Rate my multiple weather uber team

[slayer124]

Rayquaza+Arceus+Magnezone+Kyogre sweepage

Rayquaza+Arceus+Magnezone+Kyogre sweepage

This is my physically offensive uber team that lacks special sweeper in general and status absorber. My team is fairly weak to Groudon because if Lugia is assasinated my team doesn't have anything against Groudon and Groudon is also bulky enough to take half damage water move. Mixed Darkrai is another problem since anything on my team couldn't block that Darkrai unless i carry Focus Sash on my Blissey (Is CounterBlissey normally carry Focus Sash on Uber???) My team's sweeping is heavily rely on Rayquaza and Sword Dance Ghost Arceus which are very fast, hard hitting physical sweeper. Both of my physical sweeper's problem is steel pokemon in general. especially annoying Skarmory who will whrilwind away my pokemon. So, i add Magnezone to clear Metagross, Skarmory, Bronzong and other steel who will hinder their sweeping. If some people don't say arceus is banned, i will appreciate that since Arceus is reason why i make this team. Magnezone is kinda annoyer to Lati Twin since most of their attack except hidden power fire are resisted, and eat Toxic Kyogre fears STAB Thunderbolt and Groudon fear Hidden Power Ice. My team also have weavile weak since his attack can score super-effective on my team except Kyogre (Arceus and Lugia eat Night Slash. Rayquaza eats Ice Shard. Blissey and Magnezone eats brick break and Blissey eats pursuit too. Moreover, he will always attack first in my team except for Kyogre. That's why my team has scarfogre) Mixed Dialga is not much problem but i don't know about Palkia though. My team is also pretty much weak to DD Rayquaza because Stealth rock is quiet popular in Uber Metagame and my team doesn't have rapid spinner (I want Gamefreak make Uber Rapid Spinner with good attacking power) Boosting Kyogre is also my team's problem except Rayquaza sort of block his sweeping.

Team at Glance:

Kyogre @Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Nature: Modest
EV's: 6 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe
-Water Sprout
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder

Role:
Special Sweepe and revenge killer. You all know about ScarfOgre but he counter CM Mewtwo and Sword Dance Ghost Arceus, which is very important for my team (Arceus can't be countered if Kyogre doesn't have full health though)

Rayquaza @Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 32 HP/ 252 Atk/ 8 SpD/ 216 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Outrage
-Extremespeed

Role:
Physical Sweeper. After Blissey set up stealth rock and Magnezone clear annoying steel type pokemon, this guy have potential sweeping entire team except some guy use Deoxys-A. Jolly nature to tie with some Deoxys-A and outspeed Scarf user.

Arceus @Spooky Plate
Ability: Multitype
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
-Sword Dance
-Shadow Claw
-Brick Break
-Recover/ Substittue

Role:
Very fearsome physical Sweeper. Shadow Claw+Brick Break gives great coverage and Sword Dance to boost its good attack stat. He also have premium of physical sweeper that aren't block by physical wall like Giratina and Lugia unlike his another set called extremekiller Arceus and quiet bulky. I don't decide of fourth slot though. Substitute would be better against Darkrai to block his dark void but recover gives him reliable healing.

Blissey @Leftover
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Calm
EV's: 6 HP/ 252 Def/ 252 SDef
-Counter
-Stealth Rock/ Toxic
-Softboiled
-Seismic Toss

Role:
Special Wall, Stealth rocker and screw Mixed Dialga. Countering Mixed Dialga and set up stealth rock is very useful for my team because Mixed Dialga will screw my team if she isn't on the team and stealth rock make Ho-oh and Lugia to think twice of switch-in to my pokemon. (Ho-oh eats 50% damage when switch-in to my Sword Dance Ghost Arceus and he can simply get out of there. However, i am thinking about toxic over stealth rock to reliably kick the groin of CM Arceus.

