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RMT:OU DP:Rhyperior Set

Norman2911

So First I'll explain my teams goal..it is to successfully use umbreon to put a foe to sleep and allow rhyperior to set up with swords dance my other teammates are to help me achieve that goal the team is ok but needs fixes.
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Azelf @ Focus Sash
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 1 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 1 SDef
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Explosion
- Fire Blast
- Psychic
- Stealth Rock

Ok this is my lead azelf,alot of people on pkmnb are using gengar leads and such. and azelf is a nice pokemon to deal with that his main purpose and goal is to set up stealth rocks psycic or fire blast anything weak to those moves. But mainly to set up and explode. I've tried many leads in the past and azelf seems to get the job done and really benefit me.

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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Protect
- Surf
- Wish
Ok vaporeon is the fix my huge gyrados weakness with hp electric and water absorb really helps me out when it comes to countering him,his purpose on my team is to save rhyperior from water attacks by absorbing themand usually stricking back with hp electric but i have to be cautions using it because of electivire running around on teams along with jolteon wish and protect is for patching up dents put in vappy.

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Umbreon (M) @ Chople Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Spd / 92 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Wish
- Yawn
Alright umbreon is the key to this entire team and the only way for rhyperior to successfully set up,first is yawn and if they switch mean look and yawn again usually this set works if they don't switch out a fighter which chople berry comes in handy if i predict well,wish is to heal up before yawn kicks in and baton pass is to finish up the job..the only bad thing is that i always have to hope they don't wake up if they are a threat to rhyperior.

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Skarmory (M) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 176 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
Well seriously i'd like advice on whether i should keep skarm or trade it in for a rapid spinner because stealth rocks is a problem for me but if i do trade him for a spinner i'll have no breloom counter.so just need tips on that,back to the moveset...brave bird is for breloom after i sacrifice a pokemon for spore(usually vaporeon) i switch to skarmory and brave bird away..roost is for strictly healing but with pkmnb's glitch roost completly makes him a ground type..spikes is to inflict some extra damage with stealth rocks and whirlwind to to blow away some of my fire users away on predict.

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Electivire (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Motor Drive
EVs: 36 Atk / 220 Spd / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunderbolt
Ok Usually people have to have some electric moves on them,so how do i deal with it? yes my friend electivire with motor drive he becomes a beast of speed sweeping anything in sight with his mixed set..the only big problem for him would be tyranitar but cross chop handles him and blissey perfectly hp grass is for swampert switch ins,thunderbolt for gyrados and other water types but mainly gyrados hippowdon also walls this,flamethrower is for all my steel friends but i always have to keep and eye out for heatren.his purpose is for late sweeping.

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Rhyperior (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 132 HP / 192 Atk / 168 Spd / 16 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
Last but not least the king on the throne,the purpose of my entire team rhyperior.Its so simple and to die for..all i need to do is make sure my umbreon's yawn is in place and bam substitute and swords dance once for safty but even so that one swords dance pushes his atk to a whopping 800 eathquake kills everything thats not flying and a hippo but never fear stone edge is here to handle those annoying birds and complete rhyperior's main purpose of successfully sweeping.as we all know his weakness is water,grass and bug mainly scizor and heracross but earthwuake destroys them under a sub.
So all my threats would be scizor,heracross,gyrados,swampert,salamece,and aerodactly which is usually the lead and gets exploded on but if not he is a sure threat to my team also lucario and infernape basically fighters destroy my team,not to mention people who like to abbuse roar,that could ruin the whole set.[/size]
 
PWhy do you sub if the opponent is trapped and asleep? I'd put megahorn over sub and rock polish over sd and replace with a life orb.
 
...Ok why is the text giant? I didn't even bother to read the RMT, just looked at the pictures to identify threats. Rhyperior is not exactly a closer, since basically all it takes is two pokemon to kill him, one to break the sub, one to finish.

