Potentially the best team ever...

[Ninjarabian]

Potentially the best team ever... ever made by me that is! First off, I'd like to say that this team has taken lots of time, as has the post and all the calculations, so I care what you have to think, or I wouldn't have spent all the time posting this here. Please feel free to put in any input and I'll concider it all. Changes showed in Bold.

Without further ado, here's the team I've created:​

The Overview

Overall, it has very solid typing. If you look at the calculators, it has no more than 2 weaknesses to a type and every type is resisted atleast once.​

Individuals​

Thrown Rock
Item: Focus Sash
Nature: Lonely
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/220 Spe/38 SpA

Type: Rock/Flying
Weaknesses: Rock, Steel, Water, Electric, Ice
Resists: Normal, Flying, Bug, Fire, Ground(0x)

Moves:
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Stealth Rock
~Fire Blast

Analysis:
Another R/B/Y favorite of mine. Took this set directly off of the Smogon Dex. Stone Edge becomes a powerful STAB, Earthquake is for those steel and electric types, Stealth Rock is for being awesome with, and Fire Blast is for Skarmory and Forretress. Adamant nature makes it a little slower than most, but is necessary for this thing to pack a punch. Focus Sash so he can do some damage, even after he gets Stealth Rocks set up.
Spanky
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA/78 Spe/180 Atk

Type: Psychic
Weaknesses: Bug, Ghost, Dark
Resists: Fighting, Psychic

Moves:
~Psychic
~Grass Knot
~Super Power
~Ice Beam

Analysis:This thing is quick. It's basically my only counter for Scarfchomp, and it only Revenge Kills it. Psychic is for STAB because I already have a BoltBeamer. Grass Knot is for those lame Ground/Waters.
Death Star
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/ 6 HP

Type: Water/Psychic
Weaknesses: Bug, Ghost, Grass, Electric, Dark
Resists: Fighting, Steel, Fire, Water, Psychic, Ice

Moves:
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Thunder Bolt
~Recover

Analysis:
Ever since R/B/Y, Starmie has been my favorite special sweeper, and with the addition of Life Orb, it only got that much better. Surf is a reliable STAB that puts dents in most things that aren't special walls. Ice Beam and Thunderbolt complete the BoltBeam combo which is feared by so many. It's base 115 Speed lets it outspeed and OHKO alot. It's biggest fear; Weavile.

An U-Bus
Item: Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP

Type: Fighting/Steel
Weaknesses: Fighting, Ground, Fire
Resists: Normal, Poison(0x), Rock(2x), Bug(2x), Ghost, Steel, Grass, Ice, Dragon, Dark (2x)

Moves:
~Aura Sphere
~Vacuum Wave
~Dark Pulse
~Dragon Pulse

Analysis:
One of the new guys. I usually try to keep away from pokemon as common as this, but he fit in on my team so well that I couldn't deny him. Choice Specs are for the complete ownageness of almost everything. Vacuum Wave is to kill Weavile, who otherwise gives this team huge problems. Aura Sphere 2HKOs Blissey, and Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse probably won't get used much, but they will devastate their target if they don't switch out.

Mr. Misty
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe

Type: Ice
Weaknesses: Fighting, Rock, Steel, Fire
Resists: Ice

Moves:
~Ice Beam
~Charge Beam
~Rest
~Sleep Talk

Analysis:
Wow, look at that horribly typing. It's a shame that Regice's 200 base Special Defense can't be put to good use more often. Ice Beam is for STAB and Charge Beam is for more Special Attack. Rest and Sleep Talk because I needed a good status absorber on my team.

Immune
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/68 Atk/168 Def

Type: Ground/Flying
Weaknesses: Ice(4x), Water
Resists: Fighting, Poison, Ground(0x), Bug, Electric(0x)

Moves:
~Earthquake
~Ice Fang
~Aerial Ace
~Roost

Analysis:
I noticed that I might have a slight Heracross weak early in my team, so I decided then to throw this guy in. Earthquake is for STAB and to deal some nice damage to everything that doesn't resist it. Ice Fang is for those pesky Dragons, and Aerial Ace is for Heracross and Breloom. Roost is, of course, to recover.

