Rate My (generic?) OU Team!

[itSNOVER9000]

Rate My OU Team!

Hey guys this is my first RMT and I certainly hope to improve on it as much as possible.

At a Glance:

The (Anti) Lead

Magmortar @ Focus Sash
Ability: Flame Body
Nature: Mild
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
- Overheat
- Mach Punch
- Counter
- Taunt

You might ask yourself why Magmortar? Well for one thing nobody expects one so there's surprise value there. Out of all my OU battles, I've seen Magmortar used all of once and as death fodder. Because of this, not many players will know what to expect from it. It can surprisingly take on some common leads very will, especially suicide ones. With Overheat + Mach Punch, this Magmortar plays similarly to lead Empoleons except with the ability to Taunt and Counter. Random burns are also pretty lulz.

The Revenge Killer

Latias @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Surf
- Draco Meteor

Psycho shift latias wasn't exactly working so now its a scarfed revenge killer and does more than just screw around now. Tricking a scarf I find is better than a burn.

The Defensive Pokemon

Serebii (Celebi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Grass Knot

Yes I know the nickname is just soooooooooo original. Anyways, this Celebi is mainly a bulky annoyer. It basically always gets SR up and can further annoy with Leech Seed and Recover. I prefer Leaf Storm over Grass Knot because of the reliable damage and the fact that my Celebi won't be attacking very often. I'm thinking about investing some EV's in SpA instead of Spe and using HP Fire to take care of Scizor.

The Scout and CBer

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 10 Spe
- U-Turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit

It is virtually impossible to go wrong with Scizor: Massive attack, decent bulk, a 90BP priority move after STAB and Technician, etc. It can fit on any team and make a huge impact. This Scizor is only weak to the fire attacks directed at Celebi therefore it has a lot of chances to switch in and wreak havoc. I've mainly used this Scizor as a scout and revenge killer on some DD pokemon like Mence and Ttar.

The Physical Sweeper

Draking (Kingdra) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Outrage

I love this Kingdra on my team. It 4x resists both fire and water attacks aimed at half my team and can easily set up afterwards. I like lum Berry on my Kingdra for the ability to attack again after a round of Outrage or come in on a random status instead of being able to set up 5 subs. Many people think Kingdra is overshadowed by other DD pokemon but its great typing can often allow it to be more effective, especially with excellent type coverage from double STAB.

The Attacker (hard to sum up in one role)

Gengbang (Gengar) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Hasty
EVs: 100 Atk / 156 SpA / 252 Spe
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Fire

Eh I've never really liked Focus Blasts' 69+1 accuracy and I feel the standard set is too easily open to being Pursuit bait. Substitute acts as a buffer and scouting move. With Expert Belt, Gengar doesn't need as much attack EVs as Focus Punch is super effective against the likes of Tyranitar, Blissey, Weavile, Heatran, etc. As stated, this Gengar is sort of filler on my team I use it for the sake of having a special attacker and spin blocker.

So there you have it. Right now I see a definate weakness to DD Gyarados if I can't manage to burn it (I guess it sort of goes for most other DD'ers but Gyarados really comes to mind). Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated.

*Changed latias from a psycho shifter to choice scarfer and helped with my teams DD weakness somewhat.

 

[Sheshi]

A very different team. However, this team needs stealth rock. Yes, Celebi has it, but the little green pixie can do something more useful. I suggest putting Thunderwave over Stealth Rock on Celebi. This helps your Gyarados problem. As for HP Fire, I am an avid Celebi User, and I can attest to how helpful HP Fire is against Scizor. Definately use it over maybe Leech Seed and possibly Grass Knot over Leaf Storm.

Also, take Magmortar off and put Heatran in its place.
Heatran @ Shuca Berry/Lum Berry 252 SPA/252 SPE/6HP
-Overheat
-Earth Power
-Dragon Pulse
-Stealth Rock
Anti Lead Heatran. Overheat OHKOs 0 SPD EV Occa Berry Metagross. I think this may actually be better than Magmortar. You keep Stealth Rocks up and you gain some bulk to Heatran. You may opt for explosion, and if so, Naive Nature and 6 ATK EV's then put Explosion over Dragon Pulse.

Your Latias, while interesting, does not accomplish too much else other than passing burns to opponents. I think you should try a scarf latias as I see no reasonable revenge killer.
Latias @ Choice Scarf 252 SPA/252 SPE/6 DEF
-Thunderbolt
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Trick
This set will allow you to KO Gyarados even after it gets a DD in and it definately solves your Gyarados problem. It also allows you to revenge kill some pretty dangerous Pokemon like +1 DDMence.