The biggest threat I see Infernape: Is capable of dealing massive damage to everyone on your team if carrying Grass Knot. If you used Lucario with Extremespeed instead of Rhyperior, you would take him out easily.
 
Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 2 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Extremespeed
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
i'll try this,but celibi snd flygon wall my attempt to yawn pass to him
 
if you get sandstorm up rhyperior will be able to take hits much better. As he is now he'll kill something and then get revenge killed right off the bat. He's really too slow to utilize swords dance effectively. With sandstorm he might be able to survive enough hits to take out more than one pokemon
 
cmurph said:
if you get sandstorm up rhyperior will be able to take hits much better. As he is now he'll kill something and then get revenge killed right off the bat. He's really too slow to utilize swords dance effectively. With sandstorm he might be able to survive enough hits to take out more than one pokemon
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So sandstorm helps him stay up? wow i did'nt know that well the rock polish set is really good i tried it earlier and its been successful.
 
It isn't that hard to set up rhyperior. With Tyraitar bringing up ss, you can easily use him to wall Zapdos and other bulky special attackers such as vaporeon. Umbreon seems like a waste of a slot that could be used for Ttar or other poke that can help with your weaknesses. The same goes for Skarm (this isn't a team that needs hazards) and electivire. With two poke taking se from elec attacks, electivire won't cut it. He resists it sure, but he takes plenty from things like specs Jolt and won't get multiple chances to switch-in. A rotom-a or something similar would work better. I would suggest the following.

Swampert@leftovers
relaxed
252 HP/ 228 Def/ 28 SAtk
-Ice Beam
-EQuake
-SR
-Roar/ Protect

Swampert will make a much better lead considering your playing bulky offense. He can support the team with roar and also has very good typing, sporting an immunity to elec and resist to rock. The given EVs lets you OHKO Salamence with Ice Beam without sr while EQuake lets you get good coverage against the majority of leads. Protect is an option to let you scout for things like explosion, trick, and choiced attackers, as well as provide some recovery.

Like I said, Umbreon isn't so great. Anything with U-turn can stop it. Scizor, Flygon, and Infernape are the most common. The other thing is your relying on sleep. With rest talk poke being used so often, this strat. can often fail due to sleep cause. Umbreon can often turn into set up for things like SD Lucario, and other attackers since it lacks a way to deal damage. It's like a one trick ponie, you get one chance to use it in the battle, if it works it works, if not then it's dead weight. I would suggest using something else in its place. I don't want to remove your strat. so I won't suggest changes unless you don't mind swapping Umbreon for something else.
 
mc2094 said:
It isn't that hard to set up rhyperior. With Tyraitar bringing up ss, you can easily use him to wall Zapdos and other bulky special attackers such as vaporeon. Umbreon seems like a waste of a slot that could be used for Ttar or other poke that can help with your weaknesses. The same goes for Skarm (this isn't a team that needs hazards) and electivire. With two poke taking se from elec attacks, electivire won't cut it. He resists it sure, but he takes plenty from things like specs Jolt and won't get multiple chances to switch-in. A rotom-a or something similar would work better. I would suggest the following.

Swampert@leftovers
relaxed
252 HP/ 228 Def/ 28 SAtk
-Ice Beam
-EQuake
-SR
-Roar/ Protect

Swampert will make a much better lead considering your playing bulky offense. He can support the team with roar and also has very good typing, sporting an immunity to elec and resist to rock. The given EVs lets you OHKO Salamence with Ice Beam without sr while EQuake lets you get good coverage against the majority of leads. Protect is an option to let you scout for things like explosion, trick, and choiced attackers, as well as provide some recovery.

