XY OU Rate My Team : Cloyster is faster 0_0 peaked 1463

[sebbydaman]

Cloyster is faster​

Intro​

Hey guys this was one of my first attempt to make a team for the ladder ; however , I wanted it to be built around cloyster because i believe he is an underrated Pokemon , but unfortunately , I didn't create this team at the beginning resulting in various losses so i had to switch names in order to get high on the ladder .since i used scarfed cloyster so much many people knew about it and it gave me too many loses = (. at the peaked i believe i was 14 and 2 but i feel like I'm missing something.Any way I'm going start now and show you the power of cloyster 0_0.

Team

Analysis

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Cloyster @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Razor Shell
- Rapid Spin

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The reason i picked cloyster is because icicle spear does a lot of damage to the meta and also along with a scarf it out speed ever poke beside base 130 pokes. it kills almost any lead like smergle , talon flame going for u turn , thunderous , landorus , landorus thearian , halwucha , garchomp , gengar and serious damages any poke. cloyster always nabs a kill or 2 becuase who scarfs a cloyster = ).I usually get enough damage on gardvoir or medicham with pursuit scizor that icicle crash is a ko.rapid spin is for the rocks that may be up so I can skilfully bravebird everything here is a match demonstrating cloyster taking out 3 pokes. not sure if i ran adamant if i can still out speed everything but that's what you guys are here for = )
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-154297153

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt
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Latios is an amazing pokemon and my only answer to dragon dance d nite or mega x. also outspeeds the whole meta game with scarf.the moments when i wished i ran life orb are scarce but scarfed latios catches all those gar chomps that are scarfed by surprise.standard 4 moves.here is a game where scarfed latios takes down 4 pokes = )

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-150772685 I knew the rotom was scarfed because it killed my cloyster = (

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Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hydro Pump
- Pain Split

Standard rotom set. this is my physical wall for everything such as azumarril , mega medicham , infernape etc. pain split allows it to damage pokes while gaining health. ( I hate the mirror )

Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Roost

Standard talon flame set.Wished i saved the game where I Skilfully bravebird his last 4 pokes. This really helps against anything that is weak to it.medicham , pinsir , heracross , clefable , scarfed kedleo , anything really.want to play the Sd version or that careful one i saw with bulk up.sadly when people see this poke it means that rocks are a priority but i have a spinner and a defogger.

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Flash Cannon
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power
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Heatran is my hyper voice wall. Flash cannon is for the fairy types that try to come in an heatran or when i stay in on mega gardvoir because she is going to focus blast me but i take a huge chunk out of life with flash cannon.its also good against balloon heatran who think they are safe from me = ).earth power is for opposing heatrans and talon flames that go for roost.I played Banded breloom but i needed a hyper voice sponge and this poke is my answer.

Scizor @ Shed Shell
Ability: Technician
EVs: 200 HP / 238 Atk / 70 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Defog
- Roost
(Super power) suggested by Repeater1947
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
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Yes i am playing shed shell scizor because i need it to take down mega gyardyvor or pursuit trap latios or damage any poke for cloyster to take down. i dont know why im running speed evs i rather invest it in special d but i know what i need to do now.though its rare i cannot get trapped by wobbafet , goth , and magnezone. also I get the fire boost with heatran.I usually switch rotom to scizor against medicham so i can pursuit it for some damage so cloyster can finish the job.I rather play super power instead of roost because i barely use it and is helpful against the heatran and magnezone switch ins. specs t bolt hits so hard.also use to play knock off but it didn't really matter as much.kinda lost what to put in.

Threats​

Have nothing for this poke except latios but it doesnt ohk it and ill be scared if they carry any pursuit trapper so = (.I hate the mirror match for this.

I hate the assault vest version -_- especially if rotom is gone im kinda screwed if it has a ton of life.(healing wish latias 0_0)

stall. i usually take out everything but 2 pokes.if i had a wish heal bell passer or played goth stall would lose easily but i dont play it -_-.Hate any game that last above 40 turns.

another thing is when they know cloyster is scarfed is when i lose a ton of momentum because this team is based upon cloyster taking out key poke so the other can do the job.

