Rate my Sandstorm team.

Sixonesix

Sixonesix

is a Past SPL Champion
Rate my Sandstorm team (changes made, please take a second look)

It looks solid to me, I just want to know if I'm forgetting anything. Here's the team:

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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish nature
252 HP, 6 attack, 252 defense
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Roar
Slack Off
My lead, provides rocks and sand for the rest of my team. It is forced to switch out on Gengar leads, but can stay in on anything physical, including Gyarados if it doesn't use Taunt.

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Garchomp @ Leftovers
Jolly nature
6 HP, 252 attack, 252 speed
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Substitute
Now that I've used Garchomp in a sandstorm, I can see why its so terrifying. I Sub until Sand Veil takes effect, then Swords Dance as much as possible, then proceed to kill everything that moves. Of course, without Fire Fang, it doesn't take on Bronzong as well as it could, but it can at least 2HKO with enough Swords Dances built up. By the way, I maxed speed in order to outrun Chainchomps and other Garchomps with 240 speed EVs.

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Modest nature
252 HP, 80 special attack, 176 speed
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Calm Mind
Substitute
My Blissey killer, people tend to switch it in when Jirachi makes its first Sub, then have to ST twice to break it, and after a few turns I have enough special attack to 2HKO the pink flab monster (and sweep the rest of their team, of course).

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Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish nature
252 HP, 96 attack, 156 defense, 4 speed
Brave Bird
Whirlwind
Spikes
Roost
Previously, I had been using a Forretress. All it did was set up Toxic Spikes and die. Now, I changed it to a Skarmory, so it can shuffle Spikes when Hippowdon fainted. However, I've found that it can't stay in all that long, because everyone nowadays seems to carry a move that scares it.

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold nature
252 HP, 252 defense, 6 special defense
Seismic Toss
Counter
Aromatherapy
Softboiled
What can I say, I just can't make a team without this girl. Even though she's vulnerable to sandstorm, Blissey is still more than bulky enough to take hits, and she can get over not having Leftovers recovery thanks to Softboiled.

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Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Modest nature
6 HP, 252 special attack, 252 speed
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power Ice
Focus Blast
Replacing my Choice Band Aerodactyl, Gengar provides t things for my team: a revenge killer of fast foes, most notably Infernape, which can destroy my entire team if it has HP Ice; and an anti-spinner of sorts, scoring OHKOs on Starmie and Donphan, and 2HKOs on Forretress and Tentacruel.

So that's that, is there anything I left out?
 
OK, once again, don't know how many times I have to post this. You are completely wasting Jirachi's potential. You want a sub-calm minder? use Mismagius or Riakou. Jirachi has better things to do with his time.

Wish passing is probably the best role Jirachi can fill. He can also paralalyze stuff with Body Slam or thunder. If you want a Calm Minder that can beat Blissey, use something better than Jirachi. I also don't see how you'll "sweep a team" with absolutely no recovery other than Leftovers, and poor speed. Any decent ground move could finish you off.

So yeah, in short, Wish is better. You already have some decent sweepers here, and Wishing can keep them coming back for more.


Oh yeah, Kingdra weakness. None of your pokes can switch in except Blissey, who gets 2HKOed by Waterfall. In short, you'd get swept if something else set up the rain for it... or if Blissey got killed.

Jirachi could take one hit, but with no recovery or means of threatening it, I don't see why he would.

PS: never leave Hippowdon in on Gyarados. Waterfall deals massive damage... and ALL of them pack Taunt. I don't think you have any counters for it really. Jirachi takes a large chunk from Earthquake, and again, with no recovery, cannot risk switching in repeatedly.
 
Definitely agree with skiddle. MASSIVE Kingdra weak. Also, note that the general structure of the team is OK, but consider using Jirachi to wish pass as well as haxing paralysis with Body Slam or Thunder (use Body Slam, Thunder can miss).

You might also want to reconsider running another sweeper - apart from Aerodactyl, I mean. consider that if ur aerodactyl is killed, almost nothing else has speed decent enough to pose a threat to something like Gengar.

Simply being a sandstorm team doesn't mean that U can't have sweepers that are damaged by it. Consider running something that is fast and powerful - preferably scarfed. It doesn't even need to survive particularly long. It's just there to revenge-kill.

Another thing, U really need a Heracross counter. All of Ur team gets 1 or 2 HKO by the big bug's moves
 
The thing is, Raikou is really bad on this team because it hates sandstorm since it negates its leftovers. The whole point of Sub Calm Minders is that they can recover with leftovers, so Jirachi is really the only pokemon for the job because of its sandstorm immunity.
 
uh jirachi is a great sub cmer it's pretty ignorant to prop missy/raikou over rachi when both lose their lefties to sand. skiddle ease up on the theorymon you have clearly never used subcmrachi in a metagame where everyone expects parahax jirachi. i have, and it DOES sweep teams.

bliss counters kingra (literally counters)
this is a great team so yeah.

id look for a fire attack somewhere since bronzong kind of walls your team. zap cannon on forry might help too ?___?


the jirachi evs i use are
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/92 Spd/44 SAtk which outspeeds jolly mammo and adamant luke. you can dump some def into sat if you like
 
I'd replace the Aerodactyl man. Shit, you could put a Gyarados there, which could be primed for a sweep eventually. Whats really important there however is, it gives you some help against Mamoswine without fucking up the rest of your team, cause of right now, you don't even have a single thing to switch into it, so Gyarados is a start.

I don't think you need Aromatherapy on Blissey as much, so Wish could be useful there as well, helps the Forretress, Gyara if you add it, and let's Garchomp attempt multiple sweeps.
 
Garchomp?

Although there's a gap in between, what are you really going to face within that speed range? Most Gengars are Scarf'd, so that was moot. Infernape is rare these days, but most don't carry Hidden Power Ice. You have Starmie, which you weren't going to KO and also doesn't carry Ice Beam as well.

But all those situations aside, I was trying to see if you were primed for a more wait-and-see approach. You stalk your opponent a bit, see what he has. Aerodactyl is more of like a semi-revenge killer, who doesn't revenge kill as well as you'd hope, I would imagine. Then when the situation comes out, Gyarados would be the safer route and the one with more rewards.

But of course if it's been working for you, then continue to use it
 
I agree with Gorm. I've been using CMJirachi for a LONG time, and it's quite easy to set up (because apparantly people expect Parahax/Wish passer), and it sweeps quite well. A "decent" ground attack can finish it off, but not always, if it's unstabbed it's not 1HKOing Jirachi (at least from what I've seen).

Also, how are they going to beat the Jirachi when it's behind a sub and can 1HKO the most common ground users after 2-3 CMs?

Anyways, 616 it's a really nice team, I've used one that was really similar, except I didn't use Garchomp or Skarmory, and not all Gyarados' have Taunt, mine doesn't for one, and some predict you'll be switching and use DD...
 
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