Rate My Brand Spankin New Offensive Team - [Help Needed]

Vintage

Rate My Brand Spankin New Offencive Team
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Metagross (M) @ Occa Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 56 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Explosion

Metagross is the lead for this team and is a great lead for the team. Meteor Mash can do some massive damage alongside Bullet Punch and packs alot of offensive power which the team needs. Metagross is bulky and yet very powerful and with explosion being that stong it could basically OHKO anything thats not a Skarmory or Forretress. I'm not so sure on this set though and I really do need some feedback on it and if ou have any ideas on chaning the set I am defintly open to doing so ^__^ Moving on...

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Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Brick Break
- U-Turn

Scizor, basic Choice Band set. This set outclasses the standard Steel Trapper with just enough speed to use Brick Break first and OHKO. Brick Break also detrorys Reflect & Light Screen which is great. U-Turn is great for scouting etc etc. Pursuit is fo ghosts and Bullet Punch just cleans up.

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Infernape (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Grass Knot
- Close Combat
- Fire Blast

Infernape, I absoulutely love this thing and is very ideal for any Offencive team <3 Basically this thing is to revenge kill which you should already know very well. Close Combat wrecks Blissey and is just a priority move alongside Flamethrower. However I am not so sure if maybe I should go Fire Blast so if you think you could give me abit of advice there then that would be great! Grass Knot kill Swampert >:3 and Hidden Power Ice can get dragons as long as they haven't DD'ed up.

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Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intmidate
EVs: 148 HP / 176 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Gyarados, this set was created by a friend of mine called Bluu and I hope he doesn't mind me using this set. Although I did change it around a little. This orginally was going to have Life Orb but it was abit ehhh with Infernape and Flygon having Life Orb already. So I gave it Leftovers so it could live longer. Ice Fang was also on this set but Stone Edge allows it to sweep more variety of pokemon. After just 1 DD this thing is a force to be wreckond with.


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Flygon (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 200 Atk / 56 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor

Flygon, I love Flygon on the team alongside Gyarados because of its great synergy. This is basically a wall breaker and can get some really good results in doing so. Sure this set is mainly for Physically dealing damage but is great with its Special attacking moves as it can be really situational. Its also really fast and outspeeds alot of pokemon in todays metagame.

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Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 SpDef
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam
- Hydro Pump
- Roar
- Earthquake

Swampert, every team needs a shuffler and Swampert can do that for me on this team. As well as being the teams shuffler he fits in with the synergy really well making him an ideal choice for the team. Swamert can kill Tyranitar and lots of other pokemon also in todays metagame.
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So this concludes my team. Although I know there is alot that needs to be done to it so I have come to the smogon forums to get some help for it :toast:

So I look forward to hearing back and I am willing to take in all advice as I need as much help as I can!!

Changes will be in Olive
 
There's no point in Occa Berry if you don't have Earthquake to take out Lead Apes/Trans. Replace Stealth Rock with Earthquake on Metagross and replace Surf with Stealth Rock on Swampert. I'd also try Bounce over Earthquake on Gyarados, it's simply the best set imo but if you find the 1-turn set up annoying then ok, but Earthquake is really redundant with Waterfall imo, only useful for Metagross/Jirachi.

The team is well built overall, that Flygon is interesting. Its typing is amazing but its Attack is fail, although not aware of its effectiveness (luring shit like Swampert or something) this Flygon could make up overall as a mixed wall breaker even though Salamence does it way better.
 
But, for this team. Flygon is better. The smogon analasis Metagross set will cover what you said because getting out SR half way through the game has never appealed to me :/

Earthquake stops Electivire ...as well as lots of other pokemon depending on thier types.

But yea, you're right on the Metagross thing.

Although I had an idea maybe of the moves like this:

Stealth Rock
Bullet Punch
Earthquake
Explosion

Because really, Meteor Mash doesn't cut if for a slow lead like Metagross itself. Besides Bullet Punch does a fine job.
 
Very quickly might as well put protect over surf on swampy stop exploders and the like and prevent a lot of 2hkos turning them into 3hkos and easing switching see how it goes.
Good luck.
 
Vintage said:
But, for this team. Flygon is better. The smogon analasis Metagross set will cover what you said because getting out SR half way through the game has never appealed to me :/

Earthquake stops Electivire ...as well as lots of other pokemon depending on thier types.

But yea, you're right on the Metagross thing.

Although I had an idea maybe of the moves like this:

Stealth Rock
Bullet Punch
Earthquake
Explosion

Because really, Meteor Mash doesn't cut if for a slow lead like Metagross itself. Besides Bullet Punch does a fine job.
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Previously though, Meteor Mash was used in the slot due to its higher BP to guaranteed 2HK on the prior common suicide leads like Azelf and Aerodactyl. While without MM, this becomes 3-4HK, which by then could have let those lead manage SR, dual screen, and then taking out Metagross with explosion thanks to the defence drop as the effect.
 
