OU Team: First Timer

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A look at the Team:
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*Feel free to change anything on the team, even species of pokemon.*​
Breaking it Down:
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Gengar @ Expert Belt
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hypnosis​
Gengar is my Anti-Lead. Her great type coverage, and raw power boosted by her Expert Belt, go perfect with her speed. She can take down most enemies that OU throws at her. I send out Gengar first, usually taking down the enemy Lead, and possibly living to block Rapid Spins or revenge kill in the future. Later on, Gengar is easy to switch in thanks to immunity to 3 common types.​
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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Def / 252 Hp
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock​
Hippowdon is usually sent out after Gengar faints, or finishes her job. Hippowdon is able to set up two forms of risidual damage in one turn, Stealth Rock, and Sandstorm. Once this is done, he can use Roar to scout the enemy team, while racking up damage with Stealth Rock and Sandstorm. Slack Off allows Hippowdon to continue his spree of stalling, while Earthquake provides a powerful STAB.​
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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Def / 4 HP / 252 SDef
Bold Nature
- Surf
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish​
Vaporeon has saved my team more times than I want to count. This EV spread allows Her to become a weak Wall, but a powerful Staller, and Supporter. Alone, Vaporeon is capable of stalling almost any pokemon with a Toxic/Wish/Protect combo. However, Vaporeon is more of a team player. She can switch into an ice or water attack aimed at Hippowdon, Heatran or Salamence. After laughing off the damage, Vaporeon can badly poison pesky Walls, and then Wish-and-Switch to a damaged comrade. *Should I swap this with Crocune to match my offensive core?*​
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Scizor @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Brick Break​
If any pokemon on my team die, Scizor comes in and revenge kills. Bullet Punch's priority allows him to pick off weakened pokemon. After a revenge kill, Scizor can set up a sweep of his own. After one Swords Dance, Scizor packs a potent punch. The given Speed EVs allow him to outspeed and kill off threats with a OHKO thanks to Swords Dance.​
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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Dragon Pulse​
Heatran is here to absorb fire attacks launched at Scizor. If Heatran gains the boost from Flash Fire, he becoms nearly unstopable. If not, he is still a powerful pokemon. Fire Blast OHKOs almost anything that doesn't resist, and is not a special wall. The Choice Scarf ensures that Heatran attacks first, usually killing the pokemon before it has the chance to attack. Explosion is useful for the team. Late game, if Hippowdon and Vaporeon are down, Explosion checks huge threats that would otherwise sweep the team.*Should this be replaced with Rest/LO Shaymin?*​
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Salamence @ Yache Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Roost (?)
- Earthquake​
Salamence is my late game, often last resort Sweeper. Once my team scouts and kills threats to DDMence, he is able to break through teams with ease. After one DD, Outrage tears pokemon apart, usually OHKOing. Steel types are the only ones who resist Outrage, so Earthquake is there to take them down. Roost is useful for healing off risidual damage, but may be useless because of Vaporeons Wish Support.​



Thanks! Feel free to critique, I don't get offended.​





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Hey this is a pretty good team.
Regarding your questions:

I think Heatran would make a better scarfer, as two dragon resists are very helpful.
Though you should make it Rash, not Modest, so Expolsion's power won't be hindered.

Hippowdon would probably be better for your team, as it is your one and only rock resist.

It's hard to say which set would be better, but you can always give Scizor a muscle band, lum berry or occa berry, a bulkier spread in
200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe
and U-turn over Bug Bite.
This would allow you to possibly bluff a choice band if your opponent is too lazy to run damage calcs.
 
Thanks for the help sir.

Yeah, I'll deffianitly stick with Hippowdon, I realized he's my only pHazer.

Looking over it, Heatran does seem like the better choice, thanks. But I'm gonna train up a Latias in case I ever want to switch him in, or does heatran have a huge advantage?
 
It's a toss up, really.
Heatran has a bunch of useful resists and doesn't fear pursuit.
Latias, however is much faster and can revenge kill Salamence and such after a DD.
 
how about mixing up your scizor a little?

Scizor @ leftovers
Technician | Adamant
32HP / 252Atk / 224spd
-hidden power (electric 60 base power)
-swords dance
-bullet punch
-bug bite / brick break

To me it seems like every time I use a Scizor (which is rarely) a Gyarados comes gets intimidate off and starts dragon dancing, but with Hidden power (electric) you could KO it without trouble and risking Vaporeon taking unnecessary damage. 60 base power is used because of technician making it 120. Bug Bite and Brick Break is your choice. I would chose Brick Break so you could inflict more damage on Magnezone and break reflect/lightscreen.

The rest of your team looks fine.
 
