OU Team, preparing for Salamence's disappearence

[Akita Neru]

Okay, so I finally decided to give these forums a chance.
So I'll start things out by uploading one of my teams.
Please be aware that this is an RMT.
Yeah, I have made a lot of teams, but many of them were from back when I wasn't good at building teams, and I hope I have improved enough now.
Anyway, let's move on.

NOTE: Changes will be made in blue.


Team at a glance:

Okay, this team overall is a sturdy one. All pokemon can take hits well, and I've often got some set-up time.
Machamp, the all famous anti-lead. It is able to hurt very many things with its DynamicPunch, and won't be crippled easily because of its Lum.
Heatran is there for his sweeping capabilities as well as being a great special attacker.
Skarmory. I went with this pokemon because it's the best spiker, that is not uber, in the game in my opinion. It also has excellent synergy with Blissey, walling special and physical attacks respectively.
Gyarados is no longer limited to having Stone Edge to deal with its fellow Dragon Dancer, being Salamence. It can now, as well as Breloom, live out to its full potential for now. This pokemon has given me many rage quits after a few dances and crippling stuff.
Blissey, the mightiest Special wall in the game. It can block many special sweepers who otherwise would kill my team. It can also pass wishes around, making it a very good team player and supporter.
Rotom-c. Okay, sure, I love Scizor. But it was time for us to break up. So now I decided to go with Rotom-c instead, because 1. I need a spinblocker when running a spiker, being Skarmory, 2. I was too fire weak with 3 pokemon weak to it, and 3. I now have a good way to deal with Swamperts.

Machamp @

Lum Berry
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Nature: Adamant
- DynamicPunch
- Bullet Punch
- Stone Edge
- Payback
Okay, here you have it. Your standard Lead Machamp basically. It has Dynamicpunch, coming off as a 100 Base STAB move from base 130 Atk! It can score a 2HKO on many common leads, as well as maybe getting some Confusion hax on the frail ones, like Aerodactyl.
Peoples' suggestions have also lead to me putting Stone Edge on it, because they were right about a very obvious thing. My weakness to Special sweepers that pack electric attacks, most particularily Zapdos.
It also has Payback to deal with troublesome ghosts, as well as Azelf.

Heatran @

Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 44 Atk / 212 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Hasty
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Hidden Power Grass
Okay, so I needed a Fire absorber, a fast sweeper, and a Special attacker. Heatran fulfills all of those requirements, and it's a great pokemon for my team. Sure, I wanted to test Breloom now that I play in Suspect, but that can wait.
I still have my Gyarados left. This Heatran has Hidden Power Grass to handle Swampert, and I don't feel like Dragon Pulse/Hidden Power Ice are needed. So yeah, enjoy your standard ScarfTran with a slight twist.

Skarmory @

Shed Shell
Ability: Keen Eye/Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Nature: Impish
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind
Okay, since I run an anti-lead Machamp, I must get a way to set up Stealth Rocks. Skarmory is great in doing that, and can easily annoy people to the limit when working in tandem with Blissey.
Also Magnezone will not put and end to this, as I have Shed Shell on it. I also have Roost to make up for the HP recovery lost by not having Leftovers.
Why didn't I go with Brave Bird? Because I don't see Taunt as a very big problem. If using a Taunt pokemon, it is most likely to be a lead, most notably Azelf and Aerodactyl, whom are both suicide leads, thus probably not alive when Skarmory comes in.
And if I somehow would get a Taunt pokemon on me, I can just switch you know.

Gyarados @

Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 132 SpD
Nature: Adamant
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Dragon Dance
- Thunder Wave
Okay, here we go again with a bulky pokemon. This time with our old friend Thunder Wave Gyarados. Simply Thunder Wave stuff that you don't like, and start DDing.
When predicting a switch, you could just DD directly, especially if that pokemon is a ground pokemon, or Jolteon/Electivire, or you might find yourself being in a tough spot.
We have the classic Waterfall to deal great damage, and it's STAB. And the other move, should it be
1. Earthquake to deal with electrics
2. Bounce for very good coverage as well as another STAB move
or 3. Substitute, though leaving you walled by pokemon that resist water, preferrably Suicune, who can just Rest off your paralyzis?
I have decided to go with Bounce for now, which works wonders, but feel free to suggest something else. It might even be your own suggestion, and not one of the aforementioned 3.
However, unless your argument is good enough, I will stick to Bounce right now.

