I've been playing around with this team and i reached 1400-ish but things are starting to slow down. I would love an analysis
My main strategy is to Wall with Blissey/Slowbro then teleport into Kartana/TapuLele. Magnezone deals with steel types and the last slot is a defogger (currently Land-T).
Disclaimer: the EV spread i took from the suggested strategy pokedex. I am still learning the SS meta so i didn't mess around with it too much.
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Magnet (Magnezone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Def / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
This is how i deal with Ferrothorn, Corviknight and Skarmory. I substitute on Ferro/Skarm to use Iron Defense, and just Thunderbolt the Corvi. Substitute is the weak link here. I picked it for Ferro's Leech seed and for using when i think the enemy will switch, so perhaps i can switch it for something else if needed. I am also wondering if i should change thunderbolt for some other eletric type move like Discharge for paralyze inducing.
Papercut (Kartana) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Knock Off
- Sacred Sword
- Smart Strike
Once steel types are done, my offensive core is Kartana + Tapu Lele. They are pretty strong, but I personally don't enjoy scarf so i may trade it. I never really used Leaf Blade. To be honest, i usually just use Knock Off, so i guess this move coverage is subpar ? I also find this pokemon quite weak as it is 2HKOd by any offensive moves and even though it is fast, it usually takes 2HKO to kill anything unless i am Beast Boosted.
Lilica (Tapu Lele) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Psychic
I wonder if i should change psychic/shock for something else as i almost always use Psychic. But anyway, I love Psychic Surge's ability to cut priority moves, so it is pretty hard to revenge kill Lele. Moonblast is seeing a lot of action because i see a lot of dragons (Garchomp, Dragapult, Dragonite to name a few) in my current ELO so by bringing Lele out i usually force a switch. Focus Blast is good in theory but in practice i used it once i think.
Blissey (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Teleport
Blissey + Slowbro is my defensive core. Love blissey since i played competitive GSC on mirc bots back in 2000s. Sometimes i play around with seismictoss/thunderwave into icebeam/toxic to check Land-T, but usually bring back seismic/t-waves. nothing much to add here, i usually drop her to soak special attacks while paralyzing and teleporting away. Sometimes it is fun to use seismic toss when the enemy expects a teleport, i killed a few Toxapexes that way.
Slowbro (F) @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Future Sight
- Body Press
- Slack Off
- Teleport
Ah, Slowbro, the Weavile magnet. I used to have Scald+Leftovers/HeavyBoots but Weavile and KnockOff was being super annoying and usually 2HKOing Slowbro and i didnt have a proper counter to it. I do miss Scald, perhaps i should switch back. Future Sight has saved my ass many times, especially against Fight types that forgets it is incoming and just use SwordDance/BulkUp. Slowbro hates Toxic, so this is a problem -- I played around with a more clerical blissey to fight this but in the end it didn't stick.
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 224 HP / 252 SpD / 32 Spe
Careful Nature
- Defog
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
This last spot is the one i test things and is usually the first one to go, though i usually have a spinner/defogger here. I wanted to put a priority-move revenge killer here, but with Psychic Terrain from TapuLele breaking priority moves, I think it would break the momentum. This is the slot i need help the most. I sometimes use an Imposter/Scarf Ditto to deal with stat boost.
Also played around with Toxapex with Haze, but it didn't fit the team well.
I've also tried Clefable here with Heal bell, Wish, Stealth Rock and other offensive moves but it also didn't fit the flow much.
And i've been playing with Mr. Rime too -- Scarf, Trick/Taunt/IceBeam/RapidSpin . Fast (good for trick and taunt), spins, and ice beam OHKO Land-T, and few people about it. It's ability to clean walls is pretty cool too
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Some concerns:
- I don't have a way to deal with things that stat boost. For example, 2x quiver dance and i am usually done. I need to be hyper aggressive in those cases
- Weavile was a big deal, so i had to use BodyPress+Colbur berry on slowbro
- I dont have a good revenge killer. Perhaps the last spot should be for a defog+revenger ?
- Since i took Scald away from Slowbro, Heatran is being a problem. Usually Land-T is the answer but not always.
- Alolan Ninetails with Aurora Veil
- Hetterrene. The bounce prevents my toxic/paralyze/taunt, and it can use calm mind freely. It can usually kill either kartana or Lele before i take it down
- Alolan Ninetales - Aurora Veil . Sigh, i can't kill it fast enough before it can setup the veil
- Aegislash sometimes is an issue, but i try to trap it with magnezone
- Barraskewda is a big issue, especially with Swords Dance or Choice
- Nihilego
Thanks for the inputs!