Lugia @leftover
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Bold
EV's: 208 HP/ 164 Def/ 138 SAtk
-Reflect
-Roost
-Ice Beam
-Whirlwind

Role:
Physical wall and sort of Groudon and Rayquaza counter. This ev to gurantee OHKOing life orb damaged Rayquaza and severely hurt Groudon (but still does pitiful damage to him though)

Magnezone @Leftover
Ability: Magnet Pull
Nature: Modest
EV's: 252 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 6 SpD
-Light Screen/ Thunder Wave
-Toxic
-Hidden Power Ice
-Thunerbolt/ Thunder

Role:
Special Sweeper and Steel Killer. If Steel type pokemon doesn't carry earthquake to kill him, he easily get rid of steel type poke. Light Screen is always helpful but Thunderwave is not a bad option though. Toxic to annoy Lati Twin. Hidden Power Ice destroy Groudon switch-in.

Pros and Cons (My opinion)
Cons: No solid special wall and my team can be killed by many stat-upping special sweeper. Moreover, my team are not great against physical foe also. No status absorber and rapid spinner is another major pain since Steath Rock+Rayquaza combo can 6-0 my team like Gyarados do it in many unprepared OU team. Darkrai is another particually mixed versiom. He can switch-in to my team and sleep my team with Dark Void. In addition, my team is too much rely on DD Rayquaza and Sword Dance Ghost Arceus's sweeping so if Magnezone is go away Skarmory will phazing my pokemon away. Deoxys-A can kill one or two of my team member or safely switch-out because even if Rayquaza is there, rayquaza don't have pursuit. Even though they are rare in uber team thanks to ubiquity of certain pokemon, Garchomp, Heracross, weavile is my team's major pain. Ho-oh also wreak the havoc on the team unless stealth rock is on the team or if my kyogre die. Lack of healing and healer is another problem.

Pros: Deadly in physical Sweeping, can fight against Mixed Dialga much easier than other uber team thanks to my counter blissey, and have decent special sweeping potentail. countering two of the most threatening Arceus quiet reliably is also good. I think Magnezone+Arceus+DD Rayquaza are benefitting each other since Magnezone is weak to Ground +Fire and neutral to water but Rayquaza resist or immune to Magnezone's weakness and Magnezone's fighting weakness is covered by my Ghost Arceus while Magnezone resist my Arceus's ghost and dark weakness and clear away annoying skarmory for both Rayquaza and Arceus.

Type Efficiency:
Dark: One resist and Two Weakness
Dragon: One resist and one weakness
Ice: one resist and Two weakness
Ghost: One immunity, one weakness, and one resist
Fire: Two Resistance and one weakness
Electric: One resist and two weakness
Fighting: One immunity, one resist, and one weakness
Bug: One immunity
Poison; One immunity and no weakness
Rock: One resistance and one weakness
Ground: Two Immunity and one weakness
Psychic; Two resist and no weakness
Steel: Two resist and no weakness
Normal: One immunity, One resist


Threat List

: Extremekiller Arceus is countered by Lugia easily except if he get stealth rock and shadow claw or Mew passed Sword Dance to him. Even my team doesn't have strictest Sword Dance Ghost Arceus but can be Kyogre can OHKO him if Kyogre has full health. CM version is problem even though my team has blissey because blissey only have seismic toss to damage and no toxic to kill him. Fighting Arceus also have possiblity to wreak the havoc on the team. Grass Arceus is maybe counterd by Magnezone because he resist all attack that Arceus throw. Choice Band Arceus is also easily counterd by Lugia. Defensive Arceus can be counterd by Kyogre also.

: He is one of the major pain for my team

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: Another major pain to my team their Stone Edge can OHKO or at least 2HKO many of my team member

: Magnezone if Metagross don't have Earthquake and Kyogre can OHKO him easily but despise his attack.....

: Easily counterd by Magnezone
Magnezone: No one in my team can possibly counter him but maybe my magnezone can beat other magnezone if he doesn't have light screen lol

: Another major pain for my team since Choice Scaf Ho-oh can wreck Sword Dance Ghost Arceus's sweepage but Kyogre can kill him though (Oomphed by EQ though) I think he need to be used more since if person use him correctly he is very deadly but his suck typing really hurt him...... He need to be fire type with levitate at least

: Kyogre eat him alive unless it carries hidden power electric or explosion but majority of them do

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: Sword Dance Ghost Arceus eats them alive. Even if they may phaze away my Arceus, they already have significant damage but extremely rare choice version is also pain

: I don't know my Blissey can kill him with counter?? I think he is sucker than Dialga but if it had swift swim.......

