ORAS OU Rain [Peak 1708]

Hi guys, I'm proud to present my second RMT.
The first one was a BirdTeam, which, I'm proud to say, did well on the ladder and I met a number of people who used it against me. I guess some people liked it. This time, I decided to bring a RainTeam. As you might have noticed, I like to have a theme to my teams. First was a BirdTheme, now a RainTheme. After this one gets to 1800+ on the ladder, I'll probably make a new team (I did the same after getting 1800+ with the BirdTeam), which I think is either going to be a SunTeam or a HazardStacking/Phasing team, or even a base 100 Pokemon team (a team composed of Pokemon with 100 stats across the board, like Mew, Manaphy, Jirachi, etc.. - they're all so good). I've wanted to try those for a while.
But anyway, let's get down to business. Here's the peak:
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The team at a glance:
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Alright, let's start with the breakdown.

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Politoed (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Rest
- Toxic
- Encore

Politoed with Damp Rock is obviously the only plausible way to run a RainTeam. Some people like to get freaky and use a Klefki with Prankster priority in Rain Dance and Prankster Priority in Rest for recovery, and stuff like that, but I find it too risky. Politoed is, at the end of the day, the most reliable. But what makes Politoed even more awesome is its access to Encore, which has saved me so many times it's not even funny. The amount of times this helped me beat Charizard X, Volcarona, Bisharp, etc.. is uncountable, because they need to set up two boosts to outspeed my stuff under Rain, so if they go for the second one they're locked, and if they don't they get outsped after Politoed dies and the next thing comes in. It also has Toxic to wither down opposing walls and status things that like to set up on it on the switchin. The third move is the obligatory Scald which hits well under Rain. And Scald is the best move in the game. The last move is Rest for recovery, if needed and the chance is provided.
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Swampert (M) @ Swampertite
Ability: Damp
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Superpower
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake

I will never understand why anybody would run a RainTeam with a Mega other than Mega Swampert. Its Ground typing is LITERALLY IRREPLACEABLE. First of all, it stops Mega Manetric in its tracks, which is cruicial for RainTeams. Second of all, it's your go-to RainSweeper when the opponent has a Prankster ThunderWave Pokemon on the field - like Klefki or Thundurus. Your other RainSweepers end up getting ThunderWaved, and when you're only running two RainSweepers on your team, one of them getting ThunderWaved is something you cannot afford. That is why MegaSwampert is absolutely needed. The moveset is obvious - Waterfall and Earthquake for STABs, Ice Punch for Dragons and Superpower for Ferrothorn and the only thing that hits Rotom-W for at least something. Often, I will go for Superpower as they switch to their Rotom-W, go for another Superpower as they Will-o-Wisp, and go for a third Superpower to kill them, then Healing Wish with Latias to get rid of the Will-o-Wisp. I run enough speed to outrun primary threads under Rain, and enough to outrun Rotom-W without Rain when they run 218 speed to for Azumarills (218 speed Rotom-W is the most common).

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Omastar (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Knock Off
- Ice Beam
- Scald
Now, for those of you who say Kingdra is better than Omastar... you are INSANE. This thing is SO much better than Kingdra it's not even funny. First of all, with its considerably higher Special Attack, it nets many KOs that Kingdra would not, under the same circumstances. Considering how big of a threat Rotom-W is, I need Hydro Pump to actually do damage to that thing. Omastar can do that, Kingdra cannot. Also, Omastar's typing and physical bulk are amazing. When you think about it, what is a problem under Rain? Priority attacks, because they're the only thing that are gonna go before you under Rain. All relevant priority attacks are physical (Bird priority, Sucker Punch, Aqua Jet, Knock Off, Quick Attack, Extreme Speed, etc..), so Omastar's physical bulk becomes very important. I cannot tell you how many times my Omastar was my only winning condition left, and it was on 40% HP, and it tanked a Brave Bird from Talonflame PLUS a Quick Attack from Pinsir and went on to kill another three Pokemon after killing those two. 130 base defense + resistance to Flying is what it is. Kingdra would have lost in all of those circumstances, and considering I don't have any good counters to Bird priority, Omastar is definitely the KING of this team. KING.
Also, since I'm too lazy, go calculate in my stead how much Omastar under Rain, with Choice Specs and Modest Nature, does with Hydro Pump to Rotom-W, Keldeo and all other relevant Pokemon that resist Water. You'll be shocked. This damage plus its physical bulk and Rock typing is what makes Omastar much better than Kingdra, at least on my team.

