Platinum Ubers

rayquazamaster776

Team Objective: Eliminate all threats and sweep with SD Ray.

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Deoxys-e @ Focus Sash/Lum Berry
Naive
128 Atk/128SpAtk/252 Speed
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Shadow Ball
Superpower

Role: Deoxys is a suicide lead, designed to set-up SR and be able to counter both Darkrai and other Deoxys, hence the unusual moveset and EVs.

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Dialga @ Choice Band
Adamant
224HP/252Atk/32 Speed
Outrage
EQ
Overheat
Stone Edge

Choice Band Dialga is a powerful threat that gives my team some much-needed phsical muscle, meaning that he can wear down physical walls so Rayquaza can finish them off.
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Lugia @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/8 Def/248 Speed
Ice Beam
Toxic
Roost
Reflect

Lugia is my physical wall and main counter to Garchomp and other Rayquaza. He can also stall out stuff like Groudon by Toxistalling with Roost and Reflect.

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Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Timid
4 HP/252 SpAtk/252 Speed
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Surf
Fire Blast

Palkia is my revenge killer, able to handle a wide variety of threats, again helping clear the way for Rayquaza.

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Darkrai @ Life Orb
Timid
4 HP/252 SpAtk/252 Speed
Dark Void
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Focus Blast

Darkrai's main job is to put threats to sleep and then take them out, but he can also function as a sweeper with Nasty Plot and near-perfect coverage, hitting everything except Toxicroak for at least neutral damage.
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Rayquaza @ Life Orb
Adamant
40 HP/252 Atk/216 Speed
Swords Dance
EQ
Extremespeed
Dragon Claw

Rayquaza is the star player in my team, and can easily decimate enemy teams, as long as they don't have a counter. That is why the sole goal of the rest of the team is to eliminate anything that could pose a threat to Rayquaza, or at least put them in Extremespeed range. Obviously, this is the one Pokemon on my team I would never be willing to replace. Nothing can compare to Rayquaza's sheer power.
 
lead DeoxysE in ubers suck
and the EV spread isnt too good
the only viable Deoxys E lead in ubers is the support lead with Screens or Spikes

Get rid of EQ on Rayquaza, it doesnt really do anything that a Fire attack wont. Consider Overheat or Flamethrower

Also, Weavile is a very poor choice
if your looking for some Physical attack power, look towards Metagross and Scizor
 
lead DeoxysE in ubers suck
and the EV spread isnt too good
the only viable Deoxys E lead in ubers is the support lead with Screens or Spikes
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Who should I use, then? Both Deoxys and Darkrai could present a threat, and this is my best way of getting rid of them, and getting the rocks up.


Get rid of EQ on Rayquaza, it doesnt really do anything that a Fire attack wont. Consider Overheat or Flamethrower
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Uhh, Dialga?


Also, Weavile is a very poor choice
if your looking for some Physical attack power, look towards Metagross and ScizorOctober 23rd, 2008 04:58 PM
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But Weavile can counter Chomp and other Rayquaza, something neither of those others can. I'll consider it, though.
 
Your Deoxys does not have a nature so I will assume it is Naive or Hasty.

Adamant Weavile is a no. Weavile's maximum Speed is 349 with Adamant, one point away from 350, which is the max for Latios and Latias. I'm not sure if anyone else here runs max Speed on Latias besides me, but honestly though unless there are some important Adamant calc it's better to just run Jolly and not risk being outsped and killed.

I honestly think using Life Orb is better than using Wide Lens. While we have an uber fast metagame (actually, no, it's not THAT fast as you're imagining it, so Darkrai will sweep at some point), do not ever neglect Darkrai's sweeping ability. If you aren't using Darkrai to sweep, then why is Nasty Plot there? I mean if your logic behind it is that Darkrai is not a sweeper and gets easily revenge killed, that would mean that when Darkrai Nasty Plots any revenge killer could come in and stop him. I'm not putting Nasty Plot down, because it's a really awesome addition to his movepool, but I'm questioning your logic a bit.

Rayquaza wants Jolly and max Speed. Who cares about 40 HP EVs? Although you do have Extremespeed, having that extra speed increase can be useful to at least tie with other Rays and outrun Jolly Groudon/Timid Kyogre so you don't have to rely on ES everytime.