Blissey @

Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Nature: Bold
- Flamethrower
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic
As I mentioned before, this team is rather good and solid over being original. So I'm going with the, according to some people, most unoriginal pokemon in the game. But also, as a fact, it's by far the best Special wall in the game.
It will simply be passing Wishes around, while still being able to heal itself with it, using Protect. It also has Toxic to encourage the stall concept. At last, it has Flamethrower to murder incoming Scizors, as well as dealing some decent damage to Skarmories.
It is also a great team player with my Skarmory, walling all Special attacks being aimed at it.

Rotom-c @

Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 168 SpA / 88 Spe
Nature: Modest
- Leaf Storm
- Will-o-wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
Yeah, Rotom-c. It is kinda stallish, which is a nice addition to the team. It also serves as a great Spin blocker, which I was in need of. It has Leaf Storm to murder Swamperts, and dealing some nice damage to Gliscors.
It can cripple stuff with Will-o-wisp, while also having a nice offensive power with its STABs, and signature move.
And like DoctorWho? suggested, I won't have a hard time with Swampert, as I can just burn it with WoW.
However, I went with Leaf Storm and Thunderbolt, to try it out.
I also figured that my Skarm can easily set up on it with Spikes/Stealth Rock, then Whirlwind it away if it's a Cursepert.

So yeah, feel free to suggest any changes. Please rate and comment on it.
See you all later, and thank you in advance.

 

[george182]

Sure, Skarmory, but you'll outrun it anyway, and then you could ThunderWave it in the face, and proceed with a Fire Punch, unless you want to go with Fire Punch twice, which is a guaranteed 2HKO.

LOL, where did you that damage calc? on a max hp, max defence skarmory you do:
22.2% - 26.3% sure fire 2hko? no thats a 5hko, and a 4hko if your lucky. If the skarmory has leftovers, then your not gonna be killing it any time soon.

Even on a standard sp.def skarmory with no defence investment you do:

26.3% - 31.1% which is a solid 4hko, not to mention sp.def skarmory normaly has leftovers as they need it to make up for the lack of bulk. So your not killing it any time soon

where is this 2hko comming from?
even on a skarmory with defence reducing nature, 0 Iv's in defence, and 0 ev's in defence, you do:

49.2% - 58.3%

Even this is not a sure fire 2hko? even with the minimum defences possible there is a chance it will 3hko.
You clearly just made this up, to make your Jirachi sound cool and that is just stupid and you have failed.

then there is a few other little wrong statements, like toxic orb heals 12.5% instead of 12%, which you know as after 1 sub and 2 turns of toxic orb, breloom is back to full health and a sub takes 25%, 25/2 = 12.5%. Dark + fighting is also resisted by heracross, who is an OU.

 

[Yoz]

Hey Akita,

Don't have much to suggest right now as I'm very busy and about to leave but just wanted to point out that a Zapdos/Jolteon, if played right, could sweep your team easily, especially as you have no Ice Attacks, which, even without a Mence (i'm thinking you're talking about Suspect), you should still have at least one of.

Also I'm predicting you have problems with ScarfGon, especially if Scizor is gone.

I know these aren't extremely common pokes but both will probably rise in usage, especially in Suspect where Flygon is very common.

Yoz

 

[VulcanFenrir]

Zapdos weak? All your pokemon will get owned in the face by Zapdos with Heat Wave or Thunderbolt for 4x Damage on Gyarados.

69.6% - 82.1%
That's how much damage your Vaporeon takes from standard Offensive Zapdos which means since you are outsped there is NO way Vaporeon can counter Zapdos even with it's high SpD. Machamp doesn't run SE so it can't even hit for good damage as he at less then half health if he switches in on TBolt and GUARENTEED to be killed even on a Heat Wave switch in.
58.9% - 69.5% Thunderbolt
41.1% - 48.7% Heat Wave

Honestly I don't know what to do without breaking up your team unless you put Stone Edge on Machamp and even then you have to revenge kill in order for any chances and that means Zapdos already gets 1 Kill and could switch out right there.