Thanks everyone. Here are the changes so far



  • For now I'm keeping Heatran, because the Latias I caught in HG has a terrible nature. (Willing to trade anything for a Latias BTW :P )
  • I'm also sticking with Hippowdon. His Roar is really helpful
 
To keep scizor's scouting potential without wasting the boosts it has obtained you could use baton pass over one of your other moves. This makes scizor not only a potent sweeper/revenge killer but also a scouter and supporter. I would keep brick break over bug bite because of the many steel types as well as extra support in the ridding of screens (even though they are rare). Can allow you to take advantage of your opponents surprise and different approach to the game as they may think it is a baton pass team or has a definite strategy that they think they can undo. This would make Gliscor much more viable on this team as well, although I think Hippowdoon would be better. Also if you think Outrage tears teams apart after a Dragon Dance...
 
I think the Hippowdon set you are running right now is fine, but if you really want to screw with your opponent:

Hippowdon @ Choice Band
Adamant 252 HP / 124 Atk / 132 Def
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Stone Edge (for DD Gyrados)
-Fire Fang

When you think of Hippo, you think of stall and sandstorm not a Choice Band! Hippowdon actually has decent attack, and can put that to good use here. EQ for STAB, Crunch for levitating Pyschics and Ghosts, Ice Fang can be run over SE if you want a check to the many OU Dragons. And Finally Fire Fang is for those pesky Steel/Bug types, and im NOT talking about Forretress.

Just remember, your current set is just fine too, just wanted to throw this out there because I am a fan of unpopular, but still viable movesets. You also won't have two choiced sets if you continue to run a non CB Scizor, which I think is more effective for sweeping because you already have Heatran for revenging.

Good RMT, and good luck on your future laddering/posting!
 
i think umbreon would make for a better toxic staller than vaporeon. he's got better defense, and if you give him moonlight instead of wish, then that salamence, should definately keep his roost
 
the only sad thing about your thread dude are these people and their suggestions

TheWaft said:
i think umbreon would make for a better toxic staller than vaporeon. he's got better defense, and if you give him moonlight instead of wish, then that salamence, should definately keep his roost
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first, he has a hippowdon why would an umbreon be good with moonlight on his team?

NanoSpeck said:
how about mixing up your scizor a little?

Scizor @ leftovers
Technician | Adamant
32HP / 252Atk / 224spd
-hidden power (electric 60 base power)
-swords dance
-bullet punch
-bug bite / brick break

To me it seems like every time I use a Scizor (which is rarely) a Gyarados comes gets intimidate off and starts dragon dancing, but with Hidden power (electric) you could KO it without trouble and risking Vaporeon taking unnecessary damage. 60 base power is used because of technician making it 120. Bug Bite and Brick Break is your choice. I would chose Brick Break so you could inflict more damage on Magnezone and break reflect/lightscreen.

The rest of your team looks fine.
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second, suggesting any special move for scizor is lol

my post count maybe small but im no noob, so my opinions

1. Pokes: CroCune is ok, but keep Vappy these two are always competiting with each other for bulky water on peps teams, and if you want to be good you got to have good defensive pokes (says smogon) CroCune is not needed because you have 3 offensive pokes already.
No need for Shaymin you got Vappy for synergy with Heatran. Hippowdon is ok. Salamence, Roost is recommended but not necessary.


2. Items: Don't Yache your Mence it won't save it in the long run unless you're really trying to end it quick but with him as your last resort Leftovers is better, synergy with other pokes are good with Mence, and negates Sandstorm. Don't change Hippowdon.

3. Evs: Scizor, that much speed isn't really need. If your really want speed 44 is best as it outspeed 0 Spe Skarmory. Other than that, that much speed isn't needed when you have Bullet Punch.

Hope that helps
 
Hippowdon is nice but I fell that a Swampert does it job just as well while having slightly better coverage than Hippowdon, personally I can just see the extra SS damage anoying your team more than it annoys your opponient. Still both Swampert and Hippowdon are similar authough I feel that Swampert fits offensive teams better though te choice is up to you!

i really don't like how this team gets hammered by a Bulkydos with Taunt, DD, waterfall and Bounce. It coms in on Vaporeon or Hippowdon and sweeps you with Ease. Your only hope is Hearan who can explode on it or Salamence which needs to use Outrage to kill it. Heatran an explode on it but it needs to be faster and any smart opponient will know that Heatran switchng in on a DD Gyarados means tat Heatran will explode next move.

A quick fix is to run HP Electric on Vaporeon.
I also don't like how DD Salamence or even Mixmence can put the hurt on your team. Heatran may outspeed the Mixmence set but again switching a Heatran on Salamence is just screaming "Scarf Scarf". Scarf Latias I think does Heatrans job better as it outspeeds pokemon with a 1+ speed boost (eg Salamence) without having to resort to winning a speed tie.

Speaking of Salamence You are currently running a Bulky DD set without leftovers. This set has trouble with Skamory and only Heatran can beat Skarmory on this team. I suggest either a Mixmence set or a Offensive DD set. If Sandstorm is hurting your teamtoo much then change Hippowdon to a swampert.

Hope I helped

Have a Nice Day!
 
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