: Mixed and special version are countered by my CounterBlissey. CB Version is pain but he is very, very rare. BU Dialga maybe Magnezone unless it carry earthquake ove sleep talk which would be much bette choice most time anyway

(Attack): No counter i have to say but he really don't have counter since supposed to be counter's luck is depend on the set. My DD Rayquaza is my only hope against him

(Defense): Ghost Arceus eat him alive

: No Counter but Kyogre and Rayquaza would be closest counter

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: No counter again but my magnezone resist most of their attack unless they carry hidden power fire and they have to have sun on their belt and annoy them with toxic and light screen

: Rayquaza ruin his strategy if he doesn't have ice beam to fearing off me
Mew: Very underrated pokemon. Many people doesn't know about her power Maybe she seems to be little child who attempts kick the groin of the big man but seriously her unpredictability is very deadly

(speed): Minor threat but possibly wreak the havoc to my Rayquaza though

: Most of my team's sweeper is Physical Sweeper but no counter i have to say

: He doesn't damage team much but speed+Sword Dance Attack boost baton pass is very annoying

: Kyogre outspeed him and OHKO him with water sprout or surf but no counter

: Magnezone
Dugtrio: My team need to beware him if my arceus and rayquaza want easy sweeping. Lugia would be counter

: Stealth Rock is only counter lol

: Kyogre is closest counter but no counter

More would be added in threat list later......

 

[Sovereign]

It's ok mr slayer. Two things I want to point out for your team:

I think you'll have a hard time finding something to soak up status effects. I would get either an aromatherapist or something that can rest.

Also, most of your team can only lose hp (lugia and latias being the only exceptions). I suggest getting a wish supporter in somewhere. If you can, get a stealth rocker up too so that your groudon can fare better against focus sashers and lugia.

 

[Ryo]

I think you should replace Aruceus on your team. You can't use it on shoddy's ladder so yeah...

Metagross would fit pretty well into your team instead. It can act as a Deoxys counter and also beats Latias which your team can have problems against if it sets up.

You want 192 Speed on Latias to outspeed Jolly Garchomp.

The HP shouldn't be too much of a problem as long as you stay offensive. You could use Rest/Sleep Talk Dialga instead if you need to take status.

 

[kd24]

This is your 4th uber team in 4 days. I don't feel good rating it since you can't seem to have a solid team

Anyway

Arceus is banned so ditch him for maybe a metagross since you have a ice weakness. metagroos bullet punch can finish off a lot threats like deoxys, weavile, ect.

latias wants more speed to beat threats and dialga can just go use all the hp evs in speed as a lead. No point in speed if it doesn't even help.

 

[faint]

Seems pretty weak to Deoxys-A. You have nothing that can outspeed him, and it can OHKO-2HKO nearly everything on this team. Like Kingler said, Metagross would be better over Arceus since it's banned on Shoddy.

I also find it funny that in Sovereigns team, you mentioned how 2 Pokemon with weather effects is stupid, and now your doing the exact same thing? Also, like I said before, cut down on the RMT's. You have so many that look nearly the exact same.

 

[kd24]

This is your 4th uber team in 4 days. I don't feel good rating it since you can't seem to have a solid team

Before i starts to comment, sorry Soverign for bad post. When i post the very similar (with only difference of Dialga and Kyogre set) team on Serebii they just say multiple weather team sucks ( I guess majority of tema rater in Serebii is noob because many of them think Dialga resist Dragon WTF.) However, i tested the multiple weather team yesterday and it turned out very great.

Dont make him look bad he apologized and I already stated that this was like his 4th team.

 

[Kira]

Before i starts to comment, sorry Soverign for bad post. When i post the very similar (with only difference of Dialga and Kyogre set) team on Serebii they just say multiple weather team sucks

That is why you are supposed to use your own opinion when rating a team, as well as your own experience...

Now I am going to guess this is for battling your friends as Arceus is banned on the ladder, and challenging people and using Arceus will get you shit.