Good luck.

 

[JarardoMartino]

Nice to see some creativity in RMTs for a change! but there are some problems. Diffenetly go t-wave on celebi and leave Stealth rocks to someone more suited. Psycho shift Latias is a little too gimicky so consider the scarfed latias in the post above. I like the idea of anti lead magmortar because its really unique and can deal with most leads. You diffently need stealth rock and if you use the scarfed latias, she will become your primary special attacker and since you deem gengar as filler, you can replace him with a stealth rock user like, for instance, swampert. I suggest runnining rest over substitute to absorb status and heal. I've seen a kingdra dragon dance a bunch, rest, wake up with a berry (in your case lum), and complitely obliterate a team.

Hope this helps!

 

[itSNOVER9000]

Ok yeah psycho shifting latias was getting owned by heatran too much and I made it choice scarfed. If anything, tricking a choice scarf is better than tricking a flame orb.

Gengar has surprisingly been very valuable to this team so I'm keeping it.

Right now I'm just messing around with magmortar, celebi, possibly heatran, and stealth rocks. Thanks for the suggestions guys!

 

[Delko]

Hello

I used a Psycho Shift Latias myself and despite what people might say, it did quite well. I used it in combination with Charge Beam. Yeah I know: a total gimmick set. Still you lack electric moves on this team so you could consider giving Psycho Shift Latias another chance:

Latias @ leftovers/ timid/ levitate
128 HP, 252 Spe, 128 SAtk

- Dragon Pulse
- Charge Beam
- Psycho Shift
- Recover

--> This thing could take out a Blissey when used right. And even better, this thing could set up on it. When Blissey is dead there is hardly anything standing in your way. To bad Charge Beam doesn't raise you SDef too.

The Celebi you use is set-up bait for Salamence, Lucario, SD Scizor, ....
So Thunder Wave would really come in handy. I suggest taking out Recover since you can get healed with Leech Seed and Leftovers anyway. Besides you might get some Parahax. Maybe Grass Knot over Leaf Storm?

If you do need a revenge killer you could trade Gengar for Scarfed Rotom. Of course then heat form to cover Lucario, Gyarados, ...:

Rotom-h @ choice scarf/ timid/ levitate
6 HP, 252 Spe, 252 SAtk

- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Overheat
- Trick

--> While Gengar needs to set up first, Rotom can revenge kill with ease.
Moveset is rather obvious.

Hope this helped!

Hope this helped!

 

[itSNOVER9000]

hmmm. I'm having a hard time seeing how a charge beam psycho shifting latias would be more effective than a simple calm mind one besides being able to take on Blissey. I do see the need for my Celebi having t-wave and grass knot over leaf storm now though.

 

[cim]

I got rid of your sprites because they piss off my text editor. Just a heads up.

Magmortar @ Focus Sash
Ability: Flame Body
Nature: Mild
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
- Overheat
- Mach Punch
- Counter
- Taunt

You might ask yourself why Magmortar? Well for one thing nobody expects one so there's surprise value there. Out of all my OU battles, I've seen Magmortar used all of once and as death fodder. Because of this, not many players will know what to expect from it. It can surprisingly take on some common leads very will, especially suicide ones. With Overheat + Mach Punch, this Magmortar plays similarly to lead Empoleons except with the ability to Taunt and Counter. Random burns are also pretty lulz.

Interesting choice for a lead, though I hate surprise value personally. I think it can perform decently, but the main problem with anti-leads is consistency. Sometimes it'll stop the opponent from getting up Rocks and kill them, sometimes it'll just take out an Azelf as it sets up Rocks on you and you're left with a weakened attacker that's begging to be set up on by Salamence. I would consider a lower risk lead that's more beneficial to your offense oriented team, even if there isn't any surprise value. Scarf Jirachi, Azelf, Aerodactyl, take your pick. The latter two get Rocks in play quickly, which is always a good help for a nearly full offense team like this one. Just something for you to consider, since this Pokemon doesn't exactly help in the long term and a quick set up for your opponent is the wrong way to start a match.

I'm moving Latias and Celebi to the end since revenge killers and defenders are one of the more "tweakable" parts of a team.

