Possible VGC team for next year! (Tailwind + Rain Dance)

Admiral Kuzan

formerly MavsObbession
Team At A Glance
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IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLEASE RATE IT!!!!!

Hey, what's up guys. I've been making a Rain Dance team with Tailwind support the last couple of weeks. You might be thinking, "Why does he have three Pokemon that are banned in the VGC?" Well, remember last year's VGC? (2010). They let us use some ubers that were banned in the year before that (2009). For a better explanation here were the Pokemon qualifications from last year's VGC:

During battle, a player's team of four Pokémon may not have more than two Pokémon from the list below. A player's Team Information Sheet may contain up to four Pokémon from the list below, as long as two non-restricted Pokémon are also listed on the sheet.
150 - Mewtwo
249 - Lugia
250 - Ho-Oh
382 - Kyogre
383 - Groudon
384 - Rayquaza
483 - Dialga
484 - Palkia
487 - Giratina​

It's possible next year they'll also allow Zekrom, Reshiram, and Kyurem. Anyway, now on to the team.....


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Downpour (Kyorge) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Water Spout
- Surf
- Thunder
- Ice Beam

Choice Scarf can outspeed almost every Pokemon, and with Tailwind support he'll be fastest pokemon on the field. (I'm not exaggerating.) STAB Water Spout with rain support will have a deadly 300 base power with full HP, giving Kyorge the ability to OHKO many Pokemon on turn one suck as Terrakion, the Genies, Groudon, Ho-oh, etc. Surf has good coverage just like Water Spout, it has STAB, and even if it does hit my Pokemon, it won't do much because of its Pokemon type. Thunder has 100% accuracy in Rain, and Ice Beam will take care of my Dragon and Grass weakness.

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Cloud (Thundurus) @ Electric Gem
Ability: Prankster
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Thunder
- Rain Dance
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

Thundurus is blessed with the Prankster ability, and I want to use it to my advantage. STAB Thunder with Electric Gem has a base power of 240, which is pretty strong. You might be thinking, "Why Rain Dance?" Well if another weather condition comes along, I DO NOT want to switch out Kyorge because it wastes a turn. Rain Dance will set up first and I won't have to worry about another weather condition. Not many Pokemon carry Mental Herb in the VGC. Taunt can stop TR teams, Whimsicotts, opposing Genies, etc. Thunder Wave will cripple fast Pokes, so I can outspeed them easily.

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Boreas (Tornadus) @ Flight Gem
Ability: Prankster
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Hurricane
- Tailwind
- Taunt
- Substitute

The twin of Thundurus has many counterparts of Thundurus' moves, including Hurricane. Just like Thunder, Hurricane has 100% accuracy in rain. The only difference is that Hurricane causes confusion instead of paralysis. People like to use Acrobatics, but Hurricane is stronger. Tornadus' Atk and SpA base stats are the same, so Hurricane is the better choice. STAB Hurricane has 240 base power with Flight Gem, just like Thunder. Of course Tailwind will make my Pokemon extremely fast, even though they already are. Tailwind will let my Pokemon outspeed +2 Terrakion, and many others. I know I already have a Pokemon using Taunt, but this is just in case Thundurus is down and out in a situation where I need Taunt. Subsitute is pretty obvious. It really annoys people sometimes, which is useful.

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Meteor (Palkia) @ Haban Berry
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Spacial Rend
- Thunder
- Surf
- Earth Power

Palkia is really powerful with Kyorge support, especially because it has dual STAB's. Spacial Rend can OHKO the strong Dragon-types with a chance of a critical hit. Thunder is obvious, as I've explained it a lot, and Surf has good coverage, and is powerful with rain support and STAB, OHKO'ing Terrakion, Groundon, Chandelure, Ho-oh, and many others. Dual Surfs with Kyorge and Palkia can be very deadly, too. Earth Power takes care of my Electric-type weakness. Palkia can counter almost any attack, and has the ability to throw back an OHKO.