I played against the new baton pass team and won easily with breloom because after whismcott mento my scizor i switch into brellom while smergle geomancies, mach did 73 percent than he went for coton guard but another mach killed it.

importable

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Flash Cannon
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hydro Pump
- Pain Split

Cloyster @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Razor Shell
- Rapid Spin

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt

Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Roost

Scizor @ Shed Shell
Ability: Technician
EVs: 200 HP / 238 Atk / 70 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit

 

[sebbydaman]

any advice to improve the team ????

 

[Repeater1947]

Hello. I'm not that of a good rater, however, I will try my best to help.

For Scizor, I honestly don't know why you preferred Shed Shell instead of Scizorite. Magnezone, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet, and other trappers are such rare in the OU meta. You're better off when running this set.

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 200 HP / 238 Atk / 70 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Defog /Roost
- U-turn / Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit / U-turn

I prefer that you should Superpower, as checking Heatran, Tyranitar and Magnezone seem neat. Roost seems handy, since you already have Cloyster as a rapid spinner. However, you can still use Defog if you don't want Cloyster to take a hit in the process of hazard removal. You should probably try out U-turn as well.

Against Latios:
238+ Atk Mega Scizor U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 336-396 (111.2 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Sorry if I'm not that informative; I'm in a hurry. If there are better team raters out there, please add/change something to my suggestions.

 

[sebbydaman]

Hello. I'm not that of a good rater, however, I will try my best to help.

For Scizor, I honestly don't know why you preferred Shed Shell instead of Scizorite. Magnezone, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet, and other trappers are such rare in the OU meta. You're better off when running this set.

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 200 HP / 238 Atk / 70 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Defog /Roost
- U-turn / Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit / U-turn

I prefer that you should Superpower, as checking Heatran, Tyranitar and Magnezone seem neat. Roost seems handy, since you already have Cloyster as a rapid spinner. However, you can still use Defog if you don't want Cloyster to take a hit in the process of hazard removal. You should probably try out U-turn as well.

Against Latios:
238+ Atk Mega Scizor U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 336-396 (111.2 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Sorry if I'm not that informative; I'm in a hurry. If there are better team raters out there, please add/change something to my suggestions.

hey i prob put super power in but i need shed shell because he is my only defogger and i cant lose him lol.

 

[WaffleTitan]

Choice scarf cloyster is creative, and probly surprises lots of people, but I think the shell smash variation works a lot better in general. Altough it does not work against some leads, it has the ability to sweep, especially now with aegislash banned. This is the set:

Cloyster-white herb
Ability-skill link
Nature-adamant/jolly
EVs-252atk 252spe 4def
-icicle spear
-rock blast
-shell smash
-razor shell

 

[sebbydaman]

Choice scarf cloyster is creative, and probly surprises lots of people, but I think the shell smash variation works a lot better in general. Altough it does not work against some leads, it has the ability to sweep, especially now with aegislash banned. This is the set:

Cloyster-white herb
Ability-skill link
Nature-adamant/jolly
EVs-252atk 252spe 4def
-icicle spear
-rock blast
-shell smash
-razor shell

Thanks for the input but cloyster lacks the bulk to survive a shell smash and gets walled by rotom, azu, and other bulky Pokes and gets ohk by faster threats that are common but I'll try it out.