You mispelled offensive. I use a meta lead, and I just dropped SR =O. By dropping SR you can cover the most amount of leads.

Metagross@ occa berry
Adamant
252 Atk 252 Spe 6 Def
Meteor Mash
Bullet Punch
EQ
Explosion

This lets you get you up 6-5 early and lets you handle a ton of leads. Occa berry lets you survive heatran and infernape leads and ko back with earthquake and Bullet punch. Meteor mash and Bullet punch for suicied Azelf and Aero. Explosion is there to take out annoying things your team has issues with just watch out for rotom. If you really really watn SR put it on swampert instead or something ( I dont even use SR).
 
Vintage said:
So, maybe....

Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Explosion

???
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Nah, the current set in your team is possibly your best bet. MM and BP allows for the said 2HK on those frail leads.

Also, I think Flygon could be switched to a Choice Scarf user to act as the revenge killer on ominious threats such as Infernape, Gyarados, Salamence, and etc. This is quite a nice option because Flygon is part Ground type, which resists Stealth Rock on swithin--taking in ~6% dmg instead of usual ~12% on neutral.

So this set could be:

Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Levitate
Adamant- 4HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
- Outrage
- U Turn
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Another thing, I think Gyarados could be taken out for a mix attacker such as Salamence or else. What I really want to post as of concern is that almost on every single team out there, bulky pokemons like Celebi, Milotic, Water-Absorb Quagsire, Swampert, Suicune, Porygon-2 and any of those fitted as Gyados bulky counter are usually packed in for the ever common Gyados threat. So with that team structure constantly build around this ever-so-hyper-offensive metagame, Gyarados's sweeping capabilities are really hindered.
 
Hetran gives you problems late game, I suggest making SCizor an SD varient and adding a scarf to flygon. EDIT- got beaten to it lol

Fire Blast is worth a mention on Infernape, allows you to hit Cress harder on switch in and possiply 2HKo it

thats all I have to say...pretty solid
 
Ok a full rate for you.

So I agree with the people who say to drop off stealth rock on metagross and give it to swampert. Their and my reasoning is that with a lead that can kill other leads while they waste time setting up sr, you get the quick advantage. Ape, tar, azelf, weavile, ect all fall to that metagross and you can get right to killing them without being hampered by the need to set up sr. Swampert also makes a great sr user because of his bulk and opportunities to get in and cause switches especially aginast tyranitar. I would replace either surf or roar for stealth rock.

You are also very weak to offensive and toxic subroost zapdos. With hp ice it kills everything except swampert and with hp grass, everything but flygon. Since flygon has a life orb, it will not be sticking around for long and once it dies you are very exposed to an offensive zappy sweep/stall out. I would suggest you put a tyranitar in your team. You could replace flygon with tyranitar as tyranitar is a good wall breaker being able to 1-2hko most if not all walls. Bandtar is a great force in the metagame and fits your team very well as an offensive threat and zapdos counter. The special defensive build of 252 hp 216 sp. def and 40 atk is the prime zapdos counter you need.

Good luck with your team

-chaos 9
 
Vintage said:
Alrighty, Choice Scarf it is.
Scizor to an SD set
And the new Mixmence > Gyarados.

Sound good?
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Yes, those changes and addition would certainly improve the overall performance of this team.

And from my observant, the suggested EQ over SR isn't going to be as useful due to the Shuca Berry lead Heatran--whom will always outspeed Metagross. So generally in that case it would be best to SR or BP that lead Heatran/Infernape to cancel the possible Focus Sash, and then switching to Infernape or whatever resists fire attack. Magnezone will generally be outspeeding Metagross anyway, and surviving its attack with the HP EV and Explosion from Metagross will heavily dent it anyhow. The combo of MM and explosion just hurt so much already, and don't forget the attack raise from MM. Plus, SR with shuffler Swampert will totally give the team its needed support and annihilating opposing incoming Gyarados and Salamence by constant SR.
 
I think I am going to take sakae's advice on this one. What you are saying makes good sence. That should just about do it. I'll try it out and then report back.

Keep the rates coming though ^__^
 
Anyway, if you decide to go for the MixMence with BB, then Scizor could switch BB for Super Power to KO incoming Magnezone who wants to trap you, as well that Heatran.

Oh gee, this team is starting to become a mirror with just almost any current offensive team right now.
 
