RMT My Ubers Team, 7th on ladder

[Dilwar]

I was only 2 elo points from 5th place 'til I went on a bad streak. Maybe I played badly, I was sleepy after all which probably wasn't the best time to play. Anyway I know this team can be improved which is why I'm posting.

First, the team - Mega Scizor, Arceus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Kyogre, Groudon.

Mega-Scizor

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog
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This guy is my new favourite bug type. Does his job well and a very reliable Xerneas check. The EVs are pretty self-explanatory with 12 in Speed for the occasional speed creeping. Bullet Punch is nice priority and does a nice amount of damage coming off that BASE 150 maxed out attack, while also finishing off Xerneas (main purpose). U-Turn is used when I predict the switch and then gain momentum. Roost is useful against stall teams and general survivability. Defog is Defog. All in all a pretty good Pokemon with only one weakness (fire). To be honest though, he's only here because of that fucking Xerneas.

Arceus

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Arceus @ Life Orb
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Shadow Claw

E-killer set. I love E-killer, so powerful and always plays a huge role in any battle. Provides another form of priority, (a very strong one) and generally just a feared mon. EVs are pretty standard, with Adamant nature because I like to go for more power, and it DOES prove useful occasionally. Espeed and Swords Dance I don't have to explain. Earthquake is very good coverage, OHKO-ing Blaziken, Lucario, Aegislash at +2, Dialga too. Not to forget Arceus-Rock, Steel and Poison. Shadow Claw so I don't get totally walled by ghost types like Giratina. I chose Life Orb because I believe it really is the best item for E-killer, being the difference between a lot of 2hkos and 3hkos.

Kyogre

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Spout
- Surf
- Thunder
- Ice Beam

Monster. Absolute monster. Every team I build, this guy always finds himself in it. I just can't deal with missing out on the sheer damage this guy deals every battle. This guy is the main offensive mon in my team, switching in at every opportunity to just put holes in my opponent's team. Standard EVs, moveset. I chose Scarf because this team needed Speed, and it has been more useful than Specs would've been numerous times. Modest nature because I like power and am running scarf anyway.

Groudon

Groudon @ Lum Berry
Ability: Drought
EVs: 244 HP / 184 Atk / 56 SDef / 24 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Fire Punch
- Stealth Rock

My hazard setter and main lead. The ground typing is useful, and combined with Xerneas, makes Zekrom guessing for days, giving me free turns. Earthquake is standard. Rock Slide because I HATE Stone Miss. Yes, I know hax is part of the game, but too often has Stone Edge missed and changed the course of the game, leaving that bloody Ho-oh alive to put holes in my team. Fire Punch compliments sun and wrecks Ferrothorn. The EVs in Attack are enough to OHKO bulky Ho-oh, 56 and 244 in Speed for extra bulk, and this allows me to survive specs ogre's Surf under the sun. I put quite a few into Speed creeping, but it seems people are putting even more :/.

Xerneas

Xerneas @ Expert Belt
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 180 HP / 136 Atk / 48 SAtk / 144 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Moonblast
- Close Combat
- Rock Slide
- Toxic

This was originally a Geoxern, but I changed for the better of my team. My team struggled with those ugly ass eggs, Lugia, Giratina so I changed this guy around and it really helped push me further up the ladder. The element of surprise is always helpful and is essentially a free turn when they predict a Geomancy. Anyway, Expert Belt over Life orb because I need this guy alive to break those walls, and it was good enough. The EVs are so that Rock Slide OHKOs bulky Ho-oh, OHKOs Blissey after SR with a 1/3 chance of OHKO without SR. 2HKOs max Sp.Def and HP Giratina after Leftovers recovery. Toxic to deal with Lugia, and the best thing about it is Blissey can't switch in to Heal Bell, because it would get rekt. 144 Speed to always outspeed Geoxern variants, with the rest in HP for bulk, as this guy is important to wallbreak so I want it alive.

Yveltal

Yveltal @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature
- Foul Play
- Sucker Punch
- Toxic
- Roost

Yveltal i.e Ygod because it's a fucking monster. So much bulk it's unreal, wins against Ekiller 10/10 times. Just for an example, it can switch after SR damage, tank a +2 Espeed and wreck with Foul Play. At full health it can take a +3 Espeed. Also a Mega Kanga counter. Rocky Helmet just makes Kanga gtfo and further deals with E-killer. Sucker Punch is a priority and Yveltal's last hit before it goes down, Toxic is just there and Roost for obvious reasons. Deals with Ho-oh as well.