Oh and just a question, are you studio on shoddy by any chance?

 

[slayer124]

That is why you are supposed to use your own opinion when rating a team, as well as your own experience...

Now I am going to guess this is for battling your friends as Arceus is banned on the ladder, and challenging people and using Arceus will get you shit.

Oh and just a question, are you studio on shoddy by any chance?

I am very hard to play Shoddy but when i can play, I spent most of time to play it. However, i am Junior (Fuck) and study at boarding school, so i can only play poke when i have vacation or when i went to weekend. Total record of my shoddy is 23-17 which is not bad and most of my winning sprees are from my Gyarad or Tyranitar lead team. The reason why i make so many uber team is basically i am suck at Uber Battle but still want to test their sheer strength. I know that most of my uber team is not solid. My only solid uber team were Choice Scarfed Palkia lead Uber team and Choice Scarfed Darkrai lead uber team which have better coverage in general than this team. Kira do you think Trick Rooming Dialga with Stealth Rock and make team very slow in general is better than current team??

 

[Kira]

I am guessing that English is not your first language lol...

You still did not explain why you are using Arceus when it is banned. Your 23-17 record means nothing in that case... that would be like me challenging a UU team user with my uber team... It doesnt matter how many times I win as the circumstances are highly in my favor and unfair.

 

[Rukario26]

I am guessing that English is not your first language lol...

You still did not explain why you are using Arceus when it is banned. Your 23-17 record means nothing in that case... that would be like me challenging a UU team user with my uber team... It doesnt matter how many times I win as the circumstances are highly in my favor and unfair.

What's meaning of this ? ZzzzZ .

 

[slayer124]

I am guessing that English is not your first language lol...

You still did not explain why you are using Arceus when it is banned. Your 23-17 record means nothing in that case... that would be like me challenging a UU team user with my uber team... It doesnt matter how many times I win as the circumstances are highly in my favor and unfair.

Yes, english isn't my first language. I am Korean who study at the US. I know winning sprees are totally depends on the team and Arceus is banned in shoddy if people don't check extende clause. Now i don;t even have Arceus on my team at all so you don't have to talk about Arceus. However, i can know i am much better in OU than Uber since i preict much better in OU(I already experience 12 frozen solid in 40 battle even though i didn't most of play that long and also have lots of Critical Hit taking from non-high CH move. So luck is not very favorable to me.) Kira can you rate my new team though??

 

[Great Sage]

It is critical for Blissey to have maximized Defense investment in Ubers, or else it will take substantial damage from things it should survive, like Metagross's Pursuit. The Calm nature is fine, but use 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD. Although you claim to have two counters for Groudon, you actually are quite weak to Choice Band versions with above average Speed investment. You have a team consisting of slow Pokemon, none of which resist Ground, and Groudon's Choice Band Earthquake 2HKOs or OHKOs every single one except Giratina. However, Giratina takes at minimum 37%, so if it loses around a quarter of its HP, which is likely, Groudon will beat it if it switches in. If it doesn't switch in, you'll have to sacrifice another member of your team. Using Lugia over Giratina can solve that problem.

 

[Jibaku]

As the Great Spammer said, Defense on Bliss is absolutely critical. I can't count how many times it saved me from a Pursuit death.

Is there any specific reason why you decide to use Relaxed > Careful on Dialga? Because Careful actually helps you survive 2 Life Orbed Spacial Rends from Palkia, whereas the chances of Dialga dying into the second hit is heightened without the boost.

EV's: 252 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 6 SDef

Kyogre's EVs would like to see some work here. It obviously cannot take a Swords Danced Groudon's Earthquake and live, and certainly won't be taking Arceus down either. Making it more defensive (iirc it needs bout 251 Defense to survive a Jolly Groudon's Swords Danced Earthquake, which can come in handy if you face one) is a great option, as it has Calm Mind to boost its special attack. Kyogre won't be countering Ghost Arceus anytime soon, so forget about it.

I'm not to keen on the use of Thunder when you have Trick Room, as the paralysis will simply give the opponent an advantage.

I do not like the "Replace Arceus" thingy. So what if he wants to use it? Just because its unacceptable on ladder doesn't mean he can't use it in casual/extended game matches.

