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Tournament PUCL I - Format Discussion

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The PU moderation team has decided to replace PUBD with PUCL while incorporating the new flex format from NUCL. Manager signups for PUCL I will be going up within the next week or so, with Week 1 set to commence on mid-late January. The format will more or less be the same as NUCL with not much up to change. That being said, we have two discussion points in particular that we'd like to get some community input on, and would also like to give you all some time to familiarize yourselves with the new format in case you have been living under a rock haven't been following NUCL.

PUCL Format (NOT UP TO CHANGE)

- The tier slots for PUCL will be the following:
Code:
SV 1
SV 2
Flex A1
Flex A2
Flex A3
Flex A4
Flex B1
Flex B2
Flex B3
Flex B4
As a reminder, Flex slots are 4 distinct tiers ranging from SS to RBY that are picked by each team every week. For example, Team A can select SS SM DPP GSC and Team B can select SM ORAS BW RBY; however, Team A can't pick SS SS ADV GSC.

- There will be no retains, retains carrying over from PUBD to PUCL makes no sense as the format change can heavily impact the perceived value of different players.

- Total budget will be 130k as usual.


DISCUSSION POINTS FOR THE COMMUNITY (POINTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IMPLEMENTED AND ARE UP TO DISCUSSION)

1) Manager Prices
  • Should 2 manager buys be allowed or should we limit it to just one?
  • If it's only one manager buy how much should it cost?
  • If it's two manager buys how much should they cost? Different options were brought up on discord (15k/30k, 15k/35k, 20k/40k/ 17.5k/40k etc.)

2) SS PU [Suspect] Slot

This is the more contentious topic and the main reason for having this format discussion thread. We want to gauge how the community would feel about replacing the SS slot with an SS [Suspect] slot instead. The exact details of the suspect slot are not decided either but if we do go ahead with a suspect slot we strongly prefer the suspect slot have multiple unbans over one singular Pokemon. Some pokemon that have been brought up as unban candidates in talks regularly are;
:virizion::espeon::guzzlord::scyther::araquanid::raichu-alola::scrafty:
These are just few of the options but if it goes through, we hope posts on this thread will help us better identify which exact Pokemon we want to unban for the suspect slot. This is obviously not a final decision by any means, we want to see how the community would feel about having a SS suspect slot to figure out if a metagame with unbans is better than the current SS PU metagame which is arguably our most disliked PU old generation right now.

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Thread will be open until the end of the week at least, potentially longer; we'll make a final decision depending on the responses in the thread. Get to posting, thank you!
 
As someone who has managed both NUCLs, I’m really excited about the announcement of this tournament. I hope I get the honor of managing in it too! This format is a blast for everyone involved managers, players, and anyone who enjoys competitive Low Tiers. Big congratulations to PU for making this happen.

1) Manager Prices

Personally, I'm not a fan of the double manager self-buy option. It's really difficult to find a balanced way to make it work. In most cases, it ends up being either not worth it to buy both or just a total bargain.

In the recent NUCL, with the 15/35 price we had three pairs of self-buys:

  • Loocas + Shen
  • Garay + Watashi
  • FC + Tier

Out of these three, the first two were ridiculously cheap selfbuys players who would typically go for more than 20k each. As for FC and Tier, their combined price in the last two NU auctions was 10.5k, so yeah, not the best deal.

If the double self-buy is kept, I think a price split like 15/40 would be better. This way, you'd clearly push for one manager to play while making it clear what kinds of pairs should go for the double self-buy without giving them that much of an advantage.

2) SS PU [Suspect] Slot

I tend to stay away from anything related to SS, so I don't have a strong opinion on that. But honestly, adding even more uncertainty and volatility to an already unpredictable format like CL seems like a risky move. I'm not sure how many tours or games have been played with unbanned mons from SS PU, but personally, debuting a format like this in a tier team tour wouldn't be a decision I’d make as a leader.
 
- 2 managers, 15k/30k. PU in recent memory has pretty balanced manager pairs. Don't really think a lot of tour players are signing up to manage to game some sort of system consistently (cough Monotype cough). Not opposed to 1 manager buy either tho.

- Suspect slot sounds good. The SSPU thread looked to have virtually gone nowhere and this seems to be the only way to put an end to the seemingly never-ending discussion. Might also see some new batters in the tier rather than the same people playing it over and over. Not that it's a bad thing, but new flavors are nice.
 
2 managers, 15k/30k

idk ss pu but in smpl was have aegislash suspect slot, that meant everyteam overprep aegislash, maybe can try ss pu without some boring mon like no gigalith.
 
1 selfbuy, 15k. 2 selfbuys is just unbalanced and boring

Suspect slot seems kinda wack but could be reasonable given the amount of hate the tier as it is right now gets
 
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