purely offensive team

[yeoldknight]

Ok...I hate setting up and doing boring baton passes and more setting up with even more baton passing just to give it to one sweeper which will die in 2 seconds if he meets something he is weak to so i just came to this conclusion. Ill have a purely offensive team.

First to the lead...

Swampert@ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Torrent
Evs: 252 att, 252 def, 6 hp
Waterfall
Avalanche
Stealth Rock
Earthquake

I call this Swampert the Uncommon Adamant Physical Grass-weakness Stealth Rock Lead Swampert. As well as the long name I gave it, it also has a long life compared to some other leads which do Stealth Rock and die. Because of its speed stat (60 ugh) Avalanche hits almost every time with double power. Waterfall is a basic STAB move that also helps me climb waterfalls hehe. Earthquake is its more powerful STAB move ending up with 150 power. Overall a tough lead to beat unless you have Grass Knot and I have found it a very reliable lead that will always at least set up stealth rock if not beat the other lead with its 3 powerful attacks.

Now for the special sweepers.
First its Cute Little Birdy...

Togekiss@ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Serene Grace
Evs: 252 spa, 252 spe, 6 hp
Thunder Wave
Grass Knot
Aura Sphere
Air Slash

Togekiss has a number of different uses, in this case I am going to use the paraflinching moveset. Because Togekiss has Thunder Wave firstly it can slow the opposition down, maybe stop them and provide fantastic sweeping opportunity for Air Slash with 60% chance of a flinch thanks to Serene Grace. Aura Sphere is the move that cannot miss and combines with Air Slash and Grass Knot to give good coverage unless your a Blissey. Make sure you keep your Golems out of Togekiss's way. Also theres another thing that contributes so much to making this pokemon really really good; its so cute.

Now for the Ugly Big Volcano Thing...

Heatran@ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
Ability: Flash Fire
Evs: 252 spa, 252 spe, 6 hp
Fire Blast
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Flamethrower

Scarftran as well as being the most popular and boring Heatran has many resistances and is weak to only 3 things. This means Heatran can switch in to almost anything and let off a Fire Blast which if combined with Flash Fire can OHKO anything weak to it and put a major dent into anything that isn't. Dragon Pulse gives neutral coverage for every type excluding steel but makes up for it by hitting hard on dragons. Earth Power like Fire Blast is for sweeping. Flamethrower although being weaker than Fire Blast has greater accuracy which could cost me the game and if im in a situation where if I miss Heatran is dead and Flamethrower should kill the opponent anyway why would I opt for the less accurate one? If Heatran switches in to a fire move... well then ill just use Flamethrower anyway.

Finally on to the physicals.
On first its the speedyish wall attack bat thing...

Gliscor@ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Evs: 252 spe, 252 att, 6 hp
Earthquake
Roost
Stone Edge
Swords Dance
Gliscor... Well its a very good physical wall with 125 defence! The downside is it has 75 special defence. Its other stats are 95 attack and 95 speed which is very good once Ive used a Swords Dance. Earthquake is its main STAB attack equaling an overall 150 power ground attack. Stone Edge is another attack which is combined with Earthquake to hit many things neutrally if not super effectively. Finally roost is for recovering obviously because of its high defence stat and Leftovers also contribute to this. Gliscor can also switch in on fighting, ground and electric attacks without taking much damage if any, it is immune to the common earthquakes and resistant to the ever popular fighting attacks.

Now the pokemon uve all heard of for sure...

Scizor@ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
Evs: 252 att, 252 spe, 6 hp
Swords Dance
Bullet Punch
Superpower
Quick Attack

With a monstrous Attack stat how could i resist? Most common Scizor ever, so what? Scizor speed is made up by the astonishing attack power and excellent defences it has. Quick Attack with 60 power has less power than BP but provides better coverage and with 130 base attack and an Adamant nature with a Life Orb who cares? After a Swords Dance, Bullet Punch has the power to take down a lot. Thats right, a 40 power priority move, but if you add the effects of Technician and Stab bonus then the little 40 power becomes a monstrous 90 power steel priority move and can sweep anything that isn't resistant to steel. Superpower is there for pokemon slower than Scizor or things resistant to Scizor's main move. When I found this set I stupidly kept using X-scissor as a main move, then I used BP once and never used X-scissor again hehe.