 

[Tag]

Jirachi isn't going to be doing much for you, I'm telling you. Against almost any lead that sets up Stealth Rock is going to be able to set up Stealth Rock. Some calcs from the April 2010 Lead Usage:

Azelf's Fire Blast: 63.4% - 74.8%
Aero's Earthquake: 46.5% - 55%
Swampert's Earthquake: 58.4% - 68.8%
Metagross's Earthquake: 60.4% - 71.3%
Infernape's Fire Blast: 83.7% - 98.5%
Machamp's Dynamic Punch: 41.8% - 49.3%
Tyranitar's Earthquake: 52% - 61.4%

And I left out Roserade, Ninjask, and Jirachi for obvious reasons. Only one pokemon there cannot score a 2HKO on you, and they don't exactly mind being Thunderwaved because they still get a free hit because of their Sash.

Second of all, you're not running any variety of types. NPApe looks like it could seriously damage you when set up.

Infernape's Fire Blast vs (all ones with a boost are a 1HKO besides Vaporeon and Gyarados, which are 2HKO)

Rachi: 215.8% - 254.5% with NP and 108.4% - 127.7% without NP
Breloom: 406.2% - 478.4% with NP and 204.3% - 240.7% without NP
Machamp: 129.9% - 153.1% With NP
Gyarados: Grass Knot: 64.7% - 76.4% Fire Blast: 48.5% - 57.1% (solid 2HKO with
SR)
Vaporeon: Grass Knot: 57.3% - 67.7%
Scizor: obv.

Scizor's BP vs NPApe: 31.6% - 37.1%

So you're looking at at least one KO and 1 pokemon severely dented if Ape get's a NP on the switch, normally. Scizor can't even revenge Infernape easily, too. Honestly, I really can't help you much without breaking up your team, like VulcanFenrir. Also, learn to do calcs with the Smogon calculator. Fire Punch is not a 2HKO on Skarmory, and I don't think any of us can imagine how you got that conclusion.

My best suggestion would be to replace Jirachi for Machamp, switch Vaporeon for a Wish Passing Jirachi, change Gyarados for Scarf Starmie with Rapid Spin, and take out Breloom for Mixmence because it looks like you're going to have an awful time with stall. If you're not willing to add in Salamence, I'd add in either Calm Mind or SubSeed Celebi in replace of Breloom to deal with stall. WishRachi and MixMence will get awesome synergy, and supplies Mence with HP taken away from LO and Sandstorm.

 

[nesan]

Great theme! Just a quick rate!
As VulcanFenrir and Yoz mentioned you do have a huge Zapdos/Jolteon weakness.
If you're using Vaporeon as a Special Wall then why not use the famous Blissey?
Blissey
Natural Cure
Bold
Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
~ Wish
~ Softboiled
~ Flamethrower
~ Toxic
I know you didn't want to use Blissey but Gyarados already has all the Water support you need. Blissey helps you wall Zapdos and Jolteon forever!
Also consider giving Stone Edge to Breloom or Machamp as a backup if Blissey goes down somehow.
The lack of Special Attacks really hurts. Walled by Skarmory/Forretress!
Vaporeon can hardly scratch a Special Bulky Skarmory.
Is suggest you take out Scizor, Machamp or Breloom. My recommendation is Breloom and bring in a Specs/Scarf Heatran! If you'd like to keep Vaporeon then Heatran fits in perfectly!
I'm not a huge fan of your Jirachi lead. I highly recommend you replace if with Machamp!

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Consider replacing Payback for Stone Edge on Machamp. Since your team lacks any entry hazards Payback is less vital to hit Rotom and Gengar. Additionally, Stone Edge somewhat mitigates your Zapdos weakness while also providing you with a potential switch-in to Gyarados, a weakened Skarmory, et al.

 

[Akita Neru]

LOL, where did you that damage calc? on a max hp, max defence skarmory you do:
22.2% - 26.3% sure fire 2hko? no thats a 5hko, and a 4hko if your lucky. If the skarmory has leftovers, then your not gonna be killing it any time soon.

