I'm doing pretty decent with this team as I've never really been a great singles player, but setting up win conditions with Gyarados is how I play most of my games, although Chandelure can win games by spamming shadow ball after the other team gets weakened. This doesn't happen often though and I thought I could help Chandelure out if I found a way to set up rocks and spikes while also stopping hazards from my side.
Note: This is an in game team, I made it to play in wifi tourneys and local tourneys. So mons like Heatran and Deoxys aren't possible for me to get. I already have Landorus, Tornadus, Thundurus, and Latios though.
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 88 HP / 248 Atk / 4 Def / 168 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
My mega and main sweeper. I am running the bulky ddance set even though it may seem counter productive without lefties, but intimidate and the HP go a long way. My spread in game is a bit more defensive, although I'm not sure exactly what it is. I really like Gyarados this gen, because not mega evolving first turn allows you to play mind games by baiting in Rotom-W and preserving intimidate for future switch ins. With intimidate it can check talonflame, and after 2 ddances it can't be stopped (1 ddance works in late game). Bullet punch and aqua jet do nothing to MGyarados and if they are running mons that carry mach punch I don't have to mega evolve until they are taken care of.
Scizor @ Lum Berry
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Acrobatics
- X-Scissor
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
A second sweeper but more importantly lum scizor counters the pokemon that give gyarados trouble like MVenusaur and Breloom. The lum berry allows me to avoid sleep and get a powerful acrobatics that damages mons that normally carry sleep moves. I allows me to swords dance on mons that are most likely going to twave or w-o-w. X-scissor is for STAB and coverage and the SD + Bullet punch is for spam spam spam. 4 Spd just to get the jump on 0 spd Scizor. I really like lum scizor, and the flying move catches others by surprise. I wish I had room for roost, but I don't. Is there a better bulky spread for SD scizor w/o roost?
Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Rock Tomb
Breloom is a pretty good to have simply because it can go one on one with many things. The focus sash lets Breloom stay in on Tflame and Heatran to KO them. Bullet seed wrecks anything grass weak that makes the mistake of staying in on it. Mach punch is the main form of attack and revenge killing, although I find myself using rock tomb often because it hits pokemon on the switch to lower their speed, which stops pokemon from checking Breloom that would normally would be able to revenge kill it, like Landorus and Chandelure. If there was a way to help my team by replacing breloom I wouldn't mind switching breloom out. It's good at putting things to sleep but most people have an answer to it. (ferrothorn might be good here. If you read below you'll see I'm looking for hazards. Ferrothorn would also give me a way to check opposing Brelooms?)
Mandibuzz (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Taunt
- Foul Play
- Roost
- Defog
Mandibuzz can switch in on brave birds for fun and can stop hazard set ups. It also stops the CharX sweep which is dangerous to the rest of my team. Foul Play and roost are necessary to stop almost all physical attackers, while defog gets rid of SR which plagues my team. Taunt stop setup mons and from statusing and stalling out Mandibuzz, namely Gliscor and Skarmory. Mandibuzz is extremely underrated. I think a huge plus to this mon is it can be either a SDef or Def wall, and it does the opposite decent enough anyway with max HP. With overcoat it can take on powder moves and sand, while hitting those sand attackers hard with foul play.
Latios (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Energy Ball
- Surf
Latios AKA the NUKE. I am looking to replace latios, simply because most people switch in to special walls or steel types and even if those are eliminated you can't really clean up with a draco meteor that -2 you every turn. Or maybe I'm not good at using Latios. Its role is just too similar to Chandlure and I feel Chandelure adds more to the team. I think Latios should be replaced with something that can either setup hazards or stop them. Psyshock is to break special walls, and Energy ball and surf are for coverage. The best part of Latios is that it can OHKO so many things that seem unrealistic, but that about all its good for is nuking with DM. Even with CS the damage just ins't there for me.
Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Psychic
Chandelure is here to spam shadow ball. I like Chandelure because it can either spam SB at the beginning to put major pressure on the opposing team, or it can be used to clean up the game. Fire blast is there for stab, as it can be spammed in the right condition. Energy ball is for coverage, and I think a lot of people do not know that Chandelure gets energy ball, which is good, because they often stay in when I put Chandlure in front of a Quadsire. Psychic seems like an odd choice, but it does get the 2HKO on 252 HP / 4 SDef MVenusaur. Clear smog might be a decent choice though, as it would be a good way to stop baton pass chains. Scarf Chandelure is an A+ pokemon, and I feel it has fallen into the abyss from the usage it used to get. My main issue is it needs hazards to help it nab more KOs.
That's my team. I'm looking for suggestions to switch out Latios and Mandibuzz, as they don't really fit the way I like to play (stalling, not being able to stay in with a choiced mon). I'm looking for two mons that could satisfy stealth rock, spike or toxic spikes, a way to stop hazards, and be able to do this while applying offensive pressure. I don't have a way to get good legendaries or BW move tutor moves on 5iv pokemon, but if anyone has a way to gen these I wouldn't decline :) (I could offer you some nice 5iv or bank ball stuff though :D)
Thanks in advance!
