Razor Bros. Strike Back! (OU)

[JarardoMartino]

Hello, Smogon, it's time for my second RMT! This one stars the evolutions of the two Johto Pokémon who both evolved in the dead of night with the Razor items; GLISCOR and WEAVILE! This team is admittedly identical to my first RMT but fined tuned and without the Tangrowth angle (which shall be left for Sunny Day Teams)

Changes in BOLD

At A Glance

I tried to use OUs that haven't been seen much over those that are over-abundant and ones that are impossible for me to obtain. The synergy amongst them is pretty solid in terms that they check each other’s counters and common threats in OU.

THE LEAD

GLISCOR AKA GliscorFTW
ITEM@ Leftovers
ABILITY: Sand Veil
NATURE: Jolly
EVs: HP 252/ Def 40/ 216 Spe
MOVESET
-Earthquake
-Roost
-U-Turn
-Stealth Rock

Analysis
My fav Pokémon and the first Razor Bro. He is a typical SR Lead that abuses U-turn on any leads that out speed and/or can't counter and comes back later to wall if needed. This is how I use U-Turn to combat common leads in OU:
Azelf: U-turn breaks the its sash and Weavile KOs with a pursuit
Aerodactyl: Breaks sash and Weavile KOs with Ice Shard
Machamp: Rotom-H takes the Dynamic Punch and Will-o-Wisps and/or fires stab shadow balls/thunderbolts.
There are others but most other leads I can SR or KO easily. The only leads that are problems are Roserade and maybe Mamoswine. But since 4 of my team members are unaffected by Toxic Spikes, I don't see her causing too much harm.

Synergy
Ice Vaporeon, Metagross, Rotom-H
Water Vaporeon, Metagross, Rotom-H

THE REVENGE KILLER

WEAVILE AKA YoungWeavy
ITEM@ Expert Belt
ABILITY: Pressure
NATURE: Jolly
EVs: HP 40/ Atk 252/ Spe 216
MOVESET
-Pursuit
-Ice Shard
-Low Kick
-Ice Punch

Analysis
The Second Razor Bro's job as a revenge killer is pretty much set in stone. He deals blows to the dragons that plague OU and psychics like Starmie, Celebi, and Latias. Break Break deals with Snorlax and Blissey. Aerial Ace deals with the fighting types that give Weavile trouble. Gliscor's SR support really helps Weavile finish foes off by turning 2HKOs into OHKOs. Vaporeon's wish support makes it easier for Weavile to come in while the opponent has rocks up as well.

Synergy
Fighting: Togekiss, Rotom-H
Bug: Togekiss, Rotom-H
Fire: Vaporeon
Rock: Metagross

THE SPECIAL WALL

VAPOREON AKA Aquafina
ITEM@ Leftovers
ABILITY: Water Absorb
NATURE: Bold
EVs: HP 188/ Def 252/ Spe 68
MOVESET
-Wish
-Protect
-Surf
-Toxic

Analysis
The Razor Bros. Have a lot in common: Johto heritage, Natures, 252/216/40 EV spreads, and a Gyarados weakness. Vaporeon is an excellent Gyarados counter and always pair well with Gliscor. Wish support is greatly appreciated by everyone on my team especially when Togekiss and Weavile have to come in while the opponent has rocks up. Toxic helps Vaporeon stall many other pokes, mainly fellow bulky waters.

Synergy
Electric: Gliscor. Rotom-H
Grass: Rotom-H, Metagross, Togekiss

THE EASY BAKE

ROTOM-H AKA Mr. Coffee
ITEM@ Choice Scarf
ABILITY: Levitate
NATURE: Modest
EVs: HP 4/ Sp.Atk 252/ Spe 252
MOVESET:
-Overheat
-Shadow Ball
-Discharge
-Trick

Analysis
Rotom-H is my answer to Scizor and other steel types out there. His many resistances make him an excellent sweeper. He is also one of the best spin-blockers in the metagame. Trick ruins blissey and Discharge and Shadow Ball are two powerful STAB moves so Rotom-H can wreak havoc. (Plus it's nice to have some paralysis).

Synergy
Dark: Vaporeon, Gliscor
Ghost: Togekiss

THE GREAT WHITE HOPE

TOGEKISS AKA Penpek
ITEM@ Lum Berry
ABILITY: Serene Grace
NATURE: Timid
EVs: 168 HP / 102 SpA / 236 Spe
MOVESET:
-Nasty Plot
-Roost
-Air Slash
-Heal Bell

Analysis
Togekisses role as a bulky sweeper insures that it well be able to last and cause alot of trouble for teams after a Nasty Plot or two. I chose this set because of its survivablity makes so it takes a high-powered super-effective STAB move to take her down. Air Slash is not only a nice STAB, it's flinch rate is doubled by Serene Grace so the foe flinches more than half the time. Heal Bell helps get rid of statuses that could ruin my sweep and put a stop to stall.