The Weaknesses
**Immune/2x resist/resist/weak/2xweak/**​

Normal: 0/0/2/0/0​

Fire: 0/0/2/2/0
Water: 0/0/1/2/0
Electric: 1/0/0/2/0
Grass: 0/0/1/1/0
Ice: 0/0/3/1/1
Fighting: 0/0/3/2/0
Poison:1/0/2/0/0
Ground: 2/0/0/1/0
Flying: 0/0/1/0/0
Psychic: 0/0/2/0/0
Bug: 0/1/2/2/0
Rock: 0/1/0/2/0
Ghost: 0/0/1/2/0
Dragon: 0/0/1/0/0
Dark: 0/1/0/2/0
Steel: 0/0/2/2/0

No real concerns there, looks pretty good to me.

Threat List​

Garchomp: umm... bad way to start off the threat list... but I don't see any counters for a Life Orbed Garchomp... uh oh. I have a few revenge killers though, luckily.​

Blissey: Lucario

Gengar: Regice

Gyarados: I have no pokemon that fit the definition of "counter" for a DD-Dos, but Starmie can switch in on the DD and kill it.

Tyranitar: Gliscor

Lucario: Gliscor for Physical Lucario... Gulp... for Choice Specs...

Heatran: Starmie or Lucario, depending on which attack is coming.

Metagross: Gliscor

Salamence: Starmie or Regice, depending on which move is coming.

Bronzong: Aerodactyl

Infernape: Starmie or Gliscor

Swampert: Don't think I have a counter... Deoxys revenge Kills

Weavile: Lucario if I read the right attack.

Skarmory: Aerodactyl, Lucario

Forretress: Aerodactyl, Lucario

Gliscor: Starmie

Cresselia: Regice can get into a stall war with it...

Starmie: Regice

Breloom:Gliscor

Heracross: Gliscor

Togekiss: Regice

Celebi: Regice

Hippowdon: Most I can do is Revenge Kill it I think.. he'll be a pain.

Azelf: Regice

Dusknoir: Nothing really...

Snorlax: Lucario if it doesn't have Earthquake

Jirachi: Aerodactyl

Suicune: Regice is all I got.

Vaporeon: Regice is all I got

Porygon Z: Lucario

Electrivire: Gliscor if it doesn't have HP Ice, if it does, I dunno

Machamp: Gliscor

Zapdos: Regice

Yanmega: Regice

Ninjask: Nothing good

Alakazam: Regice

Aerodactyl: Gliscor

Rhyperior: Starmie is the closest thing to a counter

Tangrowth: Regice is Special, Gliscor if physical

EEKS! That's a bad looking counter list. I'll either have to work on that or get over it.


Current Record:
6-0

 

[Aipom]

only thing I reccomend:
Remove Fire blast from Aerodactyl and add Fire fang.
Then move the Sp. Att EV's to attack.

And on Lucario may i suggest Extremespeed over Bullet Punch?

 

[Phoenix_21]

Obviously alot of thought has been put into this team, but IMO you should switch Regice out for something else, in large part because it is your main special wall and it gets destroyed by SpecLuke - Aura Sphere is a 2HKO to a 252HP/252 sp.def Calm Regice, and yours has nowhere near that much special defence.

I'd replace it with a special defence orientated Zapdos with either the Roost or Resttalk set. Its weak to Stealth Rock, but hell so is Regice. Also it counters stuff like Yanmega (especially the sleep talk Zapdos), Suicune and Vaporeon better than Regice too.

 

[froggy25]

This team greatly needs a spinner *_*

 

[Luphrous]

Alright, you put a bit of effort into this, so I'll try to do the same.
Firstly, on Deoxys, I'd suggest T-bolt over Knock Off. You won't be surviving many attacks, so you probably want to do as much as you can in that time. With T-bolt, you get a back up counter to Gyarados, as well as just good coverage in general. That said, if you want to keep Knock Off, by all means keep it, getting rid of a Choice Item/Leftovers can be just as helpful.
For Lucario, I think you need Life Orb. I've never even used SD Luke myself, but I'm pretty sure it needs the boost in order to achieve all those OHKO's on physical walls. Also, I'd go with ExtremeSpeed over SE. Having Bullet Punch leaves quite a few things faster than you walling you, but ExtremeSpeed can hit them hard.
I'm not sure if you wanna use Regice. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool poke and can do a great job, but the SR weakness and Fighting weakness just kill it in my opinion. Not sure who to replace with though. A special defense oriented Zapdos leaves you rather open to Ice attacks..
On Gliscor, get rid of that BrightPower for some Leftovers. The extra health is always welcome, and to be honest hax items are really frowned upon in competitive matches..