 

[Repeater1947]

As Cloyster lacks the special bulk, I would suggest removing White Herb, and replacing it with Focus Sash. It will guarantee a Shell Smash boost. I always used that when I played Gen 5 OU. ;)

Due to how common priority attackers are in Gen 6, Cloyster may be somewhat hard to use, so good luck on that! ;)

 

[Naarly117]

I've used a lot of these Pokemon extensively myself, and there's a lot of things wrong with this team:

1. Your Scizor build is just... Awful. Sorry, but there's no other way to put that. Here's a better one:

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn

Mega Scizor makes a much better physical wall than any regular Scizor, and is the best Defogger in the game in my opinion due to his massive physical bulk. Roost is absolutely necessary to sponge hits and create opportunities to Defog. U-turn erases your fear of being trapped, but that brings up another question: Why are you so afraid of having Scizor trapped? Gothitelle and Wobuffet would NEVER switch into Scizor for fear of U-turn. Magnezone could still be a problem, but he's so rare in the meta that it's not worth giving up your hold item just to escape him. And Pursuit trapping is a non-issue; it's a relatively weak neutral hit on the physical side, and this Scizor can tank them like a boss. Bullet Punch takes up the last spot as a great check for Fairies, doing massive damage to all of them except Azumarill and Klefki (who wouldn't try setting up Screens on M-Scizor anyway because of Defog).

2. This team has a huge weakness to Greninja, who can outspeed Scizor, Rotom-W, Talonflame, and Heatran and OHKO them with HP Fire/Grass Knot/Hydro Pump. The easiest way to check this is to run Jolly Talonflame instead of Adamant: The power difference is negligible but the speed boost is crucial. This way you can outspeed and do massive damage to Greninja with U-turn before it can get a hit off and change type with Protean.

3. Your Heatran build is mediocre; using 3 attacks on a defensive build is generally not the best idea. Stealth Rock is okay, but I'll address that in my next point - drop it for either Protect or Will-O-Wisp. Disabling Physical attackers with a burn goes great with his Special bulk, and Protect gives him more Leftovers recovery and allows him to scout out enemy attacks. Also consider using Roar to phaze out setup sweepers, which your team has a huge weakness to. Here's a better build:

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 220 SpD / 40 Spe
Calm Nature
- Lave Plume
- Protect
-Will-O-Wisp
-Roar

4. Rotom-W is weak as a Physical wall, and his ability to burn attackers is covered by Heatran. Your team also has no answer for strong Special attackers. Therefore I suggest the famous pink blob:

Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
- Stealth Rock

This Chansey can tank just about any non-Fighting attack with ease. Wish and Heal Bell together allow her to act as a full cleric for the entire team. The ability to restore HP for teammates and clear every status condition in one turn is excellent, especially against Stall teams that rely on burn and poison to wear down enemies. As Chansey is so durable, she makes an excellent Stealth Rock setter who can use the move multiple times throughout the match. Finally, Protect fills the 4th moveslot as it pairs excellently with Wish to form reliable self-recovery.

5. Replace Surf on Latios with Trick. The ability to completely wreck any defensive Pokemon is worth giving up the extra coverage, especially when you already have a strong Water attacker in Cloyster.

I'm gonna go play on the ladder with both your version and mine. Will post findings shortly.

 

[sebbydaman]

Where is the Breloom? O.o I don't remember if you won against me (I don't remember about you and your team btw) because I don't play on the shitty ladder anymore, and lol if I ever lose to this team

252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Smeargle through Reflect: 138-163 (54.9 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. +3 0 HP / 252 Def Smeargle through Reflect: 55-66 (21.9 - 26.2%) -- 6.1% chance to 4HKO

sorry bro, but you can't stop Smeargle even if you had Breloom. Your current team has no way to beat my team unless you get a lucky crit with your Band flame.

Ok, now let me try to help you and your team. First of all, yeah, you can surprise your opponent with your Scarf Cloyster at least once, but your set is just terrible, and Cloyster itself is a terrible mon in the current metagame. I could spend a lot of time trying to explain why, but I will just leave you with this XY OU Viability Ranking Thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-viability-ranking-thread-v3-check-post-90.3515714/. As you can see, Cloyster is unranked.

If you have problems with Stall teams you should try Calm Mind Clefable, and it also has a good synergy with the other mons. Clefable also helps you with your Rotom-w weakness, since it doesn't worry about being burned and takes Volt Switches all day.