Now for my Final sweeper. My personal favourite...

Lucario@ Life Orb
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Steadfast
Evs: 252 att, 252 spe, 6 hp
Swords Dance
Close Combat
Extremespeed
Ice Punch

A basic Swords Dance Lucario featuring the move Ice Punch instead of Crunch which somehow i find more useful. Lucarios main move is Close Comabt which ends up with 180 power thanks to STAB. For faster frail pokemon Extreme Speed is the best move. Swords Dance just makes these moves extra powerful for some extra powerful sweeping and brings out extra powerful foes so that i can show how extra powerful Lucario is and kill those foes with extra powerful moves. Ice Punch is for super coverage and kills a variety of different things from Torterra to Salamence for a super super super super effective hit which Close Combat and certainly Extrem Speed could never accomplish...unless Close Combat was used on Weavile hehe. You may ask ' whats up with steadfast?' well in my opinion i think its better to take the flinch and get a free speed boost, by ignoring the flinch what do you gain from it? One free turn every 50 million years?

Just rate it. Don't be rude or say im stupid or tell me to get rid of a pokemon without suggesting a replacement. Don't say 'omg you haven't got a salamence or a metagross'. Don't just tell me to change things, also tell me if something is good to help me look at everyones point of view on a pokemon. Thank you

 

[Bidbip]

Hmmm, A single zappy can sweep your team. HP grass for Swampert. Heat wave for Scizor and lucario. T-bolt for Togekiss and heatran. Same with gyrados. EQ for heatran, Lucario, and Scizor. Waterfall for gliscor and stone egde for togekiss. I'm sure He will also DD on your Swampert and kill you with waterfall.

I will suggest A porygon2 to kill zappy and gyrados and even a sala.

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Trait: Trace
EVs: 68 HP / 188 Def / 252 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Thunder Wave/Toxic
- Thunderbolt

Up to you but I would replace between Lucarico and scizor.

Anyway, Nice team.
~bidbip

 

[Luxormaniac]

Alright. Your lead is quite odd- what leads would you use Avalanche on anyway? Use the more standard Pert lead. If you would like to both lay down SR and beat other common leads, run a LeadGross.

Metagross@Occa/Lum Berry
EVs are tricky to do- most spreads are quite bulky but I find 252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP Jolly quite effective
-Stealth Rock
-Bullet Punch
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake

Lays down SR, hits hard, finishes Sashers with Bullet Punch. It is pretty simple.

You have too many stat-up sweepers imo. Three Swords Dancers is just a waste, and leaves you open to quite a number of threats, notably DD Gyarados, bulky in particular. It can flat out rip through your team after it gets a DD. If you wish, Celebi could counter it nicely and synergize well with Heatran in Togekiss' slot. A Pursuiting Ttar over Gliscor could ease Lucario's sweep, but Swampert would relieve more Mence issues and synergize with Scizor, who when banded could also Pursuit. Hope my quick rate helps.

 

[yeoldknight]

If i had a Metagross that would make my team pretty weak to fire and ground attacks so ill just think about changing my swampert unless you can give me another suggestion. Ill get rid of Swords Dance on Scizor and Gliscor and replace it with a new attack for Scizor and ill get round to Gliscor. Thanks for ur comment, very much appreciated

Why Porygon 2? To kill Zapdos i would obviously use CHOICE SCARF Heatran and priority moves on Lucario and Scizor so that it will die before it takes down my team also if the Zapdos has a non speed boosting nature then Gliscor can outspeed it and use Stone Edge which also aplies to Gyarados. For Gyarados id use the same technique. thanks for the comment, very much appreciated.

