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Project PU Victim of the Week! Finished
- Thread starter Oathkeeper
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Checks: Scarf Skunk and Scarf Shiftry PRAISE THE SCARF DARKS
Counters: Exeggutor and Stunfisk
Counters: Exeggutor and Stunfisk
Winners
Checks
KellyKafka's
Scarf Skuntank (8 votes)
MamboTND's
AV Skuntank (6 votes)
Counters
2xTheTap's
Offensive TR Eggy-K (13 votes)
uhuhuhu7's
Type:Null (12 votes)
As usual, excellent submission folks! I am loving this revamp so far, let's keep it going.
Honorable mentions:
Week 4
This week's victim to kill is............
Primeape @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Gunk Shot / Earthquake
- U-turn
Voting begins Thursday!
Checks
KellyKafka's
MamboTND's
Counters
2xTheTap's
uhuhuhu7's
As usual, excellent submission folks! I am loving this revamp so far, let's keep it going.
Honorable mentions:
Checks
Scarf Skuntank - 8
AV Skuntank - 6
Lycanroc - 5
Persian - 3
Spiritomb - 2
Shiftry - 2
Drampa - 2
Rampardos - 2
Kecleon - 2
Counters
Exeggutor-K - 13
Type:Null - 12
Stunfisk - 9
Scarf Skuntank - 8
AV Skuntank - 6
Lycanroc - 5
Persian - 3
Spiritomb - 2
Shiftry - 2
Drampa - 2
Rampardos - 2
Kecleon - 2
Counters
Exeggutor-K - 13
Type:Null - 12
Stunfisk - 9
KellyKafka - 5
Toy Time King - 3
2xTheTap - 2
Gum - 2
Jmash324 - 2
Oathkeepre - 2
PhantomHurious - 2
Extort - 1
Katy - 1
MamboTND - 1
uhuhuhu7 - 1
Toy Time King - 3
2xTheTap - 2
Gum - 2
Jmash324 - 2
Oathkeepre - 2
PhantomHurious - 2
Extort - 1
Katy - 1
MamboTND - 1
uhuhuhu7 - 1
Week 4
This week's victim to kill is............
Primeape @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Gunk Shot / Earthquake
- U-turn
Voting begins Thursday!
Gourgeist-Super @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Foul Play
- Synthesis
- Leech Seed
Nominating Gourgeist-Super (XL) as a counter. Gourgeist can easily tank any hit Primeape can throw at it thanks to its solid defensive typing and immense bulk. Gourgeist isn't hit super-effectively by U-Turn or any of Primeape's coverage options, the ability to cripple Primeape with a burn, and has access to reliable recovery, giving it greater longevity compared to common answers such as Mespirit.
252 Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 42-50 (11.2 - 13.3%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 59-70 (15.7 - 18.7%) -- possible 6HKO
252 Atk Primeape Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 71-84 (18.9 - 22.4%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 59-70 (15.7 - 18.7%) -- possible 6HKO
252 Atk Primeape Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 71-84 (18.9 - 22.4%) -- possible 5HKO
Katy
Banned deucer.
Silvally-Ghost @ Ghost Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Parting Shot
- Defog
- Toxic
Ghostvally is a solid Check to Primeape because it is immune to Primeapes STAB in Close Combat
and can straight up Shadow Ball Primeape for a 2HKO..
The only Attacks which do some damage to GhostVally coming from Primeape are Stone Edge / Earthquake, and even these attacks aren't able to 2HKO Ghostvally, in Return Shadow Ball from Ghostyvally is a clear 2HKO on Primeape.
Toxic is a nice way of crippling Primeape so it isn't able to come in constantly, especially not with hazards up like Stealth Rocks and / or Spikes.
Note: Defog / Parting Shot is able to give Primeape a boost in its Attack due to Defiant, so be careful with these support moves, but in overall Ghostvally serves as a good check to Primeape.
