Poe's Revenge! (A team from the graveyard)

Hello there! Thank you for opening my RMT!

First off, let’s begin with the objective behind this team. It was initially supposed to center around a staple on most of my teams and a personal favorite:Gengar
How are you supposed to do that? Is it possible? I found out very soon that it was hard, despite Gengar’s fantastic characteristics; this was a very hard task at hand. I have however, adapted the team I find best suits him. The objective then turned to make my favorites from DPP shine once again in the faster and more aggressive metagame of today’s OU.
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A closer look:



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Weavile @ Focus Sash
Adamant nature; Ability: Pickpocket
252 Atk/4Hp/ 252 Spe
-Ice Punch -Brick Break
-Ice Shard -Night Slash

This Weavile is very special to me, and it was once my stellar suicide lead in DPP. Since everyone knows weaviles are fast Psychic and Ghost trappers, I use this to my advantage, and keep them away from the field until I’m ready to knock them out.
It’s main purpose however goes even further. The EV spread ensures maximum offensive prowess and with a focus sash it can easily break Dragonite’s multi-scale, demolish common starters, namely: Azelf, Deoxys-D, Cobalion amongst many others. Then work as my late game priority poke with Ice Shard.
Pickpocket is preferred over Pressure because after sash has been burned out I can rob the aggressor of its item, stopping aggressive scarf threats to this team, namely: Darmanitan and Victini, who can never resist smashing Weavile with their powerful fire moves.
Finally, it attracts scizor onto the battlefield, trainers simply can’t resist throwing it in at the site of a Weavile. This softens a free switch into Tentacruel, who can cripple it while damaging with a burning scald, or if it is more needed, set up the Toxic Spikes.

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Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Bold nature; Ability: Rain Dish
252 HP/ 4 SpD/ 252Def
-Scald -Toxic Spikes
-Protect -Rapid Spin

Next up: Tentacruel. I simply have to bow down and say this is one of the most useful support pokemon out there. It has slowly but surely become the heart piece of my favorite team. With Toxic Spikes, Tentacruel can soften up threats like Conkeldur allowing me to proceed to SubStall with Gengar after a Drain Punch gives me a free switch, then KO when it reaches 30%. It also covers Bronzong’s atrocious death sentence from a Flare Blitz, and burns offensive threats with Scald. Protect is staple since it gives me a winning edge in prediction wars. Tentacruel also attracts the omnipresent Jolteon, whom threatens my dragons, and this gives me a comfortable switch into my beloved Bronzong.

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Bronzong @ Lagging Tail
Careful Nature; Ability: Levitate
252Hp/4Def/252 SpD
-Trick -Earthquake
-Reflect -Stealth Rock

This Pokemon has saved the day over and over, and I must say I am utterly proud of its effectiveness. Bar the praising, it is meant to be my special pivot, with its spread it does this wonderfully, and can ensure Rocks up even after a Fire Blast. Test it if you like. It can stop speedy threats by shutting them down with Tricking a lagging tail onto them. It attracts the overpopulating Espeon, who can then be laughed at as I rob its Light Clay, set up a Reflect and proceed to destroy with EQ. It can’t touch me, and will then allow me to set up rocks once it notices this isn’t no ordinary Bronzong.
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Gengar @ Black Sludge
Timid nature; Ability: Levitate
252 Spe/ 4hp/ 252 SpA
-Substitute -Shadow Ball
-Giga Drain -Focus Blast
My beloved Gengar, oh it’s everywhere on my teams. This one was created with the sole thought of him in mind, but strayed… Here he serves a beautiful purpose being able to expose sets with Subs, and in conjunction with Tenta’s Toxic Stall. Thunderbolt is there to surprise Skarmories trying to whirlwind me around. The rest are coverage, and Black Sludge allows longetivity and SpinBlocking without breaking Item Clause. Gengar has easily set up subs and sweeped weakened teams, but it does lack the power of the Gengars on my other teams, and I’m considering swapping a Life Orb onto it, without making it SplitGar. I’m afraid this would cripple the synergy this team has, as it usually only falls when one member is missing, as they work beautifully as a whole, but fall apart even with the lack of Gengar. I’m also considering HP Fire to rip Foretress and Ferrothorn to shreds. Help?
-Giga Drain replaced Tbolt. Recommended by Kennen.