 

[Styx]

yea instead of switching for metagross just make it a CB Pursuit scizor to cover weakness like celebi, starmie, anything with a dark resistence

i dont see why people use quick attack on scizor it doesnt make sense to me just use stab bullet punch..

So a good moveset for scizor would be something like the standard OU CB Scizor

Scizor**ChoiceBand

252attack,252special d,6hp you dont really need speed because he doesnt out speed anything and Bullet Punch is well you no

BulletPunch
SuperPower
Pursuit
Uturn

on gliscor i would just drop swords dance for something like icefang or firefang to cover some weaknesses and FIX The EVS ON GLISCOR

i would put a little more into HP and DEFENSE for bulkyness and so he doesnt get 2HKO By Stab Equakes and Bullet Punches.... but still keep at least 108EVS IN ATTACK to keep the damage up

EDIT: I think Ice Fang On Gliscor Over Swords Dance Would Cover it perfectly because then you could DROP Ice punch on lucario for Crunch to take out ghosts

hope it helped

 

[Wombat Sky Forme]

Hmmm, A single zappy can sweep your team. HP grass for Swampert. Heat wave for Scizor and lucario. T-bolt for Togekiss and heatran. Same with gyrados. EQ for heatran, Lucario, and Scizor. Waterfall for gliscor and stone egde for togekiss. I'm sure He will also DD on your Swampert and kill you with waterfall.

I will suggest A porygon2 to kill zappy and gyrados and even a sala.

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Trait: Trace
EVs: 68 HP / 188 Def / 252 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Thunder Wave/Toxic
- Thunderbolt

Up to you but I would replace between Lucarico and scizor.

Anyway, Nice team.
~bidbip

Out of curiosity, why Porygon2 instead of Porygon-Z?

 

[Bidbip]

Out of curiosity, why Porygon2 instead of Porygon-Z?

Porygon2 is much much better def than porygonz and can take a +1 gyrados attacks and hit back with t-bolt. It can also take a zappy and a salamence's hits and hit back with ice beam. He also dont mind T wave from Zappy.

Porygonz have shitty def and will die from a +1 attack from anything while porygon2 can.

That does answer your question?

 

[gorm]

you have no water resist, and bulky waters switch in freely on most of this team.


taunt gyara (any dd gyara) is a huge bitch, one dd on scarftran and it's gg.

sub toxic heatran is also a bit of a bitch, you don't really have a choice but to sac something if it gets a sub up but gliscor/pert should be able to take care of it, with luke as insurance.

I'd suggest celebi over kiss to help with waters/gyara in particular. you can still run twave to help support luke. see how that works.

 

[FalconPunch]

Alright. Your lead is quite odd- what leads would you use Avalanche on anyway? Use the more standard Pert lead. If you would like to both lay down SR and beat other common leads, run a LeadGross.

Metagross@Occa/Lum Berry
EVs are tricky to do- most spreads are quite bulky but I find 252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP Jolly quite effective
-Stealth Rock
-Bullet Punch
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake

Lays down SR, hits hard, finishes Sashers with Bullet Punch. It is pretty simple.

I agree with Luxormaniac with this suggestion as Metagross is a great offensive lead!

If i had a Metagross that would make my team pretty weak to fire and ground attacks so ill just think about changing my swampert unless you can give me another suggestion.

Gliscor is immune to Ground attacks and heatran is immune to fire attacks. Also Swampert is not exactly an offensive lead.

 

[mc2094]

I'll start by fixing up the EVs and movesets.

Swampert@Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP/228 Def/28 SAtk
-EQuake
-Ice Beam
-SR
-Protect

Swampert is not meant to defeat other leads. He is supposed to be able to get sr down and then simply switch out. He has enough bulk to never be OHKO by common leads and is capable of being a very good wall later on in the game. His typing will help more than Gross, who will probably explode anyways. Protect lets you scout for trick users as well as block explosions. It also helps with scouting choice attackers. Water isn't needed as it provides bad coverage for a lead. Gross also has little impact now since the usage of Azelf and Aero leads isn't as high as before.