Lugia wants at least 248 Speed EVs to outrun Swords Dance Rayquaza. I suggest Whirlwind over Toxic because Bulk Up Dialga can really run through your team so keeping it out for a while until the end game where you can start sacrificing your guys to defeat it.

Palkia wants Timid nature to outrun Jolly DDRay after it gets one in. It will also outrun SubSalac Groudon and Scarf Timid Kyogre. I would probably just go with Spacial Rend/Thunder/Surf/Fire Blast.

I'm not going to go over how to fix your weaknesses at the moment since it takes some time for me to think of ways to fix it, especially when your team is hyper offensive (not my type lol), but Bulk Up Dialga can tear through your team to an extent, should it get in on Lugia. Mewtwo can be devastating to your team because you rely a lot on Palkia to destroy it, and Palkia isn't really good when you consider that Life Orbed Thunder or Grass Knot puts a nasty dent onto it. CM Mewtwo can also destroy your team. Physical wall Mewtwo can stall Palkia out unless it uses Surf in the rain, and burns everything else in your team, leaving you with Darkrai to stop it. You have nothing to switch in on Thunder, so Specs Kyogre could spam Thunder at your team's face and kill them one by one. To a lesser extent due to rarity you cannot switch in on CBed Crunch or Stone Edge and must rely on revenge killing to handle Tyranitar.
 
yes whatever jibaku said there in that novel is true
generally in ubers you want to go close to max speed,

I would assume you're going Adamant Weavile because you assume that you will be using Ice Shard most of the time, but Ice Shard doesnt really hit anything except for Rayquaza and the Lati Twins, and like Jibaku said, giving Specs Kyogre a free switch in is big trouble for this team

so since you already have your Lugia as you're main counter, because Weavile isnt a counter at all, you can drop Weavile for a better offensive option, like a Metagross/Scizor, both of whom can take on Tyranitar very well, and also forces Bulk Up Dialga to switch out

plus, a steel type is never a bad thing in ubers

as for your rayquaza, you dont need EQ for Dialga because Dragon Claw will do 94-112 percent to 341 HP/276 Def Dialga, a definite KO if you have SR up. And thats if you go Jolly Max Speed instead of Adamant, which you should
that said, Scarf Dialga can really give this team some trouble, it can take on your Palkia if it lacks Draco Meteor and is at full health, Weavile doesnt stand a chance, Rayquaza cant do anything to it, so the afore mentioned steel type can come in on Dragon Pulses and threaten with EQ/Superpower

then, if you add a fire move, Forresstress/Skarmory/Bronzong and all the other steel types will never give you any trouble, except for Bullet Punch Scizor if your below 50 percent health
 
antonio as odd as this might seem I will refute some of your points.

Metagross/Scizor, both of whom can take on Tyranitar very well, and also forces Bulk Up Dialga to switch out
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Metagross can't exactly handle Crunches or CB Quakes, and Scizor takes so much pain from CB Stone Edge or Flamethrower. Unless Scizor has Swords Dance and Brick Break it isn't touching Dialga, and Dialga can actually Bulk Up in front of Metagross' face should it try to switch in and stall out all of Earthquake's PPs using Rest, Pressure and boosted Defense.

Also, Swords Danced Dragon Claw fails to OHKO 252 HP Dialga.
 
I would get rid of Weavile, as you already have Palkia for emergancy dragon killing. And if you want to sweep with Rayquaza, shouldn't you have some other physical attacker to do some damage before you bring Ray out? For example, a Tyranitar goes through all Uber physical walls except Groudon (Scizor and Metagross are trouble too though), and Groudon needs most of it's health to wall Ray. So that example would weaken the physical walls enough to let Ray sweep.

As it is now, all the physical walls have to deal with is 1 Poke: Ray. If not Tyranitar, Garchomp, Physical Dialga and even Groudon are all good physical attackers who would soften up the walls for the Ray sweep. Replacing Weavile with any of those works (If you pick Groudon, you might want to replace Palkia and its weakened Surf with a Dialga).

You could also replace Palkia with a Garchomp, for again, more physical pressure (especially if you go with TTar - Sand Veil hax :D). I would put Outrage on Rayquaza too - the additional power helps alot. And a Choice Scarf SpAtking Dialga would be a problem for your team, a problem which Groudon could solve. Replacing Lugia with a RestTalk Groudon would help the Dialga problem too, and it walls the same stuff.