 

[redplayer]

You can put Choice specs and Grass knot in your starmie, so you can pass the Life orb to Lucario and counter better Swampert, Rhyperior and Garchomp a little.
If you want a mix dactyl he needs Hasty nature

 

[Evisu]

Your entire threat list is basically, Regice and Gliscor; after they die then what do you do?

Getting tired of seeing my threat list -_-

 

[Ninjarabian]

only thing I reccomend:
Remove Fire blast from Aerodactyl and add Fire fang.
Then move the Sp. Att EV's to attack.

And on Lucario may i suggest Extremespeed over Bullet Punch?

Umm... 252 is the most attack EVs you can have... and Yes, you could, but I like the coverage Bullet Punch gets on Ghosts, as it OHKOs Gengar with Stealth Rock's help

 

[Ninjarabian]

Your entire threat list is basically, Regice and Gliscor; after they die then what do you do?

Getting tired of seeing my threat list -_-

I don't know

And "your" threatlist? so no one but you has the right to use sprites beside the pokemon's name? I copied that from my old post.

Also, Luphrous, thanks for all the input, but I'm lame and follow the item clause =( It's kinda my thing. I like how it makes the game more complex.

 

[Cynthia]

I'm really not sure about a deo-e set that involves support over attack moves. Its defenses are pretty bad and using support moves is kind of a waste of its speed. I would at least drop Knock Off for Tbolt, Glicor could use SR better I think.

Your team is rather weak to Weavile. Ice kills Gliscor and Aerodactyl, Dark kills Deo-e and Starmie, and it usually will carry Brick Break to kill Lucario/Regice. You can revenge kill it with Lucario, but you're sort of playing with fire here. I'm not exactly sure what to replace to fix this though.

 

[Ninjarabian]

I'm really not sure about a deo-e set that involves support over attack moves. Its defenses are pretty bad and using support moves is kind of a waste of its speed. I would at least drop Knock Off for Tbolt, Glicor could use SR better I think.

Your team is rather weak to Weavile. Ice kills Gliscor and Aerodactyl, Dark kills Deo-e and Starmie, and it usually will carry Brick Break to kill Lucario/Regice. You can revenge kill it with Lucario, but you're sort of playing with fire here. I'm not exactly sure what to replace to fix this though.

I could possibly switch Gliscor for Weezing, without loosing too much. Also, was thinking about that switch for Deoxys-e, thanks for confirming.

 

[junior]

You probably lack what you call bulky sweepers. Taking a look at your threat list, you don't seem to be able to fully counter some pokemons since Regice and Gliscor doesn't have enough fire-power. Your threat list is also kind of off in some areas as some of them don't actually counter..

Anyway, a great key to counter many Pokemons successfully and threaten to KO, you would usually be aiming for bulky pokemons. A lot of things does you're Starmie's job a lot better. This might sound hypocritical, seeing as I use the exact Starmie on my team, but just wait for my reasoning. It is because you already have Deoxys-E which basically does what your Starmie would do so having two pokemon doing the same job is pointless to a degree. From experience, I find that Starmie only decent as a revenge killer as it can't take hits at all, which is what Deoxys-E does.

In stating that, I would recommend a bulky special attacker to take place of it. A lot of things in your threat list that doesn't really get countered can be countered by Zapdos quite well. A Zapdos set that'll suit your team is probably something a long the lines of a bulky sweeper. This is what I personally use...

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
EVs: 188 HP, 156 Def, 164 SpA
~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power: Ice
~ Roost
~ Thunderwave/Light Screen/U-turn

This spread allows it to take a lot of hits. Although the final stat may not seem much, it is enough to take common attacks thrown around in the OU metagame. It also has enough SpA to do some slight sweeping during the process. The last moveslot is generally what you prefer. Thunderwave can help your team in obvious ways, by slowing down the opponent. It also allows you to counter Togekiss much more effectively as you won't be hindered by Air Slash's Flinch rate. Light Screen allows for better team support and lets Zapdos tank special attacks a lot better too and U-Turn is more of a filler. I would also like to mention that Adamant Gyarados with Max Attack can never OHKO with Stone Edge but absolutely no-one runs such a Gyarados. Just letting you know how bulky it is.