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Dragoon (Kingdra) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Modest
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Surf
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Despite Kingdra's poor movepool, I managed get some pretty good moves. STAB Surf is deadly with a dual Surf with Kyorge or Palkia, causing massive damage. Kingdra's speed is doubled in Rain because of Swift Swim, and it can OHKO opposing Dragon-types first with Draco Meteor. Kingdra's stats are pretty solid and well distributed, also. Ice Beam can stop Dragon and Flying-types, 2HKO'ing them or OHKO'ing them. Protect can be useful, but I'm not sure that's the best move I can use for Kingdra. If you any suggestions with a replacement move for Protect, I'd appreciate it. But of course, Kingdra has dual STAB's and can counter many many Pokemon.


EDIT:
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Goomba (Amoonguss) @ Leftovers
Ability: Effect Spore
Nature: Calm
EV's: 252 HP/160 SpD/40 Def/52 Spe

- Spore
- Protect
- Rage Powder
- Giga Drain

Hopefully there will be a team preview in the VGC next year, because if Kyorge is one of my leads, and I see a HUGE threat like Ludicolo, Amoonguss can Rage Powder so a possible Grass Knot won't kill my Kyorge. Spore will allow my Pokemon freedom to attack, and just in case there is Taunter, Giga Drain is there so Amoonguss won't be completely overpowered. Protect is just to obviously protect my Amoonguss from a threat while my other Pokemon kills the threat. Special thanks to Wildfire, I did not realize Ludicolo was a huge threat, and others.

Failed Pokemon:

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Wavecade (Lugia) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Calm Mind
- Aeroblast
- Roost/Recover
- Weather Ball


EDIT: If anyone can give me a threat list for my team, that'd be great.
 
Team At A Glance


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Downpour (Kyorge) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Water Spout
- Surf
- Thunder
- Ice Beam

Choice Scarf can outspeed almost every Pokemon, and with Tailwind support he'll be fastest pokemon on the field. (I'm not exaggerating.) STAB Water Spout with rain support will have a deadly 300 base power with full HP, giving Kyorge the ability to OHKO many Pokemon on turn one suck as Terrakion, the Genies, Groudon, Ho-oh, etc. Surf has good coverage just like Water Spout, it has STAB, and even if it does hit my Pokemon, it won't do much because of its Pokemon type. Thunder has 100% accuracy in Rain, and Ice Beam will take care of my Dragon and Grass weakness.

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Cloud (Thundurus) @ Electric Gem
Ability: Prankster
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Thunder
- Rain Dance
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

Thundurus is blessed with the Prankster ability, and I want to use it to my advantage. STAB Thunder with Electric Gem has a base power of 240, which is pretty strong. You might be thinking, "Why Rain Dance?" Well if another weather condition comes along, I DO NOT want to switch out Kyorge because it wastes a turn. Rain Dance will set up first and I won't have to worry about another weather condition. Not many Pokemon carry Mental Herb in the VGC. Taunt can stop TR teams, Whimsicotts, opposing Genies, etc. Thunder Wave will cripple fast Pokes, so I can outspeed them easily.

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Boreas (Tornadus) @ Flight Gem
Ability: Prankster
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Hurricane
- Tailwind
- Taunt
- Substitute

The twin of Thundurus has many counterparts of Thundurus' moves, including Hurricane. Just like Thunder, Hurricane has 100% accuracy in rain. The only difference is that Hurricane causes confusion instead of paralysis. People like to use Acrobatics, but Hurricane is stronger. Tornadus' Atk and SpA base stats are the same, so Hurricane is the better choice. STAB Hurricane has 240 base power with Flight Gem, just like Thunder. Of course Tailwind will make my Pokemon extremely fast, even though they already are. Tailwind will let my Pokemon outspeed +2 Terrakion, and many others. I know I already have a Pokemon using Taunt, but this is just in case Thundurus is down and out in a situation where I need Taunt. Subsitute is pretty obvious. It really annoys people sometimes, which is useful.