Even on a standard sp.def skarmory with no defence investment you do:

26.3% - 31.1% which is a solid 4hko, not to mention sp.def skarmory normaly has leftovers as they need it to make up for the lack of bulk. So your not killing it any time soon

where is this 2hko comming from?
even on a skarmory with defence reducing nature, 0 Iv's in defence, and 0 ev's in defence, you do:

49.2% - 58.3%

Even this is not a sure fire 2hko? even with the minimum defences possible there is a chance it will 3hko.
You clearly just made this up, to make your Jirachi sound cool and that is just stupid and you have failed.

then there is a few other little wrong statements, like toxic orb heals 12.5% instead of 12%, which you know as after 1 sub and 2 turns of toxic orb, breloom is back to full health and a sub takes 25%, 25/2 = 12.5%. Dark + fighting is also resisted by heracross, who is an OU.

Okay, sorry about those wrong statements. The thing about Fire Punchi is that I think I mixed it up with someone's Fire Blast. I don't really know, I was tired.
Team has now been fixed anyway.

Hey Akita,

Don't have much to suggest right now as I'm very busy and about to leave but just wanted to point out that a Zapdos/Jolteon, if played right, could sweep your team easily, especially as you have no Ice Attacks, which, even without a Mence (i'm thinking you're talking about Suspect), you should still have at least one of.

Also I'm predicting you have problems with ScarfGon, especially if Scizor is gone.

I know these aren't extremely common pokes but both will probably rise in usage, especially in Suspect where Flygon is very common.

Yoz

Yeah, thank you for the suggestions. I have now changed my team drastically.

Hmm...Your Poke's typing is quite limited. You've got two part-steels, two part-fighting and two part-waters. Maybe you could get some more type variance in there?

Yeah, good thing you pointed that out. It's fixed now though.

Zapdos weak? All your pokemon will get owned in the face by Zapdos with Heat Wave or Thunderbolt for 4x Damage on Gyarados.

69.6% - 82.1%
That's how much damage your Vaporeon takes from standard Offensive Zapdos which means since you are outsped there is NO way Vaporeon can counter Zapdos even with it's high SpD. Machamp doesn't run SE so it can't even hit for good damage as he at less then half health if he switches in on TBolt and GUARENTEED to be killed even on a Heat Wave switch in.
58.9% - 69.5% Thunderbolt
41.1% - 48.7% Heat Wave

Honestly I don't know what to do without breaking up your team unless you put Stone Edge on Machamp and even then you have to revenge kill in order for any chances and that means Zapdos already gets 1 Kill and could switch out right there.

Yup, I put Stone Edge on Machamp, who is now a lead. Thanks for the suggestions.

Jirachi isn't going to be doing much for you, I'm telling you. Against almost any lead that sets up Stealth Rock is going to be able to set up Stealth Rock. Some calcs from the April 2010 Lead Usage:

Azelf's Fire Blast: 63.4% - 74.8%
Aero's Earthquake: 46.5% - 55%
Swampert's Earthquake: 58.4% - 68.8%
Metagross's Earthquake: 60.4% - 71.3%
Infernape's Fire Blast: 83.7% - 98.5%
Machamp's Dynamic Punch: 41.8% - 49.3%
Tyranitar's Earthquake: 52% - 61.4%

And I left out Roserade, Ninjask, and Jirachi for obvious reasons. Only one pokemon there cannot score a 2HKO on you, and they don't exactly mind being Thunderwaved because they still get a free hit because of their Sash.

Second of all, you're not running any variety of types. NPApe looks like it could seriously damage you when set up.

Infernape's Fire Blast vs (all ones with a boost are a 1HKO besides Vaporeon and Gyarados, which are 2HKO)

Rachi: 215.8% - 254.5% with NP and 108.4% - 127.7% without NP
Breloom: 406.2% - 478.4% with NP and 204.3% - 240.7% without NP
Machamp: 129.9% - 153.1% With NP
Gyarados: Grass Knot: 64.7% - 76.4% Fire Blast: 48.5% - 57.1% (solid 2HKO with
SR)
Vaporeon: Grass Knot: 57.3% - 67.7%
Scizor: obv.

Scizor's BP vs NPApe: 31.6% - 37.1%

So you're looking at at least one KO and 1 pokemon severely dented if Ape get's a NP on the switch, normally. Scizor can't even revenge Infernape easily, too. Honestly, I really can't help you much without breaking up your team, like VulcanFenrir. Also, learn to do calcs with the Smogon calculator. Fire Punch is not a 2HKO on Skarmory, and I don't think any of us can imagine how you got that conclusion.