Zapdos also counters countless pokemons which you got the wrong idea of a 'counter; Forretress, Togekiss, Electivire, Gyarados etc. Infernape is fully countered by Zapdos while Starmie switches into it with the risk of eating Grass Knot right in its face.

Another thing you should be careful about is your lack of Physical sweepers. Heck, Aerodactyl can't sweep even if it tries because of how weak it is, as well as its inability to boost its attack. Your inability to take down Blissey is really bad. Deoxys-E can't OHKO it and neither can Aerodactyl. SpecsLuke 2HKOs it but it isn't reliable enough to take down Blissey, as they can just switch to a psychic/ghost type in their team once they realize what you're locked in. This is why I am going to recommend a very annoying physical sweeper to replace SpecsLuke, Swords Dancing Lucario. It allows you to rip through teams faster as well as having a major threat to Blissey.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ Crunch / Bullet Punch
~ Extremespeed / Bullet Punch

 

[Ninjarabian]

You probably lack what you call bulky sweepers. Taking a look at your threat list, you don't seem to be able to fully counter some pokemons since Regice and Gliscor doesn't have enough fire-power. Your threat list is also kind of off in some areas as some of them don't actually counter..

Anyway, a great key to counter many Pokemons successfully and threaten to KO, you would usually be aiming for bulky pokemons. A lot of things does you're Starmie's job a lot better. This might sound hypocritical, seeing as I use the exact Starmie on my team, but just wait for my reasoning. It is because you already have Deoxys-E which basically does what your Starmie would do so having two pokemon doing the same job is pointless to a degree. From experience, I find that Starmie only decent as a revenge killer as it can't take hits at all, which is what Deoxys-E does.

In stating that, I would recommend a bulky special attacker to take place of it. A lot of things in your threat list that doesn't really get countered can be countered by Zapdos quite well. A Zapdos set that'll suit your team is probably something a long the lines of a bulky sweeper. This is what I personally use...

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
EVs: 188 HP, 156 Def, 164 SpA
~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power: Ice
~ Roost
~ Thunderwave/Light Screen/U-turn

This spread allows it to take a lot of hits. Although the final stat may not seem much, it is enough to take common attacks thrown around in the OU metagame. It also has enough SpA to do some slight sweeping during the process. The last moveslot is generally what you prefer. Thunderwave can help your team in obvious ways, by slowing down the opponent. It also allows you to counter Togekiss much more effectively as you won't be hindered by Air Slash's Flinch rate. Light Screen allows for better team support and lets Zapdos tank special attacks a lot better too and U-Turn is more of a filler. I would also like to mention that Adamant Gyarados with Max Attack can never OHKO with Stone Edge but absolutely no-one runs such a Gyarados. Just letting you know how bulky it is.

Zapdos also counters countless pokemons which you got the wrong idea of a 'counter; Forretress, Togekiss, Electivire, Gyarados etc. Infernape is fully countered by Zapdos while Starmie switches into it with the risk of eating Grass Knot right in its face.

Another thing you should be careful about is your lack of Physical sweepers. Heck, Aerodactyl can't sweep even if it tries because of how weak it is, as well as its inability to boost its attack. Your inability to take down Blissey is really bad. Deoxys-E can't OHKO it and neither can Aerodactyl. SpecsLuke 2HKOs it but it isn't reliable enough to take down Blissey, as they can just switch to a psychic/ghost type in their team once they realize what you're locked in. This is why I am going to recommend a very annoying physical sweeper to replace SpecsLuke, Swords Dancing Lucario. It allows you to rip through teams faster as well as having a major threat to Blissey.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ Crunch / Bullet Punch
~ Extremespeed / Bullet Punch

Zapdos would give me an Ice weak or a Heracross weak, depending on who I replaced. And I tried the SD lucario and hated it.

 

[the pugilist]

Zapdos would give me an Ice weak or a Heracross weak, depending on who I replaced. And I tried the SD lucario and hated it.

