[RMT] - Bulkattacking

[Gymdude]

Team Overview​

The main idea I had when I made this team was to take control of the match with somewhat bulky attackers (aka. Metagross, Togekiss, and Suicune) with some help from Dugtrio, Weezing, and Blissey.​

MetaX (Metagross) @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/244 Atk/12 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
My lead for the team. Bullet Punch over anything else because it hammers the most popular leads of Gengar, Azelf, Weavile, Aerodactyl, etc. Anything else is taken care of with Meteor Mash and Explosion destroys everything except Skarmory (which it does about 80% to).
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No Escape (Dugtrio) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Perhaps the best revenge killer in the game. It covers anything that I might have trouble with such as Ttar, Heracross, or Gyarados. I can also come in on Gengar and Azlef as well since they think they can escape with Levitate only to meet head on with pursuit. Even if they don't switch, it is still an OHKO.
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Kiss-Kiss (Togekiss) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/104 Spd/152 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
This thing is deadly when it outspeeds everything and has the proper set up. Nasty Plot on the switch, then attempt to wear the opponent down. Togekiss shrugs off Thunderbolts and Ice Beams pretty well considering it's weak to them, plus if there's an obvious thunderbolt comming I can switch in to Dugtrio to KO it. Roost is also helpful as it eliminates it's electric and ice weakness even more. The only thing is it's Status bait so I may consider Lum Berry.
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Sneezing (Weezing) (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Pain Split
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Will-o-wisp
Yes, that's right, Restalk Weezing. I like Restalk better because Pain Split is so unreliable, the only thing lost is coverage towards Gyarados and I seem to see a drop in taunt versions lately... maybe Thunderbolt over Sludge Bomb? Weezing over Gliscor because with Gliscor I would have a big Ice Weakness. Changed for more Gyara coverage
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Krystal (Suicune) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Calm Mind
- Roar
- Ice Beam / Rest
My sort of late game sweeper. Ice Beam over rest for more Dragon coverage and I have wish support so that shouldn't be a problem.
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Hope (Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/80 SAtk/176 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish / Softboiled
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Protect / Stealth Rock / Seismic Toss
The wish passer and possibly most important role on the team. Twave things so I can sweep with one of the three bulks
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[Venom]

Pretty good team, it very well build around and stuff. I would change Dugtrio to a Choice Scarf, since you lack some speed. This will help you outspeed things that think they can outspeed you, pokemon that have random Choice Scarfs for example. If you go for it, make sure you make it Adamant. To be honest, I don't think Weezing as a RestTalker will work. You lose coverage against Heracross and Gyarados, 2 things that it's supposed to wall, and your only Heracross counter. Suicune would make a better RestTalker, it has the potential to do so. I'll provide the movesets at the end.

Might be new news to you, but WishBliss isn't able anymore on Shoddy (I'm assuming you play Shoddy). You could always try the Standard set, since you aren't really stalling anything. This team is a bit LO Mamo weak, a Bronzong should fix it, and give you some Stealth Rock Support. You could replace Togekiss for Bronzong. The set for Suicune should go something like;

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
Nature: Bold
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Roar

Weezing;

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
Nature: Bold
- Pain Split
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Haze / Will-o-Wisp / Sludge Bomb


With the Suicune set, you should be able to last longer, and have a Status Abosorber, and with Weezing, you should be able to handle Heracross and Gyarados better.

 

[Chaos_Emperor]

im sure dugtrio does not OHKO with pursuit if the don't switch out, so that might screw you over. maybe have bronzong over weezing to set up stealth rocks. add lum berry, and it can also be status absorber. works well with suicune.

 

[Gymdude]

Pretty good team, it very well build around and stuff. I would change Dugtrio to a Choice Scarf, since you lack some speed. This will help you outspeed things that think they can outspeed you, pokemon that have random Choice Scarfs for example. If you go for it, make sure you make it Adamant.