Edit: I know this is an RMT, but I really need some help! The only pokes I really want to keep are Gyarados, Scizor, and Chandelure, so if anyone can help me form the rest of the team around them that would be great!
Note: This is an in game team, I made it to play in wifi tourneys and local tourneys. So mons like Heatran and Deoxys aren't possible for me to get. I already have Landorus, Tornadus, Thundurus, and Latios though.
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 88 HP / 248 Atk / 4 Def / 168 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
My mega and main sweeper. I am running the bulky ddance set even though it may seem counter productive without lefties, but intimidate and the HP go a long way. My spread in game is a bit more defensive, although I'm not sure exactly what it is. I really like Gyarados this gen, because not mega evolving first turn allows you to play mind games by baiting in Rotom-W and preserving intimidate for future switch ins. With intimidate it can check talonflame, and after 2 ddances it can't be stopped (1 ddance works in late game). Bullet punch and aqua jet do nothing to MGyarados and if they are running mons that carry mach punch I don't have to mega evolve until they are taken care of.
Scizor @ Lum Berry
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Acrobatics
- X-Scissor
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
A second sweeper but more importantly lum scizor counters the pokemon that give gyarados trouble like MVenusaur and Breloom. The lum berry allows me to avoid sleep and get a powerful acrobatics that damages mons that normally carry sleep moves. I allows me to swords dance on mons that are most likely going to twave or w-o-w. X-scissor is for STAB and coverage and the SD + Bullet punch is for spam spam spam. 4 Spd just to get the jump on 0 spd Scizor. I really like lum scizor, and the flying move catches others by surprise. I wish I had room for roost, but I don't. Is there a better bulky spread for SD scizor w/o roost?
Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Rock Tomb
Breloom is a pretty good to have simply because it can go one on one with many things. The focus sash lets Breloom stay in on Tflame and Heatran to KO them. Bullet seed wrecks anything grass weak that makes the mistake of staying in on it. Mach punch is the main form of attack and revenge killing, although I find myself using rock tomb often because it hits pokemon on the switch to lower their speed, which stops pokemon from checking Breloom that would normally would be able to revenge kill it, like Landorus and Chandelure. If there was a way to help my team by replacing breloom I wouldn't mind switching breloom out. It's good at putting things to sleep but most people have an answer to it. (ferrothorn might be good here. If you read below you'll see I'm looking for hazards. Ferrothorn would also give me a way to check opposing Brelooms?)
Mandibuzz (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Taunt
- Foul Play
- Roost
- Defog
Mandibuzz can switch in on brave birds for fun and can stop hazard set ups. It also stops the CharX sweep which is dangerous to the rest of my team. Foul Play and roost are necessary to stop almost all physical attackers, while defog gets rid of SR which plagues my team. Taunt stop setup mons and from statusing and stalling out Mandibuzz, namely Gliscor and Skarmory. Mandibuzz is extremely underrated. I think a huge plus to this mon is it can be either a SDef or Def wall, and it does the opposite decent enough anyway with max HP. With overcoat it can take on powder moves and sand, while hitting those sand attackers hard with foul play.
Latios (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Energy Ball
- Surf
Latios AKA the NUKE. I am looking to replace latios, simply because most people switch in to special walls or steel types and even if those are eliminated you can't really clean up with a draco meteor that -2 you every turn. Or maybe I'm not good at using Latios. Its role is just too similar to Chandlure and I feel Chandelure adds more to the team. I think Latios should be replaced with something that can either setup hazards or stop them. Psyshock is to break special walls, and Energy ball and surf are for coverage. The best part of Latios is that it can OHKO so many things that seem unrealistic, but that about all its good for is nuking with DM. Even with CS the damage just ins't there for me.
Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Psychic
Chandelure is here to spam shadow ball. I like Chandelure because it can either spam SB at the beginning to put major pressure on the opposing team, or it can be used to clean up the game. Fire blast is there for stab, as it can be spammed in the right condition. Energy ball is for coverage, and I think a lot of people do not know that Chandelure gets energy ball, which is good, because they often stay in when I put Chandlure in front of a Quadsire. Psychic seems like an odd choice, but it does get the 2HKO on 252 HP / 4 SDef MVenusaur. Clear smog might be a decent choice though, as it would be a good way to stop baton pass chains. Scarf Chandelure is an A+ pokemon, and I feel it has fallen into the abyss from the usage it used to get. My main issue is it needs hazards to help it nab more KOs.
That's my team. I'm looking for suggestions to switch out Latios and Mandibuzz, as they don't really fit the way I like to play (stalling, not being able to stay in with a choiced mon). I'm looking for two mons that could satisfy stealth rock, spike or toxic spikes, a way to stop hazards, and be able to do this while applying offensive pressure. I don't have a way to get good legendaries or BW move tutor moves on 5iv pokemon, but if anyone has a way to gen these I wouldn't decline :) (I could offer you some nice 5iv or bank ball stuff though :D)
Thanks in advance!
Edit: I know this is an RMT, but I really need some help! The only pokes I really want to keep are Gyarados, Scizor, and Chandelure, so if anyone can help me form the rest of the team around them that would be great!
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