My main strategy is to Wall with Blissey/Slowbro then teleport into Kartana/TapuLele. Magnezone deals with steel types and the last slot is a defogger (currently Land-T).
Disclaimer: the EV spread i took from the suggested strategy pokedex. I am still learning the SS meta so i didn't mess around with it too much.
Pokepaste link
Magnet (Magnezone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Def / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
This is how i deal with Ferrothorn, Corviknight and Skarmory. I substitute on Ferro/Skarm to use Iron Defense, and just Thunderbolt the Corvi. Substitute is the weak link here. I picked it for Ferro's Leech seed and for using when i think the enemy will switch, so perhaps i can switch it for something else if needed. I am also wondering if i should change thunderbolt for some other eletric type move like Discharge for paralyze inducing.
Papercut (Kartana) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Knock Off
- Sacred Sword
- Smart Strike
Once steel types are done, my offensive core is Kartana + Tapu Lele. They are pretty strong, but I personally don't enjoy scarf so i may trade it. I never really used Leaf Blade. To be honest, i usually just use Knock Off, so i guess this move coverage is subpar ? I also find this pokemon quite weak as it is 2HKOd by any offensive moves and even though it is fast, it usually takes 2HKO to kill anything unless i am Beast Boosted.
Lilica (Tapu Lele) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Psychic
I wonder if i should change psychic/shock for something else as i almost always use Psychic. But anyway, I love Psychic Surge's ability to cut priority moves, so it is pretty hard to revenge kill Lele. Moonblast is seeing a lot of action because i see a lot of dragons (Garchomp, Dragapult, Dragonite to name a few) in my current ELO so by bringing Lele out i usually force a switch. Focus Blast is good in theory but in practice i used it once i think.
Blissey (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Teleport
Blissey + Slowbro is my defensive core. Love blissey since i played competitive GSC on mirc bots back in 2000s. Sometimes i play around with seismictoss/thunderwave into icebeam/toxic to check Land-T, but usually bring back seismic/t-waves. nothing much to add here, i usually drop her to soak special attacks while paralyzing and teleporting away. Sometimes it is fun to use seismic toss when the enemy expects a teleport, i killed a few Toxapexes that way.
Slowbro (F) @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Future Sight
- Body Press
- Slack Off
- Teleport
Ah, Slowbro, the Weavile magnet. I used to have Scald+Leftovers/HeavyBoots but Weavile and KnockOff was being super annoying and usually 2HKOing Slowbro and i didnt have a proper counter to it. I do miss Scald, perhaps i should switch back. Future Sight has saved my ass many times, especially against Fight types that forgets it is incoming and just use SwordDance/BulkUp. Slowbro hates Toxic, so this is a problem -- I played around with a more clerical blissey to fight this but in the end it didn't stick.
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 224 HP / 252 SpD / 32 Spe
Careful Nature
- Defog
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
This last spot is the one i test things and is usually the first one to go, though i usually have a spinner/defogger here. I wanted to put a priority-move revenge killer here, but with Psychic Terrain from TapuLele breaking priority moves, I think it would break the momentum. This is the slot i need help the most. I sometimes use an Imposter/Scarf Ditto to deal with stat boost.
Also played around with Toxapex with Haze, but it didn't fit the team well.
I've also tried Clefable here with Heal bell, Wish, Stealth Rock and other offensive moves but it also didn't fit the flow much.
And i've been playing with Mr. Rime too -- Scarf, Trick/Taunt/IceBeam/RapidSpin . Fast (good for trick and taunt), spins, and ice beam OHKO Land-T, and few people about it. It's ability to clean walls is pretty cool too
----
Some concerns:
- I don't have a way to deal with things that stat boost. For example, 2x quiver dance and i am usually done. I need to be hyper aggressive in those cases
- Weavile was a big deal, so i had to use BodyPress+Colbur berry on slowbro
- I dont have a good revenge killer. Perhaps the last spot should be for a defog+revenger ?
- Since i took Scald away from Slowbro, Heatran is being a problem. Usually Land-T is the answer but not always.
- Alolan Ninetails with Aurora Veil
- Hetterrene. The bounce prevents my toxic/paralyze/taunt, and it can use calm mind freely. It can usually kill either kartana or Lele before i take it down
- Alolan Ninetales - Aurora Veil . Sigh, i can't kill it fast enough before it can setup the veil
- Aegislash sometimes is an issue, but i try to trap it with magnezone
- Barraskewda is a big issue, especially with Swords Dance or Choice
- Nihilego
Thanks for the inputs!
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