My best suggestion would be to replace Jirachi for Machamp, switch Vaporeon for a Wish Passing Jirachi, change Gyarados for Scarf Starmie with Rapid Spin, and take out Breloom for Mixmence because it looks like you're going to have an awful time with stall. If you're not willing to add in Salamence, I'd add in either Calm Mind or SubSeed Celebi in replace of Breloom to deal with stall. WishRachi and MixMence will get awesome synergy, and supplies Mence with HP taken away from LO and Sandstorm.

Yeah, hi, thanks for the calc and suggestion. I don't know what is up with that Fire Punch thing,I guess I was just tired. Anyway, thanks for the help, I decided to go with the Machamp lead, which works very good.

Great theme! Just a quick rate!
As VulcanFenrir and Yoz mentioned you do have a huge Zapdos/Jolteon weakness.
If you're using Vaporeon as a Special Wall then why not use the famous Blissey?
Blissey
Natural Cure
Bold
Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
~ Wish
~ Softboiled
~ Flamethrower
~ Toxic
I know you didn't want to use Blissey but Gyarados already has all the Water support you need. Blissey helps you wall Zapdos and Jolteon forever!
Also consider giving Stone Edge to Breloom or Machamp as a backup if Blissey goes down somehow.
The lack of Special Attacks really hurts. Walled by Skarmory/Forretress!
Vaporeon can hardly scratch a Special Bulky Skarmory.
Is suggest you take out Scizor, Machamp or Breloom. My recommendation is Breloom and bring in a Specs/Scarf Heatran! If you'd like to keep Vaporeon then Heatran fits in perfectly!
I'm not a huge fan of your Jirachi lead. I highly recommend you replace if with Machamp!

Thanks! I don't feel like using Heatran on this team right now, but now it has been changed a lot. I did go with Blissey, just with a slightly different moveset. But thanks for the help

I tried the team out a bit, and decided to replace Breloom with ScarfTran after all. :3

 

[Akita Neru]

Bump

 

[jc104]

Machamp should use a spread of 240hp, 240atk 16spdef 12spe. This allows it more attacking power whilst outrunning most other Machamp and still surviving naive Azelf's psychic. Ice punch is recommended over Stone Edge for Gliscor.

Your team also has major trouble with taunt Gyarados, so Tbolt should be used on Rotom.

Good luck.

 

[Akita Neru]

Machamp should use a spread of 240hp, 240atk 16spdef 12spe. This allows it more attacking power whilst outrunning most other Machamp and still surviving naive Azelf's psychic. Ice punch is recommended over Stone Edge for Gliscor.

Your team also has major trouble with taunt Gyarados, so Tbolt should be used on Rotom.

Good luck.

I will try that EV spread and see how it works for me. However, Gliscor is not a big problem for me, and I will need Stone Edge to hurt Zapdos.
I will also change the moveset on Rotom
Thanks. :D

 

[ginganinja]

This team has serious issues with Stallbreaker Gliscor and Taunt Gyarados. I suggest Ice Fang on Gyarados so that you can at least hurt the damn flying scorpion. Rotom needs Thunderbolt on it which I believe has already been suggested. Not much else to suggest to help against these threats without changing a large part of the team.

So:
Thunderbolt on Rotom
Ice Fang on Gyarados (for Gliscor)

 

[Jamesb8]

Pretty good team, I also saw that Gyarados could easily come in on Skarmory, wich has no attacking moves, taunt and then sweep. So Tunderbolt on rotom is great but I'd just like to point out don't listen to Ginganinja, who is a great rater, as...

This team has serious issues with Stallbreaker Gliscor and Taunt Gyarados. I suggest Ice Fang on Gyarados so that you can at least hurt the damn flying scorpion.

Waterfall Vs. Gliscor has power 80 > STAB 120> Super effective 240
Ice fang Vs. Gliscor has power55 > no STAB > Super Super effective 220
so less power and Ice fang is bad in general on Gyarados as well as, in my opinion, missing more often than focus blast. Don't Flame me comparing accuracy ratings this is just what happens to me; I am clealy very Lucky/Unlucky.