I see what your going for here, but Dugtrio losses a lot of it's power with choice scarf since it only has 80 base attack and is not able to KO nearly any of the pokemon that it can with choice band. Even with some of the most popular choice scarfers, I won't be able to KO them with scarf (except for Hera). The only other choice scarf variant I can see ruining the fun is Heracross which Weezing takes care of quite nicely. Dugtrio is going be outspeeding anything w/o scarf anyway.

To be honest, I don't think Weezing as a RestTalker will work. You lose coverage against Heracross and Gyarados, 2 things that it's supposed to wall, and your only Heracross counter. Suicune would make a better RestTalker, it has the potential to do so. I'll provide the movesets at the end.

Hmm maybe I'll go with your suggestion and give pain split another try.

Might be new news to you, but WishBliss isn't able anymore on Shoddy (I'm assuming you play Shoddy). You could always try the Standard set, since you aren't really stalling anything. This team is a bit LO Mamo weak, a Bronzong should fix it, and give you some Stealth Rock Support. You could replace Togekiss for Bronzong. The set for Suicune should go something like;

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
Nature: Bold
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Roar

Weezing;

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
Nature: Bold
- Pain Split
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Haze / Will-o-Wisp / Sludge Bomb


With the Suicune set, you should be able to last longer, and have a Status Abosorber, and with Weezing, you should be able to handle Heracross and Gyarados better.

Yeah I was actually in the middle of finding a match on the ladder when that hapened =/ I've never encountered a Mamoswine with this team on shoddy, but I'm pretty sure Suicune and Weezing take care of it pretty nicely, but maybe I'm wrong. The only problem I have with replacing Togekiss is because that leaves me with only two attackers, both of whom are physical, which could be a problem. And I have tried to work SR in here somewhere, I had it on Blissey before, but it just doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

 

[Gymdude]

im sure dugtrio does not OHKO with pursuit if the don't switch out, so that might screw you over. maybe have bronzong over weezing to set up stealth rocks. add lum berry, and it can also be status absorber. works well with suicune.

I'm sure it does since I have tested it on shoddy before. Perhaps I will consider Bronzong, but then again, that screws up my fighting resist.

 

[Gymdude]

Anyone else?

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

To Azelf:
259 attack vs 176 defense, 40 power(*1.5 *2), 291 max HP: 44.67% - 52.58%

To Gengar:
259 attack vs 156 defense, 40 power(*1.5 *2), 262 max HP: 55.34% - 65.27%

So it shows that you in fact, do -not- OKHO -REGARDLESS- unless they had somehow hacked Close Combat and got a -Def on them a few times.

Anyways......

For Weezing, I'd so much rather go with like Thunderbolt on there someway, you do not want Gyarados to absolutely massacre you, which seems as to what will happen if you don't have the electric attack on there.

Another route you can go is more stallish, by adding Forretress over Metagross, who can Stealth Rock -and- Toxic Spikes, which prevents Vaporeon from stalling out Suicune as you can just Roar shuffle fuck the whole team.

To make up for that, you could always slap a CBTyranitar over that Togekiss slot instead, as the sandstorm wouldn't hurt you that bad, and it packs about just about the same amount of punch.

 

[Gymdude]

To Azelf:
259 attack vs 176 defense, 40 power(*1.5 *2), 291 max HP: 44.67% - 52.58%

To Gengar:
259 attack vs 156 defense, 40 power(*1.5 *2), 262 max HP: 55.34% - 65.27%

So it shows that you in fact, do -not- OKHO -REGARDLESS- unless they had somehow hacked Close Combat and got a -Def on them a few times.

Anyways......

For Weezing, I'd so much rather go with like Thunderbolt on there someway, you do not want Gyarados to absolutely massacre you, which seems as to what will happen if you don't have the electric attack on there.

Another route you can go is more stallish, by adding Forretress over Metagross, who can Stealth Rock -and- Toxic Spikes, which prevents Vaporeon from stalling out Suicune as you can just Roar shuffle fuck the whole team.

To make up for that, you could always slap a CBTyranitar over that Togekiss slot instead, as the sandstorm wouldn't hurt you that bad, and it packs about just about the same amount of punch.

