Rate my OU sandstorm/stall team

peadawg14

Well, I got bored w/ a traditional team so I've decided to create this sandstorm/stall team. It's made many people run since they get tired of trying to wear me down w/ most of my pokemon having slack off or roost. I feel this team works very well together covering each other's weaknesses!

Changes are in red

Hippodown @leftovers
Impish
252 hp/168 def/88 spD
Earthquake
Slack Off
Stealth Rock
Ice Fang

Hippo is my lead and it aims to lay down stealth rock and starts the sandstorm. Ice Fang is for Aerodactyl since they usually taunt the first turn. He's also a great T-Tar and Salamence counter. EQ hits T-Tar hard and Ice Fang usually OHKO's Salamence w/ SR damage.

Tentacruel @leftovers (Liquid ooz for Leech Seeders)
Calm
252 hp/120 def/136 spD
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Surf
Giga Drain

This takes water/grass/ice/fire attacks that are aimed at Hippodown and Skarmory. This is my rapid spinner. It lays down Toxic Spikes to help w/ more stalling. Surf is for STAB and Giga Drain is there because lot of people switch in Swampert against me and also against other waters. Tentacruel makes a GREAT partner with my next member of my team.

Skarmory @ leftovers
Impish
252 HP / 64 Atk / 176 Def / 16 Spe
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind
Brave Bird

This is the traditional spiker and a great partner to Tentacruel, covering each other's weakness very very well. Roost allows me to recover damage. The ev's let me out-speed T-Tar and Vaporeon and roost off damage before they attack. Brave Bird is there in case I go up against a Gyarados...it does more damage than drill peck. Whirlwind lets me shuffle the opponents team and rack up damage and just annoy the crap out of them.

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Bold
252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpA
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp

This is a great pokemon w/ only 1 weakness. I bring it in against Gyarados, Flygon, and steels like Lucario, Forretress or the dreaded Scizor. The ev's let me 2KO Skarmory w/ Flamethrower. It's also good against Machamp, but usually I send in my next pokemon for a fighter.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers - Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Atk / 124 Def / 124 SpD
Ability: Pressure
Moves:
~ Pain Split
~ Seismic Toss
~ Shadow Sneak
~ Will-O-Wisp

This is my counter to most fighters and rapid spinners. It comes in on a fighting attack and W-O-W to hurt their attempt to sweep. Also if Starmie or Tentacruel come out, I'll bring out Dusknoir to block a spin attempt. Shadow sneak is for ghosts and starmie. Seismic toss is for consistent damage.


Blissey@Leftovers
252HP/252 Def/6 SpD Bold
-Seismic Toss
-Toxic
-Wish
-Protect

I need a wish passer so who better for the job than the #1 special wall in the game. It's pretty simple: come in on a special attack, wish as they switch causing more SR/Spikes damage, and protect. Than switch out depending on what the opponent does.

I've battled 15 times and have not lost. I've only gone to the end a few times b/c most people end up running(or disconnecting which is hilarious). Let me know you think.
 
Ok first, take out sludge bomb on tentacruel for rest or hidden power electric, because sludge bomb barely dents our current metagame.

Second, combine Weezing and Dusknoir into a Rotom apoliance, with the following set:
252 HP/200Def/68SpD Bold
-Thunderbolt
-Will-O-Wisp
-Rest/Pain Split
-Sleep Talk/Shadow Ball/Overheat

You can make it either a resttalker or a pain splitter, both have their advantages. This Rotom checks your big list: Forretress, Scizor, Gyarados, etc.

Now that you have a slot open, get the premier special wall in there:
Blissey@Leftovers
8HP/252 Def/248SpD Bold
-Seismic Toss/Ice Beam/Flamethrower/Thunderbolt
-Thunder Wave/Toxic
-Wish
-Protect

As it stands, your spinner gets no recovery whatsoever, Blissey can pass wishes and use Tentacruel's fighting resistance.

Zapdos really doesn't belong here. If you want a sturdy phazer, give Resttalk Gyara a try:
Gyarados@:Leftovers
252HP/252Def/4SpD Impish
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Waterfall
-Roar

Still checks Heatran, as well as stuff like Swampert, Metagross, Scizor, Lucario, etc.
 
I really like the Weezing/Dusknoir combo. And since I can't use the Rotom appliances on Wifi yet, there's no use in getting one. Thanks for the advice on Blissey though...she's done better than Zapdos so far. I still would like one more Roarer/Whirlwinder in there to help shuffle. Ice Fang does very well on Hippodown.
 
It's been a couple of days. Bump. I haven't had to use brave bird yet, so should I switch the attack ev's on skarmory to special defense?
 
You could try the Taunt Skarmory set (Taunt over Brave Bird or Whirlwind, different EV spread) outlined in the main part of the forum.

I would put Roar over Ice Fang on Hippowdon, generally Roar will be more useful and deal more damage.

Weezing is subpar, and Dusknoir is outclassed by Rotom-A as a Rapid Spinner.

You also have a bit of a problem with MixMence and a few common Stallbreakers. I would replace Weezing with Latias or Jirachi to help with that.
 
Yes, Skarmory loves being able to actually take SOME attacks on the other spectrum, at least ones that aren't super-effective. Also, a little bit more speed (like about 60 Speed) to stop ties and phaze losses. Skarmory should have Shed Shell if you start seeing Magnezone, but otherwise Leftovers is actually pretty helpful when you are trying to Roost stall.