Togekiss is doing more harm than good imo. It's adding weaknesses and isn't a very good sweeper either. I would much rather prefer bulkydos.

Gyarados@Leftovers
Adamant
156 HP/ 108 Atk/ 100 Def/ 144 Spe
-DD
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Taunt

This will give you a great answer to physical sweepers such as scizor, infernape, heatran, and others. You get a good ground resist and it can deal with stall very well. DD is better when used late game when you attempt a sweep.

Now, running bot flamethrower and fire blast on tran is pointless. Go with one or the other. Explosion is a very nice move so I would add that in. Your team also lacks a good way to deal with Gyara so I would replace dragon pulse with HP Elec as almost everyone is relying on Gyara to counter scarftran. Change the nature to naive afterwards.

With Swampert taking physical hits, and gyarados sponging attacks from sweepers, I don't see the need of gliscor. I think a sub rotom-a would work really well here. With substitute and w-o-w, you have a great answer to pursuiters and stautus. Shadow Ball and Thunderbolt provide you with great coverage and lets you hit ghosts and other scarfed rotoms that may try to switch-in to your attacks.

Scizor is good and all, but with those EVs and moveset, he isn't living long. A CB set is prefered as Lucario is going to be your apparent sweeper.

Scizor@Choice Band
Adamant
248 HP/ 252 Atk/ 8 SDef
-Bullet Punch
-U-turn
-Superpower
-Pursuit

Pretty basic. U-turn for scouting early on and dragging out Lucario's counters while superpower lets you hit zone and heatran who often switches in. Bullet Punch for STAB and Puruit to trap kill Latias, Scarf Rotom-a, and such.

Now as for Lucario, I see no benefit of jolly nowadays. Most Gliscor are EVed to outrun him, Salamence usually have max speed, and without adamant, your missing several OHKO oppurtunities against walls and bulky mons. Crunch will let you hit Celebi, Latias, and others, while Stone edge will hit Gyarados and zapdos in particular. With the way the team is built you can try both and see how they work out. Adamant is the prefered nature here.

 

[yeoldknight]

Thanks everybody for your great or not so great suggestions hehe. Ive read all of them and im gonna try find something that fits in with the problems. Would WoW be good for Scarftran instead of Flamethrower? Seriously considering the Metagross lead and im giving Gliscor Ice Fang instead of Swords Dance just like one of you said but that doesn't mean ill be getting rid of Ice Punch on Lucario. Firstly ive got a good neutral coverage attack with the same power as crunch, Extremespeed. For ghosts, which is just about Gengar and Rotom I could just use either another pokemon or a Swords Danced Ice Punch? Its not as if Gengar has a humungous defence hehe. Exactly what harm is Togekiss doing by adding weaknesses, its rock weakness is countered by every other thing in my team, its electric weakness is countered by Swampert and Gliscor, and its ice weakness is countered by every other thing apart from Gliscor and maybe Swampert. Togekiss has a high spa stat, high defence AND spdefence, average speed with weaknesses covered by the rest of the team. It also has a variety of attacks with excellent coverage and the paraflinching has helped me more times than i can count? With Gyarados's Adamant nature it has lower speed than Timid Togekiss and the sameish attack power and Togekiss has much higher defences...? Now ur job is to prove me wrong

 

[mc2094]

Would WoW be good for Scarftran instead of Flamethrower?

Because so many people are going to send in their physical sweepers to sponge his attacks right. Explosion is the better move. Being locked into a non-damaging move isn't the best thing.

Firstly ive got a good neutral coverage attack with the same power, Extremespeed. For ghosts, which is just about Gengar and Rotom I could just use either another pokemon or a Swords Danced Ice Punch?

OK, when rating this team, I was assuming you knew how to play with SD Lucario. He is a late game sweeper and is meant to clean up other teams. For that reason, switching out isn't an option. Aside from Zapdos, Ice Punch isn't hitting anything since all it's targets are usually faster and even some zapdos are capable of outspeeding lucario. Gengar will be outspeeding Lucario and is capable of causing a OHKO.