Anyway that's my team and the conerning points are it hates Ferrothorn, Palkia and sometimes still Lugia. Sub-variants of Lugia mean I can't get a Toxic off. Still, I can rely on Kyogre to 2hko with Water Spout. I hate Ferrothorn, my only checks are Xerneas and Groudon. Xerneas 2hkos with Close Combat but then is killed by Gyro Ball. Groudon is the only one who can wreck it. Palkia shuts down Kyogre and I don't have safe switch ins to a Palkia. Kyogre is another threat since I have no switch ins, so I just have to take it down while it just rockets offs Surfs everywhere. I've been thinking is the Yveltal set really optimal, do I NEED to have an Ekiller and Kanga counter? I can take them down in other ways, and provided I don't let them set up (which I never do anyway), they can't sweep right off the bat like Xerneas. Maybe I should go offensive Yveltal, or even replace with a more concerning mon? Xerneas too maybe, but if I take it out I desperately need a wallbreaker and something to take down those eggs. Thanks for reading and please comment on suggestions.

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[CandyLander]

I don't know much about ubers since I never played it but I noticed you use defog + stealth rock. Isn't that counter productive? Shouldn't you use rapid spin? I think Excadrill/Foretress should do the job.

 

[iampie]

Hey... Nice team you got here. There are a couple things I see though :]

First thing I would suggest is a change on your Scizor. I recommend a change from your current spread to a specially defensive spread with 248 HP, 16 Atk with and adamant nature with the rest into Special defense... With this change I suggest a change from U-Turn to toxic on it in order to check Lugia very well as Scizor is immune to toxic. This also lets you check a lot of CM arceus forms (you will get burned in the process but it's usually a fair trade). Here's the set:

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 244 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Toxic
- Defog
- Roost

The biggest problem I see with your team is the HUGE Kyogre weakness. Your own kyogre can kind of switch in and thunder and Groudon can take away its rain... But a well played Kyogre will absolutely destroy you. One thing you could do is take out Kyogre for a Palkia in order to tank hits from opposing Kyogre and you could run Fire Blast on it as well in order to lure in Ferrothorn and kill them. Here's the set:

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Spacial Rend
- Fire Blast
- Thunder Wave

Twave tells GeoXern NO and you don't really need thunder as special rend with a lustrous orb generally hits hard enough. You can also run Surf over Hydro Pump if you really care about accuracy issues.

With this change you no longer have a choice scarf user which is always good for teams like this so you can change your current Xern set to a choice scarf set with Megahorn over toxic because now you have Toxic on Scizor to deal with Lugiass. Here's the set:

Xerneas @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 184 Spd / 72 Atk / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature
- Moonblast
- Rock Slide
- Close Combat
- Megahorn

A couple other things you can consider is defensive Groudon over your current groudon to check ekiller's and Kkangas with SE over RS because you can't really run that much attack if you want to check ekiller and roar to phase ekiller out and change you Yveltals set to LO to put more pressure on stalky teams which kind of give this team trouble. Here the sets:

Groudon @ Leftovers
Ability: Drought
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
Mild Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Oblivion Wing
- Sucker Punch
- Taunt

The rest looks good! Good Luck!

 

[Dilwar]

Hey... Nice team you got here. There are a couple things I see though :]

First thing I would suggest is a change on your Scizor. I recommend a change from your current spread to a specially defensive spread with 248 HP, 16 Atk with and adamant nature with the rest into Special defense... With this change I suggest a change from U-Turn to toxic on it in order to check Lugia very well as Scizor is immune to toxic. This also lets you check a lot of CM arceus forms (you will get burned in the process but it's usually a fair trade). Here's the set:

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 244 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Toxic
- Defog
- Roost

The biggest problem I see with your team is the HUGE Kyogre weakness. Your own kyogre can kind of switch in and thunder and Groudon can take away its rain... But a well played Kyogre will absolutely destroy you. One thing you could do is take out Kyogre for a Palkia in order to tank hits from opposing Kyogre and you could run Fire Blast on it as well in order to lure in Ferrothorn and kill them. Here's the set:

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Spacial Rend
- Fire Blast
- Thunder Wave

Twave tells GeoXern NO and you don't really need thunder as special rend with a lustrous orb generally hits hard enough. You can also run Surf over Hydro Pump if you really care about accuracy issues.

With this change you no longer have a choice scarf user which is always good for teams like this so you can change your current Xern set to a choice scarf set with Megahorn over toxic because now you have Toxic on Scizor to deal with Lugiass. Here's the set:

Xerneas @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 184 Spd / 72 Atk / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature
- Moonblast
- Rock Slide
- Close Combat
- Megahorn

A couple other things you can consider is defensive Groudon over your current groudon to check ekiller's and Kkangas with SE over RS because you can't really run that much attack if you want to check ekiller and roar to phase ekiller out and change you Yveltals set to LO to put more pressure on stalky teams which kind of give this team trouble. Here the sets:

Groudon @ Leftovers
Ability: Drought
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
Mild Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Oblivion Wing
- Sucker Punch
- Taunt

The rest looks good! Good Luck!