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Salamence @ Expert Belt
Naive Nature; Ability: Moxie
98 Atk/160 SpA/252 Spe
-Draco Meteor -Dragon Claw
-Fire Blast -Earthquake

This mence set I have found to be extremely dangerous. With Expert Belt and lack of Intimidate, I could easily fake the feared MoxieScarf combo, and catch teams by surprise. A simple mistake against this behemoth could spell your doom in seconds. The spread used to have more invested into Atk, but I found the ensured Draco Meteor KO more favorable, as well as being able to KO scizor and ferrothorn in rain. The problem with this is that I lose the boost upon switching out, and I constantly have to do so with the fear of a Choice Scarf on just about any pokemon. This means I lack physical prowess upon my return. Nevertheless this behemoth is just straight up Sweep, and is back from the grave with its release from Ubers, where it rested more than long enough.


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Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Timid nature; Ability: Natural Cure
252 Spe/ 4Hp/ 252 SpA
-Thunderbolt -Trick
-Ice Beam -Psyshock

Last but definitely not least: the rare Scarfmie. This set allows me to easily revenge kill dragons, and out speed dangerous Scarfmons and stop them in their tracks. Trick is staple as it helps me maneuver myself out of sticky situations and come out with the winning edge, as Starmie can safely serve as an offensive threat once it has served its duties.
Threats I can’t afford to not cover with Starmie are Scarfed: Terrakions, Thundurus’, All Dragons, Keldeos. Also the occasional Cloyster and DD Gyarados. All whom pose immediate threats to the team as a whole.

I play by Item clause, so please recommend sets that won't violate that.
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The flaws:
I am completely, and I mean utterly stopped by Baton Pass chains that start on Bronzong’s face. I lack a shuffler, but I have no space for a shuffler or anything alike on my team.
Rotom-W with Volt Switch and a Scarf foils most of my momentum anywhere, and is only weakened by offensive assaults, (which is notoriously hard when it is switching all over your face.)

Scarfed Genesect is also literally a bug to this team, I’m not sure at the moment is if has been banned already. If it hasn’t all it needs is something secure to switch out and in from to wreak havoc. On that note, the best way to take it out is weakening its team members and slowly, itself to a point where Starmie can KO with a thunderbolt, usually about 33% more or less.

Sandstorm teams are only annoying because they break Weavile’s sash regardless of whether or not I clear hazards away with Tentacruel. And Weavile then can’t serve as death or status fodder, I also lose my priority user whom comes in handy for weakening Dragonites and Scarfed Thundurus-T’s. I’ve considered Rain Dance on Tentacruel, but who has space for that?!

Trick users like Specs Latios can also ruin me, but I usually only have to hold in with Bronzong, and they can give me windows for Rocks. However I must be wary because if it is ever managed for the opposing team to get my own lagging tail on say, Salamence, I’ve pretty much ruined myself.

Reinclus is very annoying, it can’t touch Bronzong without enough boosts so Tricking it is obligatory. Weavile can smash it pretty hard with Night Slash and in some cases even force a switch, but is there any better possible response on this team?

Despite all the aforementioned this is a very effective anti-metagame team when played to its strengths. I come out on top of 7-9/10 of matches with presumed skilled players on Pokemon Online. I usually face palm my own self to death however :P
Feel free to criticize and all that, I love feedback.
And please don’t use it without giving credit, and especially if you can’t use it right and are going to say it sucks.
-J out.
 
Threats:

Gastrodon - Nothing threatens this at all. Your only shot to win is with Tentacruel's Toxic Spikes hitting it. I dunno when this will be because Gastrodon is usually paired with some out to Toxic which stops it.

Jolteon - Switching into a Specs Thunderbolt is actually impossible for you. Without a resist or immunity, you basically just get beat down by Volt Switch / Thunderbolt until hazards or Jolteon kill you. Tentacruel will be hard pressed to come in and remove Rocks with Jolteon threatening it as well.

Ninetales - This thing can be tough because Sun loves free options to spam Fire-type attacks vs Bronzong or Weavile. Starmie and Mence help a little, although Starmie is basically just good for Psyshocking Venusaur at that point. The real cause for concern is just several strong Fire-types wearing you down.

Rotom-w - Yeah this thing just crushes you

Scizor - This should be obvious. U-Turn can just punish you, it doesn't fear Gengar, Weavile, or Starmie at all, and Mence hates Bullet Punch. Tentacruel once again has to carry the load (AND has to hope for a burn to stop it at some point, but you'll likely have lost 2 mons to Scizor by the time Scizor is actually sticking in on Tentacruel)

Volcarona - Like vs many teams, this thing can get really annoying quickly because Tentacruel and Gengar quickly become useless. When your SRer is just butchered by it, it's usually not coming in with 50% health ever, requiring you to get a good shot on it. Mence's nature certainly doesn't make taking +1 Fire Blasts appealing, and Starmie's best attack is Psyshock or to Trick it (Trick does nothing though, you'll have simply lost Starmie and then be taking +1 Bug Buzzes which is awful)

It's a tough mixture of things to defend against, but certainly not impossible. At the very least, a bulkier Dragonite over Salamence helps vs Sun teams, Rotom-w, and Volcarona and you could opt to do a few different things when using it such as a Mixed Roost set. If you're really against that, just try Roost on Salamence to help it's survival rate.

