252def/8spD
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Waterfall
- Dragon Tail

Nobody expects a Gyarados, let alone a SleepTalk one. It is surprisingly bulky with intimidate and can take many unSTABed Stone Edges. It also has great synergy with Heatran with makes it the first part of my core. There’s nothing really I’d like to change except sometimes I wish I had Roar over Dragon Tail to help with ‘mons behind subs because my team tends to struggle with that.

Synergy
Electric- Heatran or Gliscor
Rock- Heatran or Gliscor

@ Leftovers
Flash Fire Modest Nature (+spA,-att)
252hp/52spA/204spD
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power

The second part of my defensive core, Specially Defensive Heatran. He takes rock and electric attacks aimed at Gyarados, who, in-turn, takes ground, water, and (weak) fighting attacks aimed at Tran. Even with only 52 spA EVs, he still hit very hard to keep up the offensive pressure. All-in-all the star of my team. The only change I’d be willing to change is Flamethrower for Lava Plume, and you’d need to provide a good reason to do so. On a side note, Tran is really ugly.

Synergy
Water- Gyarados or Breloom
Ground- Gyarados or Azelf
Fighting- Gliscor

@ Choice Band
Huge Power Adamant Nature (+att,-spA)
252hp/252att/4spD
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
- Superpower

Because of the abundance of rock and fire mons currently, CB Azumarill makes a great revenge killer. The selling point of this set is the STAB Aqua Jet backed by Huge Power and CB. If PO calculates this right he has 654 attack. Superpower is for Nattorei who likes to switch in and Ice Punch is to get rid of those pesky dragons.

Synergy
Grass- Heatran, Breloom, or Gyarados
Electric- Heatran or Gliscor

A quick threat list
LO Starmie is tough to handle as he has a SE attack against everyone of my team members. Zapdos with Heatwave is similar but not as difficult as Tran handles it pretty well.
Psychics are the toughest to handle, in particular Rankurusu. Calm Mind, Recover, Trick Room, and Magic Guard are all very problematic. It can’t hit Gyarados too hard if it hasn’t Calm Minded too much and it can be revenged by Azumarill.
Hopefully I’ll get to update this some more latter.

In closing, I’d really appreciate any rates that you could give (team or how to play with it), because if this team was perfect I wouldn’t post it. Thanks and happy rating!

 

[TubaPride]

Reserved for a more indepth threat list.

 

[bubbly]

Hi, I don't have any time at all for a full rate, sorry :( I just wanted to point out this isn't quickstall. More balanced.

 

[1Eevee1]

Well, you asked me for my input on it after our battle on PO so I dusted off the old account on here.

I can only really judge it by DW OU, of course.

Azelf, well, it didn't really do much in our battle. Granted, I wasn't planning on leading with Natty, but I misclicked. I'd anticipated the taunt and decided to just swat the thing, so all it really did was set up rocks.

Breloom... well, I've faced Technician Breloom, which this one wasn't. I'm not exactly a fan of going up against one. Seed Bomb seemed fairly ineffective and I was able to swat it with Roo's Mach Punch. I'd rather not face Tech Breloom though, but eh, my team's mostly just thrown together.

Gliscor, can't really say, since it didn't really last long enough.

Gyarados gave me a bit of interest and headache, since you were able to think ahead of me, that and Dragon Tail didn't bring out what I wanted it to.

Heatran seemed to be the star of the show, although Pringles effectively walled it. It didn't really get a chance to show what it could properly do.

Azumarill didn't really get a chance to put up a fight either, sorry to say. I wasn't expecting to see it.

Not really much help in rating it, tbh, but it's an interesting team. Daresay some of the others around could be of more help giving it a proper looking over, though.

 

[Judas DN]

Hi TubaPride

I've got your PM and i gladly take your request to give this team a rate. I do have one question however, why play dreamworld if all the pokemon you have can be used in standard?

Your sentiment which claims that Azelf hasn't been performing well didn't surprise me. Indeed Azelf isn't as usefull as it used to be and certainly not on a team that focuses on bulky offense or stall. This is why i suggest to use a different lead that suits the playstyle of this team a lot more. Perhaps this set below could work?

Tyranitar@Leftovers
252HP / 160Atk / 96 SpD
Sassy nature
Flamethrower
Crunch
Pursuit
Stealth Rock

Looks a bit like Iconic's set but with a twist, it lacks Ice beam but can trap Psychics like Starmie and Rankurusu with prediction. I didn't felt that Ice beam was necessary for your team considering you already have 2 counters to Gliscor, as such in this case Atk Ev's are a much more usefull investment. This lead sets up SR, brings some considerable bulk on the table and all it's weaknesses are very well covered by the other members of your team. Which is why i think this T-tar set would make an excellent addition to your team.

You're quite right about Breloom's ev spread, there are very few reasons left why one would consider running max speed on Breloom. That is why i'd suggest to remove all Speed ev's and invest them into HP. Breloom's Grass/Fighting typing grants it a very rare resistance to the common Rock/Ground combination, making a bulky breloom a very usefull member of the team.