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll be using them. I have a couple of questions though. How important is the change in Scizor spread? The lower attack means I may not be able to finish off Xerneas as reliably and with the current spread it can tank Lugia's strongest hit (against Scizor) well enough. 0 SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Mega Scizor: 99-117 (28.9 - 34.2%) -- 2% chance to 3HKO -- pretty much a 4hko and I can Roost anyway. I assume Lugias don't run special attack EVs, and if so I'm sure Scizor would still be able to do the job thanks to Roost.

A lot of people are recommending Palkia and that set is most likely what I'll use. I'm not too keen on replacing Kyogre since I just love using it. But, since Yveltal's main role is to kill Arceus and Kanga, I can use that Groudon set you suggested to replace, this way I can replace Yveltal with Palkia in an almost non-opportunity cost trade off. I'm thinking this because while an offensive Yveltal is very good, it won't really add to my team in terms of mons it will check. Taunt is good for stall but if I keep Xerneas I wouldn't have to worry. And with the addition of Palkia, Ferrothorn is even less of a problem so the only real concerning mon is Lugia but hopefully if I play it right I can take it down. Palkia, with Surf and Fire Blast also goes well with a core of Groudon and Kyogre.

Question: if I put T-Wave on Palkia, would you suggest a Specs ogre? This would add to my wallbreaking power and offensive prowess, while also being a fantastic check to Lugia.

Edit: I noticed Megahorn on Xerneas, what would this hit?

 

[Dilwar]

Yeah so as you know I went over a lot of this in PM with you before you posted the RMT, I know iampie posted a lot of stuff that I've already covered with you before you posted this but I see you didn't really update it with any of the stuff I suggested. After thinking a bit more I think some optimization is on order.

Lustrous Orb Palkia>Xerneas-- Xerneas is the least synergistic thing on your team. Palkia is pretty necessary since you posses a Kyogre weakness. I honestly hate Thunder Wave Palkia, especially on teams that already have a solid enough defensive backbone to handle Geomancy Xerneas and Mega Gengar, the main targets of said move. Toxic mainly punishes support Arceus forms such as Water and Fairy much better on the switchin, giving you a way to wear them down passively to be dealt with by the remainder of your mons instead of just decreasing their already average speed even more.

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Spacial Rend
- Fire Blast
- Toxic

I'd also run Specially Defensive Kyogre over Scarf since you're pretty Yveltal-weak as well. SDef Kyogre is good here since it's not pressured to check Geomancy Xerneas due to the presence of Scizor + EKiller and not pressured to check other Kyogre due to the presence of Palkia + Groudon + priority, meaning that it can serve as a pretty decent Yveltal check without getting overloaded. I assume you know what it should run.

If you haven't already, optimize Scizor to what Iampie said.

Any of the other changes that he or I suggested are your call really, I would personally do some things different but my opinion is arbitrary anyway I suppose.

Read my reply to iampie, what do you think? Thanks for the Palkia suggestion, I am adding it to my team with T-wave due to Toxic already being on Xerneas. The Yveltal comment is true but I do have a Xerneas for that, as well as my current Kyogre set to Thunder it, and with Palkia, an additional check is added. Besides, while offensive Yveltal is scary, it can't sweep my team, E-killer would win 1v1 so I pretty much have 4 mons to check it. Btw I didn't ignore your suggestions on PM, I just figured I should post my original team here so everyone can offer their advice from the same POV. Anyway your advice (palkia) of course proved useful

 

[haxiom]

Hey Dilwar,

It's a mostly solid team, I guess. A lot has already been said about this team. The number one issue is Kyogre, which unfortunately is a major issue. That alone is pretty much a clean 6-0 so yeah I have no idea how you got so high on the ladder (jk actually I do the ladder just sucks). The other issues I see is a Palkia weakness and an Yveltal weakness. You said that neither can straight up sweep but that's not really the issue. The fact is, they can get in and completely break down the team so that it simply crumbles to something eventually. Blaziken is slightly annoying, you revenge it with priority easily but it punches holes in your team pretty easily. Otherwise, it is pretty solid other than having no effective way to break down stall.

As for fixing these changes, there are definitely things that you could do. Palkia is obvious and has been suggested by previous rates, and definitely add that. Xerneas is the most replaceable; however, it was your only check to Palkia and Yveltal so there's that to patch up. You really should throw in a fairy somewhere tbh but right now Kyogre is the most important thing here and Palkia > Xerneas is your best bet. Steel suggested SDef Kyogre, which is nice although SpecsOgre can break stall. If you find yourself in need of a stallbreaker, you can actually throw refresh on Ekiller but you lose coverage.