Past that, consider trying a something unique such as Gastrodon of your own over Starmie - Perhaps a Life Orbed Surf/Hidden Power Grass/Earth Power/Recover set (throw Ice Beam in there if you like). Weavile and Bronzong already cover Dragons, Keldeo is already handled by The Dragon + Tentacruel, and Gastrodon provides a pretty good backup counter to Rotom-w, Gastrodon, Jolteon, Starmie, etc. And if they have something like HP Grass Jolteon in a meta dominated by Gliscor and Landorus compared to Gastrodon and Swampert atm, well then, I guess you weren't gonna win that one anyway lol.

It also makes Scizor slightly more manageable if you give it a little bit of Bulk to Recover. Or you could try something like Breloom, which deals with Gastro, Rotom-w, and can threaten Jolteon and Scizor with Mach Punch. There might be other options too but I don't wanna change the team too much to accommodate them:[

edit: I forgot to mention this, but Low Kick is much better than Brick Break! Weavile's Low Kick can actually help a lot vs Heatran, TTar, Terrakion, Keldeo, and most importantly Scizor for more damage.
 
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Cool team! Gengar is certainly a very versatile pokemon, and can handle many threats by itself because of its immunities. Your team looks a bit weak to Volt Turn, since Scizor totally wrecks you and Rotom can VoltSwitch around without a problem. I think your weak link is Starmie- as a fast revenge killer with a different set of weaknesses can definitely be found. The problem with Starmie is, it's relatively weak, and it's typing just adds another Electric / Ghost / Dark weak Pokemon to your team. However, the threats Starmie does handle are quite numerous- DDancers and Terrakion are major- but most other counters you named- such as Keldeo or Landorus- can be handled by others. Because your team's attackers are largely special, some bulky special walls like SpDef Jirachi, SpDef Tyranitar, SpDef Skarmory, and Chansey / Blissey could be problematic. It is a lot of stuff to cover, so I think a bit of tweaks can be made to other teammembers too. To start off, I think a Pokemon you could try over Starmie is one from a total opposite spectrum- Techniloom. (sorry to mess up the colors)

Breloom @ Life Orb
Jolly / 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Spore / Mach Punch / Swords Dance / Bullet Seed

Loom is a great answer to most of the threats I listed for you. It has an awesome tool in Spore that will be useful in shutting down walls- especially SpDef Tyranitar switch ins or any other slower Steels such as Ferro / Forre. It has a lot of power, too- with Mach Punch, it can easily rip holes through the blobs, and do a lot of damage to Jirachi. Bullet Seed is awesome, as it gives your team much needed coverage against bulky water types such as Rotom, Jellicent, Vaporeon, Politoed, or even Suicune. Mach Punch's priority hits Terrakion and Tyranitar extremely hard, and can be used when the two get a bit out of hand. The only downside to Loom is that it's weak to Tornadus and Dragons- however, you've got Weavile, the perfect answer to all of them.

The only other change I'd make is Life Orb over Sash in Weavile. Because Weavile is more of a hit and run lead / revenge killer, I think immediate power would be more useful to secure the KO in certain threats. Weavile's already quite weak to hazards, and your Tentacruel is being used to handle a lot of other threats, so against fast paced teams you may not always be able to spin. Life Orb on the other hand trades some security for power and the ability to kill Dragons, Ttar, and Psychics.

Awesome
 
Hi jmurdah617-rougue!

I look at your team and I can see you are pretty weak to Electric types so I suggest you put Latias LOTank over Scarfmie, you can take electric types attacks and RK them, latias can wall Landorus RP, KeldeoCM, Thundurus-T, Rotom-W, Jolteon, Ninetales and can lure scizor with HP Fire, and is a good option against RDTeams and SunnyTeams.

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Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Roost

I hope I can help you.
 
Threats:




Rotom-w - QUOTE]
Bronzong can switch into Specs thunderbolts.

Scizor isn't a threat. Tentacruel stops everything it throws at it, and it usually only helps power up my Mence when I expect it to switch in.

Physically Defensive Gastrodon IS a threat, but only if Mence doesn't have a single boost. Gengar has handeled them quite well.
I haven't encountered any offensive ones (or at least they haven't had the chance to prove they are), that's where the toxic spikes in fact are my only response.

Bronzong can take about 4 Spec-boosted thunderbolts from Jolteon.
I know it because I've safely placed a Lagging Tail on it several times.