If that's too long this is my attempt at a summary:

Replace Weavile with Groudon, Tyranitar, Dialga, or Garchomp or some thing physical attacker. If you use Groudon, swap Palkia for Dialga. If you use Tyranitar, you might want to swap Palkia for Garchomp. Using Dialga in this slot would help against enemy Kyogres though, and TTar is probaly the best option here for wall-breaking purposes.

Swapping Lugia for RestTalk Groudon helps your Dialga weakness while countering the same stuff. Swapping Palkia for Dialga counters SD Ray if you do swap Dialga for Groudon.




Deoxys-E is missing a nature too. Give Rayquaza Outrage.

EDIT: Ah Jibaku said most of what I said first, oh well. By the way, why do you rate nearly every Uber team but mine? :(.
 
OK, I fixed Palkia's moveset, changed Lugia's EVs, gave Deoxys a nature (lol), put Outrage as an option on Rayquaza, and replaced Weavile with a Choice Band Dialga. Good or no?
 
Why have both Choice Band Dialga and SD Rayquazza? I would make Dialga a Restalk variant to give the team more survivability.
 
Ah Jibaku said most of what I said first, oh well. By the way, why do you rate nearly every Uber team but mine? :(.
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Don't make me feel guilty >_<. I'm slowly starting to suck at team rating because the more progressively offensive the uber metagame is the harder it is to rate :(
I might be able to rate yours later

Anyways,
Timid on Palkia.

I probably won't go with Outrage on SD Rayquaza since it gets him revenge killed so easily. You might score a kill on Groudon, but then you have stuff like Mewtwo, Lati@s, Scarfogre or Deoxys revenge killing you. Especially if you're using Adamant.

CBDialga wants Outrage. Dragon Claw isn't strong enough to scratch the likes of Groudon, Lugia (who can wall Stone Edge with Roost) and physical wall Mewtwo. CBDialga's Outrage isn't so easily punished due to Dialga's impressive bulk, despite its base 90 Speed.
 
yes actually Jibaku you are right
i overlooked that Dialga is faster than both Metagross Scizor and can usually net 2 Bulk Ups, one on the switch and then one more before Scizor/Metagross would attack

at which point Metagross max attack Adamant EQ, Choice banded, would only do 35-41 percent to the standard BU Dialga, 404 HP/276 Def, easily restable

although, surely, BU Dialga would not be staying in with LO Groudon, either the Rock Polish version and definietly not Sword Dancing

which the OP might consider using Groudon, who doesnt need to be banded, and is about as fast as Dialga is ever going to get, although it misses out on the resistances

also, Dragon claw will not OHKO a 252 HP Dialga, but i understand most offensive Dialgas are scarfed theseadays which means SDQuaza will be screwed anyway, or the bulk version where EQ would be needed

unless of course, Mix and Specs Dialga made an uprising, i wouldnt know
but anyways, a moveset of

SD, Xspeed, EQ, and Waterfall might be useful
Waterfall hits Groudon harder than Dragon Claw would, and as stated, Outrage is generally a bad option on SDQuaza
 
xxflyingsolo07xx said:
yes actually Jibaku you are right
i overlooked that Dialga is faster than both Metagross Scizor and can usually net 2 Bulk Ups, one on the switch and then one more before Scizor/Metagross would attack

at which point Metagross max attack Adamant EQ, Choice banded, would only do 35-41 percent to the standard BU Dialga, 404 HP/276 Def, easily restable

although, surely, BU Dialga would not be staying in with LO Groudon, either the Rock Polish version and definietly not Sword Dancing

which the OP might consider using Groudon, who doesnt need to be banded, and is about as fast as Dialga is ever going to get, although it misses out on the resistances

also, Dragon claw will not OHKO a 252 HP Dialga, but i understand most offensive Dialgas are scarfed theseadays which means SDQuaza will be screwed anyway, or the bulk version where EQ would be needed

unless of course, Mix and Specs Dialga made an uprising, i wouldnt know
but anyways, a moveset of

SD, Xspeed, EQ, and Waterfall might be useful
Waterfall hits Groudon harder than Dragon Claw would, and as stated, Outrage is generally a bad option on SDQuaza
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I don't need Waterfall because Rayquaza can KO a weakened Groudon after a SD, and I also need Dragon Claw to hit Giratina. BU Dialga might be useful, though.
 
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