OPTIMIZATION:

Scizor- I would run a bulkier spread of 248 HP / 16+ Atk / 244 SDef which will help you beat Xerneas more easily and give added bulk. Toxic wouldn't be a bad idea to pressure CM Arceus though.

Arceus- A nitpick but move the 4 HP EVs to defense, because it give you a better hazard number and Genesect won't get the Attack boost from download.

Kyogre- Play around with different sets. The way you worded the analysis made it sound like it played more like SpecsOgre. Idk you trade having a revenge killer and cleaner outside of Ekiller for a Stallbreaker. You'd need to creep a bit on Specs to outspeed common Ho-Oh. SDef is good as well, since it helps with the Yveltal weakness and can be a backup is you screw up vs GeoXern.

Groudon- Given that you add Kyogre, you can afford to drop SDef investment. About stone miss and rock slide- I don't know how I feel about running Rock Slide. You still end up hating it just as much when it misses, but that's just my opinion.

Xerneas- Replace with Palkia.

Yveltal- Seems fine optimization wise.

Good luck!

 

[Dilwar]

Hey Dilwar,

It's a mostly solid team, I guess. A lot has already been said about this team. The number one issue is Kyogre, which unfortunately is a major issue. That alone is pretty much a clean 6-0 so yeah I have no idea how you got so high on the ladder (jk actually I do the ladder just sucks). The other issues I see is a Palkia weakness and an Yveltal weakness. You said that neither can straight up sweep but that's not really the issue. The fact is, they can get in and completely break down the team so that it simply crumbles to something eventually. Blaziken is slightly annoying, you revenge it with priority easily but it punches holes in your team pretty easily. Otherwise, it is pretty solid other than having no effective way to break down stall.

As for fixing these changes, there are definitely things that you could do. Palkia is obvious and has been suggested by previous rates, and definitely add that. Xerneas is the most replaceable; however, it was your only check to Palkia and Yveltal so there's that to patch up. You really should throw in a fairy somewhere tbh but right now Kyogre is the most important thing here and Palkia > Xerneas is your best bet. Steel suggested SDef Kyogre, which is nice although SpecsOgre can break stall. If you find yourself in need of a stallbreaker, you can actually throw refresh on Ekiller but you lose coverage.

OPTIMIZATION:

Scizor- I would run a bulkier spread of 248 HP / 16+ Atk / 244 SDef which will help you beat Xerneas more easily and give added bulk. Toxic wouldn't be a bad idea to pressure CM Arceus though.

Arceus- A nitpick but move the 4 HP EVs to defense, because it give you a better hazard number and Genesect won't get the Attack boost from download.

Kyogre- Play around with different sets. The way you worded the analysis made it sound like it played more like SpecsOgre. Idk you trade having a revenge killer and cleaner outside of Ekiller for a Stallbreaker. You'd need to creep a bit on Specs to outspeed common Ho-Oh. SDef is good as well, since it helps with the Yveltal weakness and can be a backup is you screw up vs GeoXern.

Groudon- Given that you add Kyogre, you can afford to drop SDef investment. About stone miss and rock slide- I don't know how I feel about running Rock Slide. You still end up hating it just as much when it misses, but that's just my opinion.

Xerneas- Replace with Palkia.

Yveltal- Seems fine optimization wise.

Good luck!

Thanks for the suggestions, I agree with most of what you said. What would you think of this? Change Groudon to bulky Groudon so that it can deal with Ekiller and Kanga (phase with roar), this way I can take out Yveltal who doesn't add that much when my opponent has no Ekiller or Kanga. Yveltal would then get replaced with Palkia. I'm thinking of doing this because although Xerneas does not synergise well, he is extremely useful when I'm up against stall. Also, the fairy and ground core is nice when Zekrom is around. I'm just really not looking forward to getting walled (it annoys me). Also, when Palkia is added with T-Wave, do you think Specs ogre would be good? (cripple my opponent's team with paralysis and send out Kyogre to outright sweep). This could also be a backup wallbreaker, as well as just be a very powerful mon anyway.

Edit: alternatively, as you suggested replace Xerneas with Palkia with the T-wave set combined with Specs ogre. Make Groudon defensive (deal with ekiller and kanga), and turn Yveltal into an offensive one with Dark Pulse, Oblivion Wing, Sucker Punch and Taunt. Taunt could deal with stall in replacement for breaking them. I lose Xerneas's wallbreaking power but add Taunt, then I can switch to Ogre and wreck.

What do you think is the better option? And I'm pretty surprised myself I'm that high on the ladder lol. When I did this RMT I realised that this team is actually pretty bad. I probably just played all my games really well.