Your best bet would be to replace Aero with Zapdos (zapdos is a decent lead) and just put SR on Gliscor over the useless Aerial Ace.

But the lack of phys attacks becomes worrying. So I'd place CB Swampert over Starmie to give you a decent phys attacker while in turn also helpss you with TTar.

Hope that helped!

 

[Ninjarabian]

Your best bet would be to replace Aero with Zapdos (zapdos is a decent lead) and just put SR on Gliscor over the useless Aerial Ace.

But the lack of phys attacks becomes worrying. So I'd place CB Swampert over Starmie to give you a decent phys attacker while in turn also helpss you with TTar.

Hope that helped!

Hmm.. I might concider the Zapdos swap, even though without AA I can't OHKO Breloom and Heracross.

But the Swamptar + the Zapdos is making my team WAAAAAYto tankish for my likings, I'm more of a run in, guns blaring, and hope I win kinda guy

 

[the pugilist]

Hmm.. I might concider the Zapdos swap, even though without AA I can't OHKO Breloom and Heracross.

But the Swamptar + the Zapdos is making my team WAAAAAYto tankish for my likings, I'm more of a run in, guns blaring, and hope I win kinda guy

I suggested Swampert to help with your TTar weakness, not to put TTar on there -.-. Also I suggest a CB Swampert, which is much more offensive than defensive.

 

[Ninjarabian]

I suggested Swampert to help with your TTar weakness, not to put TTar on there -.-. Also I suggest a CB Swampert, which is much more offensive than defensive.

meh, I'll leave it as is right now, maybe with Zapdos, I've been eating TTar alive right now, somehow.

 

[junior]

Zapdos would give me an Ice weak or a Heracross weak, depending on who I replaced. And I tried the SD lucario and hated it.

I wasn't recommending you to put this over Gliscor. I was suggesting Starmie the whole time lol. If you reread my post, you'll see why. Anyway Starmie is able to take a lot of Ice Beams, let alone Hidden Power: Ice anyway. Also, Zapdos is one of the better counters to Heracross... x.x;;

But yeah, Lucario is off the list then. I was just basically recommending a strong, reliable fighter so you can counter Blissey a lot more easily, seeing as you have a hard enough time already. You could always try out Machamp. Sleep Talking Machamp is probably one of the best Blissey counters as it doesn't get screwed up by Blisseys that spam Thunderwaves or Toxic. It is also annoying as fuck with its 100% confusion rate.

Otherwise, any physical fighters can work in general.

 

[Ninjarabian]

Deoxys 2HKOs Blissey too... is that not good enough?

 

[dirtybirdy]

Watch out for mismagius....only kidding, pretty sure that crit won me the match :p

I would like to see a little more special defense Ev's on regice for random calm minders and gives you something a little more reliable for choice specs hits...especially if they're super effective.

 

[Ninjarabian]

Watch out for mismagius....only kidding, pretty sure that crit won me the match :p

I would like to see a little more special defense Ev's on regice for random calm minders and gives you something a little more reliable for choice specs hits...especially if they're super effective.

Suppose I could do some massive calculations and figure out how much to give him, what moves should I calculate for?

 

[Aipom]

Umm... 252 is the most attack EVs you can have... and Yes, you could, but I like the coverage Bullet Punch gets on Ghosts, as it OHKOs Gengar with Stealth Rock's help

Woops I meant speed.

 

[Ninjarabian]

Woops I meant speed.

it's aight, but the speed it has right now outspeeds everything that it can outspeed. Any more would simply be a waste

What do y'all think of switching Weezing in for Gliscor? it'd give me a Hazer, because I've been getting owned by setup teams.

 

[Unreal Ice]

This team looks like an actual decent team in the RMT forums. (Gasp.) Stealth Rock on Aerodactyl is win. You might wanna consider rapid spin over recover for starmie.

 

[Battlerek]

Your team's pretty nice, but i see a lot of weaknesses. For one thing, Deoxys and Starmie are going to hate shadow sneak, or a protect/buzz combo from yanmega(a bit biased with the yanmega thing, but still plausible.) Trick Room teams have a great time with you, especially when foretress starts gyro balling everything in his path.( again, a bit biased, but everyone but Lucario can be 3 or 2 OHkoed by A rampaging Gyroballer, especially bug types ;) )