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 10 Spe
- U-Turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit

It is virtually impossible to go wrong with Scizor: Massive attack, decent bulk, a 90BP priority move after STAB and Technician, etc. It can fit on any team and make a huge impact. This Scizor is only weak to the fire attacks directed at Celebi therefore it has a lot of chances to switch in and wreak havoc. I've mainly used this Scizor as a scout and revenge killer on some DD pokemon like Mence and Ttar.

Pretty standard. I'd consider Quick Attack over Pursuit as an emergency response to Gyarados and Infernape. That way you don't instantly lose if your Latias gets Pursuited and your opponent has one of those in the wings. On the other hand, Pursuit lets you deal with opposing Scarf Latias, who might ruin Kingdra sweeps if not dealt with.

Draking (Kingdra) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Outrage

I love this Kingdra on my team. It 4x resists both fire and water attacks aimed at half my team and can easily set up afterwards. I like lum Berry on my Kingdra for the ability to attack again after a round of Outrage or come in on a random status instead of being able to set up 5 subs. Many people think Kingdra is overshadowed by other DD pokemon but its great typing can often allow it to be more effective, especially with excellent type coverage from double STAB.

Works. I'll try and modify the rest of your team around the "Kingdra core" for the sake of making stuff work.

Gengbang (Gengar) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Hasty
EVs: 100 Atk / 156 SpA / 252 Spe
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Fire

Eh I've never really liked Focus Blasts' 69+1 accuracy and I feel the standard set is too easily open to being Pursuit bait. Substitute acts as a buffer and scouting move. With Expert Belt, Gengar doesn't need as much attack EVs as Focus Punch is super effective against the likes of Tyranitar, Blissey, Weavile, Heatran, etc. As stated, this Gengar is sort of filler on my team I use it for the sake of having a special attacker and spin blocker.

You don't really need a Spin blocker. Rapid Spin is a free turn to bring in Kingdra and DD and shit.

Anyway, this Gengar generally lures out Tyranitar and Scizor and kills them. I mean, that's kind of nice, but why do you need to do that? Neither of them really stop your Kingdra sweep, so using a slot to bait them is a little weird.

I guess Gengar is a good general attacker, but your team's a little Pursuit heavy, and you generally want your non set up attackers to punch holes in the same things that will try and wall your primary sweeper later. The main things that stop Kingdra are Choice Scarf revenge killer types, so your backup should probably make opponents reveal their Scarf Latias, Scarf Jirachi, Scarf Flygon, whatever. Kingdra also attracts Steels, so something to bait those out and weaken them works better. Scarf Latias and Jirachi are primarily responses to Salamence, and mixed versions of Salamence also do a ton of damage to bulky walls that would get in the way of Kingdra. A MixMence over Gengar, while a radical change, could do your team a lot of good if played correctly and you deal with the responses your opponent plays properly (for example, by Pursuiting Scarf Latias with Scizor).

Serebii (Celebi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Grass Knot

Yes I know the nickname is just soooooooooo original. Anyways, this Celebi is mainly a bulky annoyer. It basically always gets SR up and can further annoy with Leech Seed and Recover. I prefer Leaf Storm over Grass Knot because of the reliable damage and the fact that my Celebi won't be attacking very often. I'm thinking about investing some EV's in SpA instead of Spe and using HP Fire to take care of Scizor.

Celebi doesn't really seem to be doing much for your team. You kind of put it here because you needed a "defensive pokemon", but I think you've got the wrong idea. You don't need Pokemon dedicated to defense on an offensive team, you need plenty of resistances and Pokemon that can come in on a variety of moves.

Assuming you go with Salamence above, a good Rock resist would work wonders on your team, since right now you really don't have all that much for CBtar or other Stone Edge users (other than a Scizor revenge kill). Swampert / Jirachi play the "bulky utility" role and can spread paralysis and Stealth Rock in addition to resisting Rock moves if you so choose. If you opt for either of these, you can make them your lead and replace Magmoartar with something that gives a bit more support

Latias @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Surf
- Draco Meteor

Psycho shift latias wasn't exactly working so now its a scarfed revenge killer and does more than just screw around now. Tricking a scarf I find is better than a burn.

As long as you're very wary of Pursuit this should serve you well.

Right now I'm seeing a bit of an SD Lucario weak along with general Metagross problems. While these are tricky to deal with, Scarf Heatran serves as a good check for both, and well timed Explosions are nice. Sorry that the end of this rate is REALLY shitty, but I just got time crunched and need to buzz. Good luck with your team, hope my advice helps.