Poison Ivy Stall

[Limitedxinfinity]

Poison Ivy Stall Team!
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Toxic + Seed​

Hi! I'm pretty new to this, so I thought I'd give this a shot.
This team is VERY stall-based, so I'm not sure if it'll be effective with all the powerful wallbreakers and sweepers running around nowadays. Any feedback is welcome!

So here's the team at a glance:

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP, 240 Def, 16 Spe
Nature: Bold
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Ice Beam

This is the typical tentacruel set with T-spikes and Spin. I added Giga drain as an option to increase its survivability, as it is a stalling team. Not sure if it's recommended over surf, though. The 16 speed is for taking care of Breloom. With T-spikes, tentacruel is able to set the rest of the battle up by making sure the opponent's pokes are toxic poisoned. It can also take out other leads like aerodactyl if they overpredict by using taunt.

Throh @ Leftovers
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Hp, 252 S.Def
Nature: Careful
- Circle Throw
- Bulk Up
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

The phazer. Also a sleep absorber. With maximum bulk in S.Def, Throh will be very durable with bulk up and rest/sleep talk. His only move is circle throw, so his purpose is very straightforward. While asleep, he'll gain the guts boost, which makes him a moderate threat physically. This is my main Ferrothorn/TTar counter. He will have trouble with ghosts, but I have a poke picked out to deal with ghosts that I will address later. The one problem I'm faced with is whether or not I should keep rest on there. Stone edge would be my other option, and it would be my only rock type move on the team. As a stalling team, I feel like durability is valued more...but at the same time, not having a rock move on my team may be a problem.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP, 28 Atk, 228 Def
Nature: Impish
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Earthquake
- Shadow Sneak

I chose dusknoir over jellicent as a spin blocker because of its offensive capabilities and its ability to dominate other ghost types. It also doesn't fear starmie. I prefer dusknoir over eviolite duscops because the leftovers recovery just seems more valuable. Shadow sneak with Dusknoir's base 100 Attack should be strong enough to take out other ghosts that would try to beat out dusknoir with shadow ball. The rest of the set is pretty standard and self-explanatory.

Jumpluff @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 188 Def, 68 S.Def, 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- U-Turn
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Aromatherapy

The "cleric" and annoyer of the team. Jumpluff is my subseeder while also carrying aromatherapy to prevent my stallers from being statused. I put on U-turn instead of encore in case Tyranitar comes in and tries to trap with pursuit, which I believe a substitute won't survive and protect me from getting owned on switch-out. The EV spread was taken from D/P, and I'm not sure if they should be adjusted/updated.
I chose jumpluff over whimsicott because of aromatherapy.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP, 252 S.Def
IVs: 0 Spe
Nature: Sassy
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

Ferrothorn is great for setting up SR and spikes while giving the opponent residual damage from physical attacks, further wearing them down. I slashed leech seed and protect because this ferrothorn is ridiculously resilient. However, I'm not sure if it's worth losing SR and putting on leech seed (illegal together?).
Also, I'm not quite sure why people transfer 48 EVs from S.Def to Def...?

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP, 252 S.Def
Nature: Careful
- Yawn
- Wish
- Baton Pass
- Protect

Umbreon is my favorite wish passer. Its bulk makes it so that it's hard for most other pokes to 2HKO it, allowing it to wish and heal itself. Though I don't have any stat-uppers on this team, I have this as a mean look passer in case I trap in a blissey or a wall that can't hurt ferrothorn, allowing me to set up three layers of spikes with little or no resistance. Protect is to guarantee wish to work. Yawn is also an option.



So this is my team. Many flaws, I'm sure. I might be trying to do too much, but I felt like trying something slightly out there. I hope you liked this team!​

 

[CheezyMoon]

You need to take out the slashes. You should've decided the moves BEFORE posting. But anyway, Baton Pass Mean Look doesn't work anymore. When you go 252 / 252 in a pokemon, you still have 4 EVs left to distribute (Umbreon, Throh, Ferrothorn)

Blissey would make a better cleric(but you lose SubSeed, but you gain MUCH more bulk and still have Ferro for Seeding), but you would have 3 fighting weaknesses, and 3 resists/immunties, so I think you should take off Umbreon and replace him with a Gyarados. Here's sets for the both of them:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock

Adds a wish passer, since Umbreon gets replaced, and a cleric obviously. If you put SR on Blissey, you get to keep Leech seed on Ferro


Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Dragon Tail / Roar
- Waterfall

Another phazer and sleep absorber, and Throh and Gyarados form a nice combo actually now that I think about it. Roar is more reliable and deals with Substitute users, but Dragon Tail isn't affected by Taunt.

 

[Limitedxinfinity]

You need to take out the slashes. You should've decided the moves BEFORE posting. But anyway, Baton Pass Mean Look doesn't work anymore. When you go 252 / 252 in a pokemon, you still have 4 EVs left to distribute (Umbreon, Throh, Ferrothorn)

Blissey would make a better cleric(but you lose SubSeed, but you gain MUCH more bulk and still have Ferro for Seeding), but you would have 3 fighting weaknesses, and 3 resists/immunties, so I think you should take off Umbreon and replace him with a Gyarados. Here's sets for the both of them:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock

Adds a wish passer, since Umbreon gets replaced, and a cleric obviously. If you put SR on Blissey, you get to keep Leech seed on Ferro


Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Dragon Tail / Roar
- Waterfall

Another phazer and sleep absorber, and Throh and Gyarados form a nice combo actually now that I think about it. Roar is more reliable and deals with Substitute users, but Dragon Tail isn't affected by Taunt.

Thanks for the input! I didn't add the extra 4 evs because I don't think they'll really make a difference where they are.
Mean look passing doesn't work anymore? Dang that's really depressing

 

[GreasyPanda]

This is pretty good, but I wouldn't definately take the blissey suggestion. Other than that its very good.

 

[GreenWater10]

In the description, it says tentacreul has giga drain. i don't see it on the moveset. This is also a problem some of the other pokemon you've posted. I was really lost.

Keep stealth rocks on Ferrothorn. It's the only Pokemon that you have that can use it.

I notice all your pokemon are holding Leftovers. Here are some items worth considering:
switch dusknoir to dusclops and make it hold evolite
lum berry
rocky helmet on ferrothorn

With Umbreon and Ferrothorn, like GreasyPanda said, don't use Blissey.

With umbreon, you said it's hard to 2HKO. Then why do you have yawn and baton pass? Theres nothing to baton pass. You can do one of the following things:
Keep Baton Pass and replace yawn with snatch/ psych up (snatch/ psych up opponent's stat boosts and baton pass to any team member)
Keep Yawn and replace Baton Pass with Nighmare (make opponent sleep and in 4 turns, they die, if they don't switch)
Have toxic and another move. (confuse ray, curse (heal by using wish+protect), sunny day (makes Jumpluff faster and gets rid of current weather)) i bet most people who reads this will take this advice out of the three, just because the other two aren't commonly used.

 

[Prankster]

Tyranitar will pursuit you even if you U-turn.. I suggest keeping encore because it screws with other walls and helps you get a sub