Like I said, Umbreon isn't so great. Anything with U-turn can stop it. Scizor, Flygon, and Infernape are the most common. The other thing is your relying on sleep. With rest talk poke being used so often, this strat. can often fail due to sleep cause. Umbreon can often turn into set up for things like SD Lucario, and other attackers since it lacks a way to deal damage. It's like a one trick ponie, you get one chance to use it in the battle, if it works it works, if not then it's dead weight. I would suggest using something else in its place. I don't want to remove your strat. so I won't suggest changes unless you don't mind swapping Umbreon for something else.
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sounds good i'll change my lead to swampy..i think i'll try going with tyranitar and i changed skarm for for forretress but what about electivire?
 
Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Protect
- Surf
- Wish

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 120 Atk / 1 Def / 252 Spd / 136 SAtk / 1 SDef
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam

Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Atk / 144 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes

Electivire (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Motor Drive
EVs: 36 Atk / 220 Spd / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunderbolt

Rhyperior (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 132 HP / 192 Atk / 168 Spd / 16 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge

alright so i changed umby to tyranitar and hippowdon to swampert but now i have a big grass weakness
 
I like the changes so far. I think that a Rotom-H would work well in Vires place. It is the best countet for metagross and sports a resists to ground, elec, and fighting type moves.

Rotom-H
Bold
252 HP/ 168 Def/ 88 Spe
-Overheat
-T-bolt
-Shadow ball
-W-o-W

Rotom-H makes a great addition. It has very useful resists to things like bug and works really well with Ttar. Overheat lets you deal with steals straight off the bat though you can opt for sub in order to make prediction easier and let you set up on things like Scizor who fail to dent Rotom-H. T-bolt and Shadow Ball get STAB and have nearly unreisted coverage. This also helps dealing with Gyarados. If you don't like the way this works then you can try the rest talk set with w-o-w and discharge. Your team lacks a status absorber so it could be useful and has recovery letting you use it as a better check to tings like agili gross who are usually used late game.

As for Forrey, I don't think this team needs entry hazards or a spin blocker. Instead, I think a scarf Jirachi would work really well.

Jirachi@Choice Scarf
Jolly
80 HP/ 252 Atk/ 176 Spe
-Trick
-U-turn
-Iron Head
-Ice punch

This will give you a good way to deal with things like DD Mence if it manages a boost. U-turn helps you scout early on in the game and lets you keep things like Lati in check. Iron Head provides a good STAB move and can used to revenge threats like Tyranitar. Lastly, trick can be used to cripple a poke once you have no use for the scarf. With Jirachi utilizing scarf, I think it is safe to let Tyranitar be a Choice Band set.

Tyranitar@Choice Band
Adamant
252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 4 SDef
-Crunch
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit
-Aqua Tail

Choice Band Tyranitar is quite a powerful poke. With his SDef being boosted, he can completely wall things like Zapdos. Pursuit will allow him to trap kill Latias and other poke weak to dark as well as things like Jolteon who are very frail. It is best not to switch Ttar in to Latias early on in the match because several Lati runs specs sets which can outrun and 2HKO Ttar with Sure, even witha timid nature. Crunch+Stone Edge give you a dual STAB which has pretty good coverage. Aqua Tail is really good, especially against stall teams since most rely on Hippowdon and Gliscor to counter Ttar, though both will be faced with a 2HKO. A bulkier spread is possible. You can try a spread of 80 Hp/ 176 Atk/ 252 SDef witha careful nature. This will allow Ttar to not be 2HKOed by a specs Lati's surf but that is assuming Timid. Modest still gets the 2HKO and the power drop isn't really worth it.

Good Luck
 
yea everything is working well i just wanted to know a replacement for rotom because pokemon netbattle does'nt have all its forms it only has regular rotom
 
Why don't you use Shoddy Battle? You could use whatever Rotom forms you want, without the glitchiness of NetBattle. Not to mention it has Smogon's leaderboard and ladder, its always nice to see how you are doing against everybody on Smogon.
 
and i've also just found theres a big sceptile?gengar weakness on my team because of focus blast and leaf blade also breloom partially counters what should i do any advice???
 
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