The moveset is obvious - Hydro Pump for the strong STAB, Scald for the reliable STAB, Ice Beam for Dragons, Knock Off for Chansey. By the way, a little tip: if the Pokemon that is CURRENTLY inside with Omastar gets OHKO'd from whatever HP it's at by Scald, go for Scald, because if he stays in he dies without risking Hydro Pump's accuracy, and if he switches out you get two Scalds on the switchin, which is enough to kill anything. Two Scalds under Rain kill Rotom-W from full, Latias from full, Keldeo from full, AV Tornadus-T from full, so ye. OMASTAR = KING.


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Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip

Pretty much a staple on RainTeams, Ferrothorn is needed because it resists the two typings that threaten Water: Electricity and Grass. Rain also protects it against Fire typing, which is Ferrothorn's primary weakness, so it just fits on RainTeams perfectly. I put Stealth Rocks on it because they're more important than Spikes, Gyro Ball and Power Whip are the obligatory STABs, and Leech Seed sometimes helps getting some HP to some of my Pokemon. I don't have any other use for the last moveslot, so I might as well use Leech Seed. If anyone has a better option, speak up. I'm contemplating putting a Berry on Ferrothorn to resist the Fighting typing, survive a Choice Specs Secret Sword and OHKO back, but I'm not sure, because it's very situational.

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Tornadus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 96 HP / 160 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Knock Off

Another staple on RainTeams, it checks Keldeo even under Rain, which is otherwise a huge threat to Rain. It also checks a Mega Alakazam after it's traced Swift Swim, which is also a huge threat to Rain. Other than that, it gets a 100% accuracy Hurricane under Rain, and helps keep momentum on my side. When people have Chansey, they often switch it in, which helps with getting rid of its Eviolite with Knock Off. So, Hurricane is the obvious STAB, U-turn is to keep momentum, Knock Off is for Chansey and Latios and Latias, and Superpower is chosen instead of Heat Wave because Rain weakens Heat Wave, and Superpower helps do stuff against Rotom-W sometimes, which can be cruicial on a RainTeam.

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Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Recover
- Defog
- Healing Wish

Last but not least, Latias. I needed another Keldeo check, Latias is just that. I also needed Hazard control - I'm not too weak to Stealth Rocks, so usually if that's all that's on my side of the field, I don't even bother using Defog because it loses me too much momentum. I only need Defog if people get too crazy with Hazards and start stacking Spikes or, God Forbid, Sticky Web, which just ruins Rains otherwise. Again, I'm not too weak to Stealth Rocks, but that doesn't mean that I should risk going in without Hazard control, because if too much of it gets stacked, it becomes a problem. Anyway, Keldeo check, Hazard control and Healing Wish for either my Politoed or a burnt Mega Swampert. It gets a number of things done, which is why it has my last slot. A possible replacement is Celebi, because it also has Healing Wish, and it's a better check to Keldeo - Hidden Power Bug is rare on it, you'll much more often see Icy Wind or Hidden Power Electric. Celebi fears neither, so it's a better counter to Keldeo than Latias, but it has no Hazard control, so I'm afraid of using it.

Possible replacements:
Latias to Celebi

Other than that, I don't see what I could change - but that's why I'm here, to get opinions.

Replays:
- I forgot to save them, but I do have one, and I'll show it because it showcases a number of things: (1) even if it's 3 AM and you're playing like ASS, as long as you have KING OMASTAR on your side you win (good lord it OHKO'd a Mega Scizor with full bulk on the special spectrum (2) Celebi might be better than Latias because of Specs Keldeo with Icy Wind.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-293118494
 