The rest of the team is solid, I totally believe your win ratio (I believe in stall =D check out my UU Stall on the RMT page). Also the rest I might change has already been changed and suggested.

Just looking at it, I can already see it's prowess, as using two very uncommon Pokemon (Dusknoir and Weezing) should really pay off in your stall efforts. However, I would like to suggest something on Dusknoir just because I just again took a look at it. I suggest Seismic Toss over Fire Punch, and here's why. Pokemon like Bronzong, Skarmory, and Machamp will not lose to you, and Fire Punch isn't hitting much Dusknoir needs to hit. Seismic Toss keeps the damage consistent, no matter what you are hitting. Thunder Punch may not be necessary either, since Dusknoir has no problem taking any attack from Gyarados, WoW-ing him, and Pain Splitting off the damage (although if they are smart and Taunt, then yes ThunderPunch helps). A Dusknoir I have been very successful with was:

Dusknoir @ Leftovers - Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Atk / 124 Def / 124 SpD
Ability: Pressure
Moves:
~ Pain Split
~ Seismic Toss
~ Shadow Sneak
~ Will-O-Wisp

Yes that's right, I simply split the EVs, and gave him a Ghost move (priority too). Fighting and Ghost hit everything, Shadow Sneak will kill Gengar before he kill you (well, sometimes if you have taken enough damage...). The combination of Seismic Toss, Will-O-Wisp and Pain Split all at once is going to be pissing your opponent off. Just give it a try, unless yours is working for you.

The rest is more perfect than I want to admit =D
 
DarkCyberElf, I like your Dusknoir set. The reason I had thunder/fire punch were for starmie, tentacruel and forrestress(the main spinners that I can think of). I get the point of your Dusknoir set and I'll give it a try. Thanks!
 
Pretty basic stall team.

Use Roar over Ice Fang on Hippowdon. Ice Fang became obsolete when Garchomp was banned. As for Tentacruel and Skarmory, there's really no need to have them on the team. Forretress does the job of both of them and opens up another slot on the team. Use 252 HP / 252 SpD / 6 Atk with a Careful nature and Payback / Rapid Spin / Toxic Spikes / Spikes. It doesn't absorb Tspikes like Tentacruel, nor does it avoid Ground type attacks like Skarmory, but it opens an empty space in your team which you can use to patch up some weakness'.

For Weezing, replace him with Restalk Gyarados. 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd with an Impish nature and Waterfall / Roar / Rest / Sleep Talk. This helps with your Lucario weakness but Gyarados is also much more useful than Weezing. As for Dusknoir, definitely replace him with Rotom-h. Dusknoir is way too outdated now, Rotom provides you with a reliable Scizor/Gyarados counter. Use Rest / Sleep Talk / Thunderbolt / WoW with a Bold nature and 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD.

For Blissey I think you should switch to using Max Def / Max HP Bold with Ice Beam, Seismic Toss, Toxic and Softboiled, this will help you with MixMence who gives you a LOT of trouble.

For the last slot, you could use quite a few Pokemon. ScarfRachi will give you another way of handling Pokemon such as Salamence, Gyarados, Scizor and Lucario, so you should definitely consider him. On the other hand, something like CroCune basically sweeps you so you could also try out Perish Song Celebi. Both work, I suggest ScarfRachi though.
 
One problem I'm having is trick users(mostly those w/ levitate). I'm able to predict pretty well when someone will trick. I'm think of changing Weezing to this:

Bronzong @ Macho Brace/Iron Ball
Levitate (won't hurt once i trick this onto an Azelf/Uxie/Flyer/Gengar/etc.)
Relaxed w/ 0 speed ev's
252 HP / 62 Atk / 104 Def / 92 SpD
Trick
Gyro Ball
Payback
????????

What do y'all think??

By the way, DarkCyberElf. I've enjoyed your Dusknoir!
 
That's not a brilliant Trick-counter, because Bronzong is actually worse off with a Choice Scarf than Macho Brace.

Replacing either Dusknoir or Weezing for a Choice Scarf Rotom appliance is a good option, because you can switch in on the Trick, which means they keep their Scarf, but are now locked on Trick, forcing a switch (and enabling you to Trick the incoming pokemon, or a slow thing later in the match once their tricker is gone).

Alternatively, replacing Weezing or Blissey for a Choice Scarf Latias. The same sort of thing as above applies. Or a ScarfRachi revenge killer (with or without Trick).
 
MrIndigo said:
That's not a brilliant Trick-counter, because Bronzong is actually worse off with a Choice Scarf than Macho Brace.

Replacing either Dusknoir or Weezing for a Choice Scarf Rotom appliance is a good option, because you can switch in on the Trick, which means they keep their Scarf, but are now locked on Trick, forcing a switch (and enabling you to Trick the incoming pokemon, or a slow thing later in the match once their tricker is gone).

Alternatively, replacing Weezing or Blissey for a Choice Scarf Latias. The same sort of thing as above applies. Or a ScarfRachi revenge killer (with or without Trick).
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But I can just trick the Choice Scarf on someone later in the game. What should Bronzong's last move be?
 
peadawg14 said:
But I can just trick the Choice Scarf on someone later in the game. What should Bronzong's last move be?
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That means you have to waste two turns, not to mention the fact that if they still have their Tricker alive, they can just recollect the Scarf after dumping Macho Brace onto one of your guys and block you. No, Bronzong works well as a Trick user, not as a Counter-Tricker.

If you want a Counter-Tricker, you really need to look at a fellow Scarfer.
 
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