This team is extremely well constructed; I used it on the ladder for a bit and won nearly every match. As far as "shit this team doesn't wanna run into" goes, Gyarados is on the top of the list. Sadly there isn't a great way to remedy this besides maybe giving Swampert HP Electric (bad idea!); Roaring them away is a decent way to lower Gyara's health, but if it has Lefties you are in trouble.

OK now on to fixes...
Give Metagross some speed. It's really nice when it can take hits, but it is still a suicide lead, and speed really counts when you're trying to get an explosion in. As it stands now you're slower than Scizor, most Tyranitar, Rotom, Suicune, Milotic, some Vaporeon, and Magnezone. This is stuff you need to get the Explosion on before they can hit you. Honestly I would run 200 Speed EVs and Jolly, which will outspeed Celebi and Zapdos and the other base 100 Speeders with a few points for insurance; Explosion is powerful enough.

Scizor should have Superpower over Brick Break. It gives you OHKOs on Blissey and Heatran, and when the former spams status and Ice Beam you don't really have anything to do but take it, so a OHKO there is very important. Besides, with Scizor being #1 in usage you can bet your ass that everyone with an ounce of knowledge on shoddy is going to be running at least two Scizor counters, which means you are going to be switching around a lot regardless. Breaking Reflect and Light Screen is nice, but with Roar Swampert you probably will not have much trouble with those Dual Screen Baton Pass teams left over from the deoxys-e era, since you can Roar as they try to switch to Gliscor and even if they get it out you can spam Ice Beam as they Taunt to avoid Roar. Also if you give Scizor 8 more Speed EVs you will outrun 252 speed Adamant Tyranitar.

Just max Speed on Infernape. I know lower chance to kill Blissey blah blah blah but you have a lot of trouble with 4-attack Infernape, which will OHKO your entire team besides the SR weak Gyarados. Even if Infernape didn't trump Blissey in usage, your entire team is physical so she isn't a huge problem. Since most people don't bother to give ape max speed you should be good to outspeed almost every opposing one.

I thought that 3 attack + Roar Swampert would be stupid, but it actually wound up being generally pretty useful. That Roar is extremely important to this team, because otherwise you pretty much auto-lose to Suicune with Rest, Gyarados, and Lum Kingdra (or a really lucky one that doesn't ever hit itself in confusion). So I would take those Special Attack EVs and max out your HP and throw the rest in Special Defense. IIRC the 56 is to OHKO Salamence, but it will always go down with SR damage anyway, and it holds Life Orb a lot of the time so I would say it's a safe bet. Swampert needs all the help taking Suicune's Surfs and Rotom's Shadow Balls it can get, so I can assure you it will not be wasted. Next, give Swampert Hydro Pump over surf. This will allow Swampert to do a little more than just sit there, by dealing a lot of extra damage to Rotom and threatening a 2HKO on Skarm (who will likely try to roost until you miss, but hey at least you have time to switch and avoid them laying spikes or Roaring; or you can use Roar yourself).

Since these changes were pretty minor I don't see them opening up any new problems for you, so I guess I'll end my rate here. Great team, and good luck!
 
The only thing i would change is the Scizor spread...i really don't understand why people put that much speed on Scizor. The best spread imo is 252Atk/200 HP/56 Spd. This maintains some speed to outspeed most CB Tyranitars and has good bulk to take Shadow Balls from Gengars and pursuit them so your Gyarados can sweep with no trouble. Another problem is that you don't have speed on your team.. Maybe scarf the Flygon or idk, just maybe a little bit more speed can help you revenge kill your opponents pokemon, rather than switching around
 
Wow, thanks for really in depth rate TAY, and boy has it helped me alot. I have just finished adding all the changes that you suggested and it looks excellent!!

As long as Gyarados hasn't DD'd yet or it comes into Flygon Stone edge can OHKO it. And now with the improved Swampert EV's Swampert can phaze it well with the addition of Stealth Rock.

Once again thanks so much for the rate lots ^__^

Light-Kun: If I scarfed Flygon would the moveset that it has now still be alright?
The speed is for Adamant Tyranitar and also the basic Magnezone steel killer.
 
Just quickly if you decide not to run protect on swampy run hydro pump instead. Seeing as this is an offensive team you wanna punish the opponent for swithcing as much as possible. With sr adding up tihs means pokemon like salamence will have a tough time getting in on swampy and you will generally do alot more to things like bronzong who will probably want to explode on you. Anyway let me know how protect is going.

EDIT: I Did not read TAY's post before reading this but am infact just embellishing his point.
 
Yea, Protect is kind of like a filler on the team for Swampert. Also I am replacing Surf with Hydro Pump.

I'll be sure to add the changes to the 1st post soon.
 
Alrighty, I've added the changes to the first post.

If I were to use a scarf on Flygon would the moveset that it has now still be alright?
 
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