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Hi

Putting a chople berry on Ferrothorn is actually a pretty good idea, since fake out users like Mega Lopunny and Medicham tend to limit rain turns, and this can also bait Alakazams and Keldeos which think they can get the kill (these 2 are also huge threats to rain). The loss of leftovers is not a big deal since you wont be staying in with Ferrothorn for very long on a momentum based team like this. I would also run max speed and atk on Swampert with a jolly nature as this outspeeds every relevant scarfer except scarf Latios and outspeeds Zard-X at +1, even though the power difference is noticable (you can't handle Rotom-W as well). To counteract this you could run dual hazards on Ferrothorn over leech seed but spikes + defog is weird and the utility of leech seed might be more useful. You can also run knock off on Ferrothorn's last slot to beat other Ferrothorns and knock off leftovers, giving the chip damage necessary for something to sweep. To have a better keldeo counter, you can make your Latias defensive, with a spread of 248 HP / 68 SpD / 192 Spe with a timid nature and replace life orb with leftovers and possibly replace draco meteor with dragon pulse. This spread deals with many special attackers and it's not 2hkod by Mega Zam's shadow ball or Keldeo's icy wind. To help break down defensive cores, you can make Tornadus-T life orb with focus blast over superpower. Even though focus blast has low accuracy, it gets heavy damage on a lot of targets including Ferrothorn and Rotom-W, helping Swampert clean up (using Swampert to take on Rotom could lose you a lot of momentum). You could also run taunt over knock off or u-turn (your choice) to help stallbreak since Omastar isnt enough in my experience. Sets:

Swampert @ Swampertite
Ability: Damp
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Superpower
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake

Tornadus-Therian @ Life Orb
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 8 HP / 248 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Hurricane
- U-turn / Knock Off
- Focus Blast
- Taunt

Ferrothorn @ Chople Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed / Knock Off
- Power Whip

Latias @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 68 SpD / 192 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Defog
- Healing Wish
 
Very solid for a rain team. If Keldeo is really ruining your day you could always replace Forretress with a Stealth Rock Celebi plus optional Baton Pass / Healing Wish for linking with the rest of your team. Why have one Healing Wisher when you can have two? :p

Alternate option is Latias -> SR HW Celebi and Ferrothorn -> SpD Defog non-mega Scizor.

Just some food for thought, but I'm sure you'll have gone over these options yourself already.
 
Yo good looking rain team. I have a few changes that I personally think should be made.
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Politoed can run more speed in order to outspeed Adamant Azumarill and Outspeed and encore it as it will try to Belly Drum.
96 Speed EVs would be needed to do this
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Scarf Keldeo (and even Scarf Terrakion although that isn't common anymore) can tear holes in the entire team with the only thing wanting to take hits is Tornadus-T. I would reccomend Jolly Nature over Adamant as this will help with that problem.
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Life Orb set looks better on this team IMO it just threatens switch ins abusing the 100% Hurricanes + helps to check switchins like Landorus finds it harder to switch in.
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Ferrothorn should Chople Berry or Rocky Helmet. Rocky Helmet is to punish Fake Out users who try to limit the amount od rain turns available and Chople can punish Medicham and Keldeo with either Power Whip or Gyro Ball.

Good lick with the team.
 
While I don't have too much to add, I anted to say thank you for using omastar! I thought I was the only one! I use focus sash+ shell smash and that can easily sweep a team without a priority move. Praise helix!
 
Thanks everybody for your input. I'll reply to everything at once:

Regarding Ferrothorn: Tbh, I switch between Leftovers and Chopple Berry depending on the mood. If I really had to win, I'd probably choose Chopple Berry over Leftovers, so yeah, aware of this.
Regarding Politoed: My mistake actually, I had the EVs to outspeed Adamant Azumarill on my team, but I copypasted the wrong EVs for the RMT. But yeah, aware of this as well, thanks for pointing it out.
Regarding Swampert: I find Adamant gets many important OHKOs and 2HKOs, so I won't be using Jolly just to outspeed Keldeo. I'd rather keep Adamant and get a dedicated Keldeo check/counter, like Celebi. But most of the time, I find that my team can handle it. If it's Scarfed, it doesn't run Icy Wind, so it cannot kill my Tornadus or Latias, which means it's checked. If it runs Specs, then I can outspeed it anyway and kill it.
Regarding Tornadus, I have enough dedicated sweepers on the team, I don't find it necessary to turn Tornadus into an offensive Pokemon. I appreciate AV Tornadus because of the things it checks.

All in all, thanks for the input. I will change Ferrothorn to Chopple Berry and Politoed to 92 speed EVs (though as I've said, on my actual team, those changes have already been done, so that's simply for the RMT).

The only thing I'm contemplating is getting a different Keldeo check. Maybe it's gonna be Slowbro. I like Slowbro a lot. Or Celebi. We'll see.
 
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