Calcs:
252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 98-116 (29.5 - 34.9%) -- 12.6% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Primeape Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 98-116 (29.5 - 34.9%) -- 12.6% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Primeape Gunk Shot vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 59-69 (17.7 - 20.7%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 34-41 (10.2 - 12.3%) -- possible 9HKO
252 SpA Silvally-Ghost Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 142-168 (52.3 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Primeape Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 98-116 (29.5 - 34.9%) -- 12.6% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Primeape Gunk Shot vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 59-69 (17.7 - 20.7%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 34-41 (10.2 - 12.3%) -- possible 9HKO
252 SpA Silvally-Ghost Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 142-168 (52.3 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Tangela @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power Fire
- Knock Off
- Synthesis / Leech Seed
Tangela is a solid counter to Primeape. Tangela takes maximum 35% from Gunk Shot and takes much less from everything else. This allows it to spam Giga Drain+Synthesis until Primeape gets bopped. Alternatively, Leech Seed can be run to maximize the damage Primeape takes and allows you to recover some health back over multiple turns rather than all in one.
252 Atk Primeape Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 100-118 (29.9 - 35.3%) -- 20.4% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 58-70 (17.3 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Primeape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 75-88 (22.4 - 26.3%) -- 12.5% chance to 4HKO
0 SpA Tangela Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 109-129 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 58-70 (17.3 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Primeape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 75-88 (22.4 - 26.3%) -- 12.5% chance to 4HKO
0 SpA Tangela Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 109-129 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Golurk @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Stealth Rock
Golurk's an interesting counter to Primeape, being immune to it's STAB and taking negligible damage from all else but Earthquake. However, upon switching in Golurk is able to Drain Punch to recover back most of the damage it takes from Primeape's EQ and finish off next turn with any other move, surviving another hit. There's also a 75% chance that Golurk can OHKO with Earthquake immediately upon switch in, instead of using Drain Punch: this is guaranteed after rocks, which Golurk could potentially have set up earlier in the match.
252 Atk Primeape Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Golurk: 113-134 (35.3 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Iron Fist Golurk Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 157-185 (57.9 - 68.2%) (24.5 - 28.9% recovered) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 261-307 (96.3 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 261-307 (96.3 - 113.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Iron Fist Golurk Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 157-185 (57.9 - 68.2%) (24.5 - 28.9% recovered) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 261-307 (96.3 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 261-307 (96.3 - 113.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Misdreavus @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hex
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
- Pain Split
Misdreavus straight up counters Primeape as even Stone Edge will almost never 3HKO. Misdreavus can possibly burn the Primeape as well to completely deter its usefulness through the rest of the game or use Pain Split to restore some health.
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Swanna @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hurricane
- Brave Bird
- Scald
- Defog
Scarf Swanna is a decent check to Primeape. Being able to switch in to its most spamable Moves Close Combat and U-Turn multiple times and outspeeding it, makes it one of the better Scarf Ape checks. With Bravebird you even have a way to kill said foe without relying on Hurricane hitting.
4 Atk Swanna Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 348-410 (128.4 - 151.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Primeape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Swanna: 123-145 (42.2 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Primeape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Swanna: 123-145 (42.2 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
It can switch in twice at least (w/o Rocks).
252 Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Swanna: 48-57 (16.4 - 19.5%) -- possible 6HKO
sORRY for late submission life become busy
Raichu-Alola @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Surge Surfer
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Psyshock
- Grass Knot
Scarf Raichu-a is a check. Usually without a scarf, you fear U-turn because your defence stat is quite bad but thanks to Scarf, not even Ape can fear you anymore and you kill it with a Psyshock. No one really expects this set but it does good here so you know.
Raichu-Alola @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Surge Surfer
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Psyshock
- Grass Knot
Scarf Raichu-a is a check. Usually without a scarf, you fear U-turn because your defence stat is quite bad but thanks to Scarf, not even Ape can fear you anymore and you kill it with a Psyshock. No one really expects this set but it does good here so you know.
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