My last suggestion is to use a Mega Scizor, since there is no reason to not use a Mega Evolution, and Shed Shell Scizor is a top garbage mon (never saw that before for a good reason). Mega scizor is also bulky enough to handle Azumarill and Mega Gardevoir (Focus Blast fails to 2HKO even with Stealth Rock support). If you are really worried about trapping stuff you should run U-Turn for god sake o.o

use this

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power / Flamethrower

the screens went away when the momento happened . second time we played you went straight for the tailwind on the talon flame.first game it died but yes cloyster does suck i tried to make it shine but other pokes do such a better job.thanks for the input.

 

[sebbydaman]

I've used a lot of these Pokemon extensively myself, and there's a lot of things wrong with this team:

1. Your Scizor build is just... Awful. Sorry, but there's no other way to put that. Here's a better one:

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn

Mega Scizor makes a much better physical wall than any regular Scizor, and is the best Defogger in the game in my opinion due to his massive physical bulk. Roost is absolutely necessary to sponge hits and create opportunities to Defog. U-turn erases your fear of being trapped, but that brings up another question: Why are you so afraid of having Scizor trapped? Gothitelle and Wobuffet would NEVER switch into Scizor for fear of U-turn. Magnezone could still be a problem, but he's so rare in the meta that it's not worth giving up your hold item just to escape him. And Pursuit trapping is a non-issue; it's a relatively weak neutral hit on the physical side, and this Scizor can tank them like a boss. Bullet Punch takes up the last spot as a great check for Fairies, doing massive damage to all of them except Azumarill and Klefki (who wouldn't try setting up Screens on M-Scizor anyway because of Defog).

2. This team has a huge weakness to Greninja, who can outspeed Scizor, Rotom-W, Talonflame, and Heatran and OHKO them with HP Fire/Grass Knot/Hydro Pump. The easiest way to check this is to run Jolly Talonflame instead of Adamant: The power difference is negligible but the speed boost is crucial. This way you can outspeed and do massive damage to Greninja with U-turn before it can get a hit off and change type with Protean.

3. Your Heatran build is mediocre; using 3 attacks on a defensive build is generally not the best idea. Stealth Rock is okay, but I'll address that in my next point - drop it for either Protect or Will-O-Wisp. Disabling Physical attackers with a burn goes great with his Special bulk, and Protect gives him more Leftovers recovery and allows him to scout out enemy attacks. Also consider using Roar to phaze out setup sweepers, which your team has a huge weakness to. Here's a better build:

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 220 SpD / 40 Spe
Calm Nature
- Lave Plume
- Protect
-Will-O-Wisp
-Roar

4. Rotom-W is weak as a Physical wall, and his ability to burn attackers is covered by Heatran. Your team also has no answer for strong Special attackers. Therefore I suggest the famous pink blob:

Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
- Stealth Rock

This Chansey can tank just about any non-Fighting attack with ease. Wish and Heal Bell together allow her to act as a full cleric for the entire team. The ability to restore HP for teammates and clear every status condition in one turn is excellent, especially against Stall teams that rely on burn and poison to wear down enemies. As Chansey is so durable, she makes an excellent Stealth Rock setter who can use the move multiple times throughout the match. Finally, Protect fills the 4th moveslot as it pairs excellently with Wish to form reliable self-recovery.

5. Replace Surf on Latios with Trick. The ability to completely wreck any defensive Pokemon is worth giving up the extra coverage, especially when you already have a strong Water attacker in Cloyster.

I'm gonna go play on the ladder with both your version and mine. Will post findings shortly.

thanks for the input i usually kill grenija when they hp grass my rotom then i surprise it with the cloyster or just rock blast it when it has low health.i just very weak to hyper voice spam since none of my pokes take it well except heatran or scizor but if scizor is gone i have to sack a ton of pokes but with chansey it does help alot.but what about rocks ??? for heatran

 

[sebbydaman]

do you have any proof? I really can't remember about these battles. And I don't even ladder anymore

I didnt save it = ( thought it was a random dude trying to make it work. but when i replace breloom with heatran i auto lose against this team even if i know what is going to happen.