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Meteor (Palkia) @ Haban Berry
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Spacial Rend
- Thunder
- Surf
- Earth Power

Palkia is really powerful with Kyorge support, especially because it has dual STAB's. Spacial Rend can OHKO the strong Dragon-types with a chance of a critical hit. Thunder is obvious, as I've explained it a lot, and Surf has good coverage, and is powerful with rain support and STAB, OHKO'ing Terrakion, Groundon, Chandelure, Ho-oh, and many others. Dual Surfs with Kyorge and Palkia can be very deadly, too. Earth Power takes care of my Electric-type weakness. Palkia can counter almost any attack, and has the ability to throw back an OHKO.

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Dragoon (Kingdra) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Modest
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- Surf
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Despite Kingdra's poor movepool, I managed get some pretty good moves. STAB Surf is deadly with a dual Surf with Kyorge or Palkia, causing massive damage. Kingdra's speed is doubled in Rain because of Swift Swim, and it can OHKO opposing Dragon-types first with Draco Meteor. Kingdra's stats are pretty solid and well distributed, also. Ice Beam can stop Dragon and Flying-types, 2HKO'ing them or OHKO'ing them. Protect can be useful, but I'm not sure that's the best move I can use for Kingdra. If you any suggestions with a replacement move for Protect, I'd appreciate it. But of course, Kingdra has dual STAB's and can counter many many Pokemon.

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Wavecade(Good nickname?) (Lugia) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Timid
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
- Calm Mind
- Aeroblast
- Roost/Recover
- Weather Ball

Lugia has very high defensive stats making it really hard to take down. Calm Mind can boost my defenses, while powering up Weather Ball and Aeroblast for damage. Aeroblast is a STAB move that has near-perfect accuracy, and can kill the annoying Grass-types like Whimsicott, Serperior, and Abomasnow.
Roost or Recover can really annoy the opponent. Just when they can take down Lugia, he heals. Weather Ball has a 100 base power in Rain, while being Water-type. I want to use all my Pokes moves in Rain to my advantage, that's why I want to use Weather Ball.

So yeah, that's my team. Please rate if you are reading this. I'm okay with criticism, just don't be too harsh or hate. Thanks for reading!

EDIT: If anyone can give me a threat list for my team, that'd be great.

Just my own thought, in vgc 2010 you were allowed 6 pokemon. 2 of them were ubers so if there are ubers in vgc 2012, there would probably be two again.


Kyogre, while being scarfted, is very vulnerable to other scarfers or swift swimers. There is nothing stoping ludicolo from using grass knot on kyogre. Kingdra might be able to outspeed ludicolo, but it won't kill it. The best option is to have a follow me or anger powder user. Amoongus or parasect would be good because they resist or absorb surf, and rain reduces fire's damage. They also function well in trick room.

Your team does not handle tr very well. In vgc, walls and stall is not the best option because it's a very fast metagame. Parasect and amoongus should replace it. Also, like I said before, I doubt that there would be 3 ubers to a team.

Parasect or Amoongus:

Calm/Careful @ Sitrus
252 hp, 200 sp.d, 52 speed
Spore
Protect
Anger Powder
Giga drain/ X-scissor

(giga drain only for amoongus, x-sxissor only for parasect)
 
I appreciate your feedback, but how can I handle TR? I barely lost in the top 16 last year to the eventual champ who used a TR team.
 
Come on now guys. If you're going to read this, you should rate it. It kinda feels like some of you are stealing my ideas for this team. Bump.
 
Why speculating the rules now?? I personally think they're just gonna let the rest of the gens in, also exluding ubers.

Use protect with Palkia. Nuff said.
 
A decent team, there are a few flaws with it as I read over it make sure you check your team, all your moves and all the EVs
 
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