Your team is extremely weak to Mixed Dialga...watch out

Also you've posted too many uber teams

And Sage...is your location specifically meant for me?

 

[slayer124]

As the Great Spammer said, Defense on Bliss is absolutely critical. I can't count how many times it saved me from a Pursuit death.

Is there any specific reason why you decide to use Relaxed > Careful on Dialga? Because Careful actually helps you survive 2 Life Orbed Spacial Rends from Palkia, whereas the chances of Dialga dying into the second hit is heightened without the boost.

Kyogre's EVs would like to see some work here. It obviously cannot take a Swords Danced Groudon's Earthquake and live, and certainly won't be taking Arceus down either. Making it more defensive (iirc it needs bout 251 Defense to survive a Jolly Groudon's Swords Danced Earthquake, which can come in handy if you face one) is a great option, as it has Calm Mind to boost its special attack. Kyogre won't be countering Ghost Arceus anytime soon, so forget about it.

I'm not to keen on the use of Thunder when you have Trick Room, as the paralysis will simply give the opponent an advantage.

I do not like the "Replace Arceus" thingy. So what if he wants to use it? Just because its unacceptable on ladder doesn't mean he can't use it in casual/extended game matches.

Your team is extremely weak to Mixed Dialga...watch out

Also you've posted too many uber teams


And Sage...is your location specifically meant for me?

hmm. I won't post another RMT until 2 weeks later because i think my team has lots of problem and incomplete. Anyway what is good counter for mixed dialga?? I guess my little Darkrai would help me fighting against Deoxys-A and help Groudon Sweeping better. Should i use Focus Blast over Thunder on my Darkrai??

 

[Jibaku]

Now that you mention it, to fight a Mix Dialga, one must be cautious of its moves and be on the lookout for everything they have in their sleeves. Deoxys-D perfectly counters Mix Dialga, although it won't serve much else. A Bulk Up Dialga can counter a Mix Dialga unless it has Earth Power or Fire Blast in the Sun.

BTW since the introduction of Garchomp in ubers, you might want 334 Speed (192 EVs) to outrun Garchomp with Latias

Ack my head's hurting right now so you might as well forget about the Mix Dialga thingy and try to alternate between Lugia, Latias and Groudon to stop it.

Besides Mix Dialga, your team does fairly well against everything else. This is probably your best team yet. Keep up the good work! (But it doesn't mean spamming RMTs)

 

[slayer124]

I promise myself not to post RMT until i complete making this team. What is Mixed Dialga counter except Deoxys-D??? I don't like Deoxys-D not doing anything except stealth rocking and counter Mixed Dialga. Heatran is one i can think of but it is hampered by having multiple weather+posiible Earth Power. Metagross is questionable if it gets fire blast+Sun...... Is it having Sleep Talk is neccessary like in OU. I almost always carry sleep talker+Stealth Rock or Toxic Spiker OU pluse 3 sweeper, one part wall and sweeper (Mostly they are sleep talker), two primary walls. I never fond that Mixed Dialga counter is Bulk Up Dialga since it doesn't like eating sun boosted fire blast, super effective brick break and occasional earth power. I thought completing my team take 2 weeks to work but from your saying i think it wouldn't take that much time though. I think i can't counter Mixed Dialga safely except i use Fighting Arceus though.

P.S Jibaku How did you get so many Arceus???

 

[Jibaku]

P.S Jibaku How did you get so many Arceus???

Action Replay + Rebattle codes.

 

[slayer124]

Action Replay + Rebattle codes.

What?? i have Action Replay and have load of Arceus. One reason i want to use SD Ghost Arceus is i got good one with almost flawless speed, attack, Defense, and HP (Only Special Defense is suck) by only 20 times of on-off game. What is rebattle codes???

P.S I thought you get that so many arceus from japanese friend.....

 

[slayer124]

24 hour bump

 

[slayer124]

24 hout bump

 

[slayer124]

24 Hour Bump and also how can i change these annoying font on some pokemon?? Some team member's fonts are going crazy. Jibaku what is appropriate Mixed Dialga counter???

 

[slayer124]

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[slayer124]

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