 

[Naarly117]

You don't need rocks on Heatran if you have them on Chansey, it's a waste of a moveslot. And relying on surprise to kill something is never a reliable option. What is it you need the extra power on Talonflame for? Does it get any OHKOes or 2HKOes that Jolly doesn't? If not, you need to run the extra speed.

 

[sebbydaman]

You don't need rocks on Heatran if you have them on Chansey, it's a waste of a moveslot. And relying on surprise to kill something is never a reliable option. What is it you need the extra power on Talonflame for? Does it get any OHKOes or 2HKOes that Jolly doesn't? If not, you need to run the extra speed.

yea -__- i know especially if i already faced the opponent before i get wrecked.

 

[Naarly117]

Does anyone actually run SpD on Clefable? I thought he always runs max Physical bulk and uses Calm Mind to patch up SpD. That's how I've always used him anyway

 

[sebbydaman]

hm.. just change the OP then, because it wasn't me lol

and also the Clefable set that I suggested previously counters Greninja, just saying.

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 181-214 (45.9 - 54.3%) -- 5.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery <= If you manage to keep your Clefable 100% you will always be able to tank a Hydro Pump

i remember the sexy guy lol but ill edit it. it was in the ou suspect ladder and it was in the 1200.yea im might just drop cloyster now since he relies to much on surprises = ( clefable is a good add on thanks for the input = )

 

[Naarly117]

I usually just use Talonflame to take him out - with max Speed I can use U-turn to either do big damage to Gren or gain momentum on a switch. Or just Brave Bird him if it's late game

 

[Naarly117]

nice way to deal with Greninja! Unless you have super and amazing predicting skills (bring Talon on HP Grass) or if you sack a Pokemon for each time you need to check it then everything is alright

Valid point. I usually sponge attacks with Chansey until I see a decent switch-in opportunity... Then again, I usually just troll the bottom of the ladder. The people there generally aren't the brightest bulbs in the pack. Also, why HP Grass instead of Grass Knot on Greninja? Just curious

 

[Naarly117]

Having a Chansey is a completely different story...

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Grass Knot (20 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 70-86 (23 - 28.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 205-244 (67.4 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

sebbydaman forgot that you need to invest 44 speed EVs on Rotom-w because it is important to outspeed the Jolly Belly Drum set

Ah. That explains it

 

[Naarly117]

So back to the original topic... I've tested both your team and my version of it, focusing on Heatran and Scizor as those were the mons I made the biggest changes to. Mega Scizor is much better than normal Scizor. Your Heatran has crap for offensive presence, but mine isn't as durable as I would like. I've had that problem with Heatran in the past. Chansey is a lot more durable than Rotom-W, and serves a better purpose. So swapping Scizor for Mega Scizor and Rotom-W for Chansey are changes you should make that definitely improve the team. More than that you can figure out for yourself, I've got my own teams to test. Good luck.

 

[sebbydaman]

So back to the original topic... I've tested both your team and my version of it, focusing on Heatran and Scizor as those were the mons I made the biggest changes to. Mega Scizor is much better than normal Scizor. Your Heatran has crap for offensive presence, but mine isn't as durable as I would like. I've had that problem with Heatran in the past. Chansey is a lot more durable than Rotom-W, and serves a better purpose. So swapping Scizor for Mega Scizor and Rotom-W for Chansey are changes you should make that definitely improve the team. More than that you can figure out for yourself, I've got my own teams to test. Good luck.

how do i handle azzmuril especcial assault vest version ??

 

[sebbydaman]

252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Waterfall vs. 248 HP / 60+ Def Mega Scizor: 103-123 (30 - 35.8%) -- 35.4% chance to 3HKO

Azumarill can't touch you (if you are using my recommendated Mega Scizor). The combination of Roost and Bullet Punch is pretty much enough to beat it.

aaaaaaa i see the power of mega scizor 0_o will begin using it