Volcorona and Ninetales are both 2HKO'd by Weavile's Night Slash. They've never proved to be a threat, because either rocks and spikes are up, or they're in too early and face doom at expecting a switch out on Weavile's part. NOT happening.
 
which jolteon are staying in vs bronzong if their specs tbolts are a 4hko as you say? im not gonna bother calcing but assuming you're right, wouldnt they want to switch out their jolteon to one of bronzongs 100 answers and then just come back in again? i guess if you feel you can get away with sr + zong outlasting jolteon, go for it.

actually its the defensive version of gastrodon vs this team with scald/recover that hurts you heavily, i dont really see gengar dealing with it outside of sdef drops

ninetales isnt a threat by itself but because of sun it is a huge threat lol - have fun taking on darmanitan flare blitz in sun or w/e ridiculous attack the sun team decides to spam vs you

go ahead and use weavile as your volcarona counter, i guess with answers like that this team has no weakness ;___;
 
actually its the defensive version of gastrodon vs this team with scald/recover that hurts you heavily, i dont really see gengar dealing with it outside of sdef drops

ninetales isnt a threat by itself but because of sun it is a huge threat lol - have fun taking on darmanitan flare blitz in sun or w/e ridiculous attack the sun team decides to spam vs you

go ahead and use weavile as your volcarona counter, i guess with answers like that this team has no weakness ;___;

Gastrodon is a pain. And is only taken care of through Toxic Stalling,
I can't do much or fit in a grass move. Help? :/

As far as Volcorona, I know it's something to scoff at, but take my word for it!:p The sash will always ensure two hits. You also have to consider Volcorona loves setting up on Weavile, only expanding my opportunity to land a 2HKO. This is the sole reason my Weavile is Adamant and not Jolly.

Once Darmanitan exposes it lacks a Scarf(Already mentioned to be a threat) It will always be outsped by Mence.
 
Gastrodon is a pain. And is only taken care of through Toxic Stalling,
I can't do much or fit in a grass move. Help? :/

As far as Ninetales, I know it's something to scoff at, but takes my word for it!:p

Once Darmanitan exposes it lacks a Scarf(Already mentioned to be a threat) It will always be outsped by Mence.

My suggest to check Gastrodon is using Giga Drain over thunderbolt on Gengar set.

Calm 212 HP / 52 SpDef Gastrodon take around of 80.8% - 95.2% Giga Drain's Gengar.

Calm 252 HP / 252 SpDef Gastrodon take around of 63.8% - 75.1% Giga Drain's Gengar.
 
Hi jmurdah617-rougue!



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Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Roost

I hope I can help you.
I really like this and can see it fitting the team! But I have to keep in mind everything Scarfmie covers (Which I now highlighted in blue)

I could give it a try, but the popular Scarfed dragons are going to walk all over me.
 
I really like this and can see it fitting the team! But I have to keep in mind everything Scarfmie covers (Which I now highlighted in blue)

I could give it a try, but the popular Scarfed dragons are going to walk all over me.

If you want preserve the RKiller for that threats I suggest you put ScarfKeldeo over Tentacruel. Tentacruel don't help you a lot, if you want to be more dangerous. Also Latias can take Bounce or StoneEdge to DDGyara and kill it with Psychock or Draco Meteor after SR damage.

Keldeo@Choice Scarf | Justified
Nature Timid | 252 SpA / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
Hydro Pump / Hidden Power Ice / Secret Sword / Surf
 
Hi jmurdah617-rougue!

I look at your team and I can see you are pretty weak to Electric types so I suggest you put Latias LOTank over Scarfmie, you can take electric types attacks and RK them, latias can wall Landorus RP, KeldeoCM, Thundurus-T, Rotom-W, Jolteon, Ninetales and can lure scizor with HP Fire, and is a good option against RDTeams and SunnyTeams.

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Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Roost

I hope I can help you.

Well. Is not that the set but the idea was right.
He should use 72Hp/184Satk/252spd. With this Ev spread can counter Scarfkeldeo and won t Ohko by sludge bomb +2 of Venusaur, it doesn t need Hidden power fire, so Surf in place of it.
I d suggest to replace Dragonite or Gyarados instead of Weavile. That s mainly because you have a lot of trouble against bug type pokemons such as Scizor or Volcarona. My suggestion is to use DDance or Bandnite, so you don t lose access to good priority move.
 
I hate having to say this, but I don't know where the whole Bug weakness ever arose from (are any of you reading the threat list?)
I think I also mentioned I play by Item clause because that's how I always will play, so another scarf doesn't fit. This also means that all scarf Pokemon will pose a threat until I figure out who is holding it, the Defensive core of Zong+Tenta take care of that.

I'm replacing Tbolt for Giga Drain. All of you have my vote on that.
Thanks!
 
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