Hmm that's strange, I guess shoddy doesn't say when they're trying to switch out like it does on wifi because I have been in those situations multiple times and everytime it KOs. Thanks for those calculations.

Yeah I'll put thunderbolt on there now. Okay I like the plan with SS/Toxic Spikes/SR, but could the team still stand on it's own with only one special attacker?

Would leaving Togekiss there and just replacing Meta with Forretress work?

 

[Wedge]

Gym, Pursuit is a 2HKO on non-fleeing Gengars and Azelfs. You're going to want to have Rest on Suicune over Roar, because if you get statused, especially Toxic, you're screwed over and with Toxic Spikes being as (sort of) common as it is, you need to keep Suicune healthy. Blissey needs a Calm nature and possiblyl Toxic over Thunder Wave, unless you are solely relying on that for a Togekiss sweep. Also, Flamethrower always works better on Weezing than Sludge Bomb so that you have a reliable way to hit Heracross, Regice, etc etc.

Having two Choice Banders seems kind of excessive because it's just that much easier to out-predict you and get a free Dragon Dance/Swords Dance/etc in for the opponent. Metagross might do better as an Agility lead because if you can get an early Agility in, you may be able to kill a few important Pokemon before they know what hit them. Ice punch might also be a good idea on Metagross, but I'm not sure over what. Anyways, if some bulky Ground type comes in to wall you, you can always switch to Suicune or Togekiss and get a free set-up in.

 

[Taylor]

Note that Wish Blissey isn't legal on Shoddy Battle anymore, so you will have to remove it for Softboild in order to replenish your health. With that in mind, it is advisable (and logical) that you replace a considerably useless Protect for something on the lines of Stealth Rock, Flamethrower or Seismic Toss.

Forretress' uses could potentially better the team in more ways than one: giving you Rapid Spin support whilst setting up your own Toxic Spikes and/or Spikes. Test it out for a certain ammount of time over Metagross (as previously voiced). A Forretress lead may be unorthadox, but with common leads such as Bronzong, Hippowdon and Gengar roaming around - it allows you to hit Gengar unexpectantly with Gyro Ball (so long as Gengar doesn't use Hypnosis) or set up Toxic Spikes easily on Hippowdon/Bronzong whilst simultainuously removing opposing Stealth Rock from play.

Suicune needs Rest over Roar or Ice Beam, preferably the latter as you're able to shuffle the opponent's team effectively when you have Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock and/or Spikes favouring your side of the play reasonably well.

 

[Fishin]

I'm not seeing too many problems overall. The two main things I would consider changing are Choice Band on Dugtrio (Gengar and Azelf are handled far better by Blissey than Dugtrio, which is going to have trouble switching in anyways), and Sludge Bomb on Weezing (which is a pretty poor move coverage-wise, while Flamethrower hits Lucario much better).

Anyways, since Wishbliss is no longer available on Shoddy, it might be best to stick Rest on Suicune over Roar, Haze on Weezing over WoW if you still want an anti-setup move, and another support or attacking move over Protect on Blissey.

 

[Gymdude]

Okay thanks everyone for the suggestions. I changed Sludge Bomb to Flamethrower.

I noticed I've been getting a lot of people saying to switch Ice Beam to Rest. I actually had Rest originally, but I changed it for two reasons, the first being that I had originally had Weezing with Restalk so I had a possibility of three pokemon being asleep at once which was not good at all and second because when I was asleep I had a lot of pokemon trying to set up on me (esp. Salamence), but now that Weezing is no longer Restalk and Blissey cannot wish pass on Shoddy I will most likely be changing that to rest.

 

[the pugilist]

Quick suggestion, why not try Umbreon over Blissey? It can still handle special attacks while giving important wish support. If the lack of para support worries you, you could always drop Aura Sphere for T Wave on Kiss. Even if it is resisted, a boosted Air Slash with Para support can take out many pokemon as they can't counterattack most of the time.

Hope that helped.

 

[Taylor]

The only thing that Wish would benifit would be his Forretress (should he even add that). However, if need be he could always use Wish Togekiss with a defensive EV spread.