Synergy
Electric: Gliscor
Rock: Metagross
Ice: Vaporeon

THE LATE GAME SWEEPER

METAGROSS AKA BritishSteel
ITEM@ Life Orb
NATURE: Naughty
EVs: Atk 252/ Sp.Atk 124/ Spe 132
MOVESET:
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-Shadow Ball
-Grass Knot

Analysis
I needed to have some more long lasting physical power that didn't share the same weaknesses with my other team mates so I stumbled upon Metagross. Meteor Mash is a powerful STAB and Earthquake deals with fires and steel types. Shadow Ball deals with other rotom that come in on the switch. I went mixed so i could have Grass Knot for bulky waters like Swampert incase Vaporeon isn't alive to handle them.

Synergy
Fire: Vaporeon
Ground: Gliscor, Rotom-H, Togekiss

A Final Look

Well there you have it. Any critisms that can improve this team are highly appreciated. Happy Rating!

 

[animenagai]

Hmmmm, it seems that you've covered many threats decently, so I should applaud you for that. However, there is one major problem on your team - you can't deal with stall. Normally, I would advise a few changes to a team that is stall weak, but luckily for you, you do have a poke that can become a potent stall breaker without too many changes - togekiss.

I would just run RaikouLover's stall breaker set, that is the set you have now with heal bell > aura sphere. You could also give metagross hp fire/shadow ball over rock slide in order to lure rotom or skarm, so togekiss an sweep.

The only other problem with the team atm is the lack of speed, but I don't want to make too many changes to your team. Good luck.

 

[JarardoMartino]

Thanks for the rate, Animenagai! I looked at Raikoulover's set like you said and i liked what i saw. The nature and Evs give it more speed and still has its bulk. I have noticed the lack of speed on my time but i'm still trying find a way to boost it. I once considered the agili-gross set but i went with the mixed set for coverage. Speaking of metagross, you bring a good point about rockslide and will go with shadow ball to deal with other rotoms.

 

[Chillarmy]

I'm really confused about Aerial Ace. ResTalk Machamp takes a maximum of 64% from it while Breloom is OHKO'd by Ice Punch anyway. Giving Weavile another STAB attack prevents it from being stopped cold by a decent amount of OU.

This team has a lot of problems with Tyranitar when you take into account that nothing on this team has a solid switch in to it. Dragon Dance Tyranitar can also do quite a bit of damage when Weavile is out of play. Replacing Togekiss with Machamp sounds like an excellent option for this team since it can check Tyranitar and act as a status absorber.

On a smaller note, Vaporeon is not a Special wall.

 

[JarardoMartino]

I'm really confused about Aerial Ace. ResTalk Machamp takes a maximum of 64% from it while Breloom is OHKO'd by Ice Punch anyway. Giving Weavile another STAB attack prevents it from being stopped cold by a decent amount of OU.

This team has a lot of problems with Tyranitar when you take into account that nothing on this team has a solid switch in to it. Dragon Dance Tyranitar can also do quite a bit of damage when Weavile is out of play. Replacing Togekiss with Machamp sounds like an excellent option for this team since it can check Tyranitar and act as a status absorber.

On a smaller note, Vaporeon is not a Special wall.

Hm... I did underestimate the versatility of tyranitar due to its movepool. Also my teams lack of speed makes it bait for tyranitar. I just assumed that gliscor would handle him if he was alive. I'm going to go with ice punch over aerial ace on weavile. Though restalk mechamp sounds promising, togekiss is my stall breaker and i don't wanna switch him. and looking now vaporeon is more of a stall wish supporter than a wall :P. Which got me considering switching Metagross with an actual special wall, bronzong. His gyro balls can turn the tables on dd t-tar but that would leave me down a physical juggernaut. Then i thought of Lucario how does have speed and good attack but i'm not sure what to choose...

 

[FAHKMAN]

I dunno if this is already a catch phrase, but...

"When in doubt, Scizor it."

an SD Scizor presents itself as a strong alternative to Metagross, and can mindgame your opponents who are used to CB scizor.

 

[JarardoMartino]

I dunno if this is already a catch phrase, but...

"When in doubt, Scizor it."

an SD Scizor presents itself as a strong alternative to Metagross, and can mindgame your opponents who are used to CB scizor.

Your right, Scizor can fill that gap and can deal with DD tyranitar. to be honest, I was trying to avoid using scizor to prove some kind of point because i got annoyed with every other team i see has one. But, he is in top use for a reason so I'll probably swap him in for metagross. I like the idea of SD scizor cause i don't like choice items. But are priority moves really a substitute for raw speed? For this reason I've been also considering SD Lucario.

I'm still open for anymore suggestions.

 

[ginganinja]

Ill make a quick comment casue i gotta go to sleep....
Weavile would like low kick better than brick break as it hits the heavier pokemon in OU harder.
Also try Rotom with a Scarf as you can now revenge kill faster threats which may threaten your team.

 

[JarardoMartino]

yeah my first RMT had a low kick weavile and really liked it but some people said it was lame but i'll probably go to low kick. A scarf on rotom-h will realy speed things up but if i put a scarf on rotom-h, should i switch will-o-wisp with trick?
[EDIT]
Now using trick on rotom-h

 

[JarardoMartino]

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