 

[ginganinja]

Ice Fang has 65 base power= 260 damage.
it also has 95% accuricy so it cannot possiably miss more than Focus Blast



Bulky Gyarados does 62.15% - 73.45% to Gliscor with Ice Fang

Bulky Gyarados does 57.63% - 67.8% to Gliscor with Waterfall


Regardless however, Gliscor is still a large threat to the team baring Gyarados. (not to meantion that Stone Edge cripples Gyarados
and is run more often on Glisocr than U-turn or Toxic)
Have a Nice Day!

 

[Doctor Who?]

Run Thunderbolt>>Leaf Storm on Rotom. You can burn it anyway.

 

[Akita Neru]

sub, focus punch, thunderbolt, dark pulse, Tyranitar would kill your team from beheind a sub., punching blissy and hearton, thounderbolting gyarados and skarm, and dark pulse/ crunch for rotom

True I guess, but really. Who uses such a Tyranitar?
And even if I would ever face one of those, after sacrificing one poke, I could just revenge kill it.
I don't see it as an issue actually

This team has serious issues with Stallbreaker Gliscor and Taunt Gyarados. I suggest Ice Fang on Gyarados so that you can at least hurt the damn flying scorpion. Rotom needs Thunderbolt on it which I believe has already been suggested. Not much else to suggest to help against these threats without changing a large part of the team.

So:
Thunderbolt on Rotom
Ice Fang on Gyarados (for Gliscor)

Okay, Thunderbolt on Rotom is now fixed. I have faced a few Gliscor, and I haven't had trouble with them, so no Ice Fang on Gyara.

Pretty good team, I also saw that Gyarados could easily come in on Skarmory, wich has no attacking moves, taunt and then sweep. So Tunderbolt on rotom is great but I'd just like to point out don't listen to Ginganinja, who is a great rater, as...



Waterfall Vs. Gliscor has power 80 > STAB 120> Super effective 240
Ice fang Vs. Gliscor has power55 > no STAB > Super Super effective 220
so less power and Ice fang is bad in general on Gyarados as well as, in my opinion, missing more often than focus blast. Don't Flame me comparing accuracy ratings this is just what happens to me; I am clealy very Lucky/Unlucky.

Okay, thank you. Sure, but running Ice Fang would just be a waste in my opinion.
I can also just stall it out with Blissey, because a Bold 252/252 def can't possibly be OHKOd by an Earthquake from Gliscor.
In fact, it will be 3HKOd, thus making it possible to stall with Toxic/Wish/Protect, unless the opponent is very lucky and gets maximum damage both attacks, and then it has to be Adamant, which is pretty uncommon on Gliscor I believe.

Run Thunderbolt>>Leaf Storm on Rotom. You can burn it anyway.

Yep, that has now been fixed, thanks for your help. :D

 

[ginganinja]

Actually you cannot beat stallbreaker Gliscor with a Blissey. It often runs, Taunt, Roost, Earthquake and filler (usually Toxic, U-turn and Sometimes Stone Edge. Glisocr just Taunts your Blissey and then laughs at you while you atempt to Flamethrower it. It does the same thing to Skarmory forcing it to struggle or switch out. Granted it cannot taunt heatran, however Heatran will hate STAB Earthquakes anyway.

Gliscor runs Taunt 52.4% of the time so its not uncommon

Just making the point that Blissey cannot Stall out Gliscor as you believe

Have a Nice day!

 

[Akita Neru]

Actually you cannot beat stallbreaker Gliscor with a Blissey. It often runs, Taunt, Roost, Earthquake and filler (usually Toxic, U-turn and Sometimes Stone Edge. Glisocr just Taunts your Blissey and then laughs at you while you atempt to Flamethrower it. It does the same thing to Skarmory forcing it to struggle or switch out. Granted it cannot taunt heatran, however Heatran will hate STAB Earthquakes anyway.

Just making the point that Blissey cannot Stall out Gliscor as you believe

Have a Nice day!

Oh true, but most Gliscors I face are actually not running Taunt, or at least not using it on Blissey for some reason. But otherwise, you're right.

 

[Akita Neru]

Bump

 

[Jigglez]

I suggest Ice Punch over stone edge to deal with gliscor and dragons.

 

[Akita Neru]

I suggest Ice Punch over stone edge to deal with gliscor and dragons.

I don't have a too hard time dealing with Gliscor, nor the dragons (now being Flygon and Dragonite). Also, I need Stone Edge for Gyara.