Exactly what harm is Togekiss doing by adding weaknesses, its rock weakness is countered by every other thing in my team, its electric weakness is countered by Swampert and Gliscor, and its ice weakness is countered by every other thing apart from Gliscor and maybe Swampert. Togekiss has a high spa stat, high defence AND spdefence, average speed with weaknesses covered by the rest of the team. It also has a variety of attacks with excellent coverage and the paraflinching has helped me more times than i can count? With Gyarados's Adamant nature it has lower speed than Timid Togekiss and the sameish attack power and Togekiss has much higher defences...? Now ur job is to prove me wrong

The problem here is that you are looking at the pokemon and not what they do for the team. They also have different roles. You also seem to think togekiss is better at taking hits than Gyarados. With those Evs, that isn't true and when factoring in intimidate and Gyara's superior typing, your entire statement is false. Speed isn't a concern as Gyara is outspeeding walls that will be hit with taunt and is able to stat up with dragon dance. It will let you have a better way to deal with bulky grounds who can stop Lucario from sweeping and help deal with other top tier threats. Honestly, if you still feel togekiss is beter than Gyarados than I'm done trying to convince you. You also seem to not notice the other half of my rate which would benefit more from Gyarados than Togekiss.

 

[yeoldknight]

Well you said Lucario can't beat Gengar with speed, so what do i do about him? Even if i had Crunch i would still be outspeeded and killed without a hit on him. Ice punch is there for dragons and birds like Zapdos and Flygon or Salamence. Why do you think it has a Jolly nature...to outspeed A modest Zapdos or an Adamant Salamence. There will always be something wrong with every pokemon, counter this and counter that, i can't make any pokemon (apart from Garchomp) perfect so ill just have to live with the knowledge that Gengar is awesome.

 

[Force Majeure]

For Togekiss, a 252SpA/252Spe spread makes no sense because most of the things you will be T-waving are much faster than Togekiss and will be slower after a T-wave, meaning that they will be able to get an attack on Toge before she T-waves. I would switch her nature to Calm and use 252HP/6Def/252SpD. I've also used a more defensive Calm 252HP/126Def/126SpD to deal with non-STAB Stone Edges and retaliate with T-wave, but since your team is more specially weak than physical, I would stick with the more Specially Defensive variant.

 

[mc2094]

You have plenty of ways to deal with dragons such as Salamence and Flygon. When deciding Lucario's moveset, you have to make it reflect off of the rest of your team. Stone Edge still does plenty of damage to Zapdos and also hits Gyarados who is more problamatic to your team then Salamence and the like. Very rarley will a Salamence not run max speed nowadays so you aren't likely to face an adamant one. The most common used Flygon set is choice scarf and Ice Punch is redundant for Flygon since a boosted extremespeed can OHKO it anyways.

There will always be something wrong with every pokemon, counter this and counter that, i can't make any pokemon (apart from Garchomp) perfect so ill just have to live with the knowledge that Gengar is awesome.

True (though Chomp isn't perfect,) but that is the whole point of countering. I was simply simply emphasising on the fact that you needed to take out gengar before attempting to sweep with Lucario rather than setting up, only to be forced to switch out.

 

[yeoldknight]

Nobody talk to me about Gyarados. Every single time i meet one it dies either because it dd'd too much and didn't notice Scizor and Lucario with Priority moves or it died from one boosted stone edge from lucario (yes i gave it stone edge). DO NOT BOTHER ME ABOUT GYARADOS BECAUSE IT CANNOT WIN.

 

[Ironic Demise]

I wouldn't run Swampert as a lead.

The speed is way too low, and Grass Knot from Roserade will 2HKO you, and occasionally OHKO you.

And, a DD Kingra will do some damage to your team.

 

[yeoldknight]

Can you give me any suggestions on how to deal with Kingdra or Roserade? How are they bad news for my team? Any suggestions for a different lead?
Did you look under Lucario? It says basically not to say random stuff.