The reason why the Gliscor analyse lists 72 Spe ev's is for outspeeding Tyranitar. However most people running Ice Beam on T-tar are running Iconic's which has no Speed investment at all, so they are somewhat wasted. Also outspeeding opposing Gliscors isn't really necessary as you have 2 Gliscor counters in your team. That's why i suggest to maximize Gliscor's defences to emphaze on Gliscor's role as an absorber of Physical hits.

My sincere apologises for making a suggestion for Heatran, however i do think Toxic might be considerably more useful than Earthpower on Heatran. When reading through the list of most common fire resists i don't see many uses for Earthpower to be honest. Opposing Heatran are faster and often carry balloon, Burn from repeated Lava Plumes will hurt T-tar much more, most bulky waters/Dragons aren't hurt by Earthpower at all, Ninetales can't hurt you and Blaziken is too fast. Toxic however has always been surprisingly good on bulky Heatrans seeing as Flamethrower will keep most steels at bay while luring in bulky waters who despise being poisoned.

I used to run a Resttalk Gyarados as well and i have to say that Roar is still the superior option. The dragon tail set really tends to lure in Substitute users who want to set up, not to mention that Dragon Tail's can miss sometimes which can be devastating if you need to phaze away a dangerous set up sweeper. Also Dragon Tail's immunity to taunt is kind of worthless if you're using it with Sleeptalk.. To be honest i don't consider the pitifull damage Dragon Tail does to be worth all the disadvantages it brings.

Last but not least Azumaril. I'd recommend running a 128HP /252Atk / 128 Spe spread instead. On a pokemon that has a higher HP stat than defenses a loss in HP investment won't affect it's bulkiness a lot. The reason why i consider running this amount of speed is to outspeed a lot of random things that tend to come in once Azumaril has been weakened to finish it off, most notably Scizor and Tyranitar.(I remember when i used Azumaril i got revenge killed a few times by a Blissey, which is very annoying lol)

That's all i have to say for now, if you have any more questions don't hesitate to leave me a VM.

Good Luck!

 

[gengduck]

I don't understand. Where is the stall?
I don't know about having 2 rest sleep talkers.
if You like rest so much you can always throw in a heal bell person.

 

[His Eminence Lord Poppington II]

It's DW because poison heal gliscor is DW I believe. It's not quickstall, it is, indeed, more balance with an emphasis on defense. However, it is rather pointless as resttalk gyara only has a place on stall teams. Quickstall should definitely have some mischievous heart users, so I recommend having either a leechseed erufuun or a perish trapper murkrow.

You can also try leech seed breloom, bulky with almost max hp and max defense, the specific EVs are listed on the 4th gen smogon analysis, it's especially potent now that celebi usage has dropped, and focus punch takes care of most other grass pokemon, although reuniclus will still shit all over it.

I recommend a bulky tyranitar lead with enough special defense and hp to survive unboosted focus blasts from things like gengar and politoed. It should pack Ice beam / Flamethrower / Stealth Rock / Crunch or Stone Edge (the weather is useful for stall teams).

You need a secondary hazard layer, at the moment nattorei, or ferrothorn as he is now known is the best choice.

Gliscor and Heatran pretty much check the same things, fighting stuff primarily, but gliscor has more utility because it is immune to status and has an immunity to electric.

So ferrothorn can probably replace gyara. It also solves your LO starmie problem, unless HP fire starmie starts seeing some usage, otherwise ferrothorn owns it.

I recommend a set of leech seed / protect / spikes / power whip. Protect to scout for fire / fighting / choiced moves, and stall for leech seed recovery.

Quickstall won't phaze so much as force switches through the use of leechseed and unfavourable matches, so try and capitalize on that.

Heatran is a decent addition, but I reckon you might as well give it roar over earthpower so you have at least one dedicated phazer after the removal of gyara.

 

[TubaPride]

Tyranitar@Leftovers
252HP / 160Atk / 96 SpD
Sassy nature
Flamethrower
Crunch
Pursuit
Stealth Rock

Great set, way more utility than Azelf and helps with my slight rain weakness. (But then again who doesn't have a rain weakness...)

My sincere apologises for making a suggestion for Heatran, however i do think Toxic might be considerably more useful than Earthpower on Heatran.

It's ok and thats a good idea saying Tran has a problem with heavier stallers (Blissey, Vap) and that will help. The oly problem I have is that now he has double status and he might burn something I want to toxic. Oh well, its better than Earthpower.

As for Gyarados and Azumaril, yes Roar is over Dragon Tail and that spread is better (outspeeding Blissey is a huge plus!)

You need a secondary hazard layer, at the moment nattorei, or ferrothorn as he is now known is the best choice.

Why?

Gliscor and Heatran pretty much check the same things...

I'm just going to ignore that....

Heatran is a decent addition, but I reckon you might as well give it roar over earthpower so you have at least one dedicated phazer after the removal of gyara.

He well be getting toxic as it has more use and I have been thinking about a Calm Mind Latias or Bulky Wish Mence over Gyarados. Advice as been great more please!

 

[His Eminence Lord Poppington II]

Sorry, I meant to stay Gliscor and GYARADOS check the same things. Also, you need a secondary hazard layer if you want to call it stall at all, or at least weather or leech seed abusers. Sorry for the horrific 'gliscor checks the same things as heatran', that's fucking awful of me.