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Congratulations to fanyfan for winning cycle 18! Now let's go for another take:


Cycle 19: Flygon!

Flygon had a lot of roles and approaches through past generations, but it's only seen today as a Scarf user and sometimes a setup sweeper. What can we do with it's movepool of good support options and nice all-around stats?


banned sets: http://pokepast.es/68cd6283fa49a512
dl: 28/06​
 

Trap

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Flygon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Dragon Tail / Toxic
- Earth Power
- Roost
- Defog

flygon can act as a second grade gligar in some cases with better typing and movepool in some cases. this set acts as a defogger which isn’t pressured completely by entei. ep allows for you to comfortably risk the burn on flygon and still be able to hit entei for decent damage with earth power. dtail allows for this pokemon to not be setup bait while toxic can be used to punish switch ins. this set can also check tyrantrum if you guess correctly. overall a pretty niche set but has some merits over defog gligar
 

Katy

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Choice Band Flygon

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Flygon @ Choice Band
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- U-turn
- Stone Edge

U-Turn for Momentum, Edge hits Moltres, Araquanid and Golisopod super effectively. Outrage as a strong Stab and Erathquake hits Doublade, Drapion, Entei and Escavalier.

Some Calcs:
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Doublade: 192-228 (59.6 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Drapion: 378-446 (134.5 - 158.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Escavalier: 195-231 (56.6 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Araquanid: 294-346 (106.1 - 124.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shaymin: 192-226 (56.3 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
 
This was iffy cus Flygon is lowkey really weak

Flygon @ Dragonium Z / Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]

AoA Special Flygon
Someone had to do it, 4 attacks Flygon is meant to attempt to pressure some of its usual switch ins, such as Gligar, Forretress, and Bronzong. It also has the ability to function as a one time Entei switch in and not be screwed over by a burn. Z-Draco Meteor gives Flygon some decent power against neutral targets, but Expert Belt is an option to take on Special Defensive Gligar and Bronzong more convincingly.

252 SpA Flygon Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Gligar: 180-216 (53.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Gligar: 144-173 (43.1 - 51.7%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 112-134 (33.1 - 39.6%) -- 17.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 134-161 (39.6 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(keep in mind that many are running Protect now)

252 SpA Flygon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 200 SpD Steelix-Mega: 182-216 (51.4 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Entei: 270-318 (72.7 - 85.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
(Expert Belt will KO after rocks)

252 SpA Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 204 SpD Escavalier: 276-328 (80.2 - 95.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 204 SpD Escavalier: 331-394 (96.2 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Flygon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Doublade: 218-260 (67.7 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Doublade: 262-312 (81.3 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Fluffy Bewear: 261-308 (68.3 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bewear: 348-409 (91 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Feraligatr: 270-318 (86.8 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Moltres: 262-309 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 262-310 (68.4 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recove

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 148 HP / 0 SpD Linoone: 343-405 (102.6 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Screech Flygon

Flygon @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Screech
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

General idea
Do you really think that Swords Dance would be nice but you don't have this move on your movepool?
Screech does a similar think by dropping the opposite threat's Def by 2 points (really good towards Unaware Quagsire), thus mickmicking the effect of its boosting counterpart. 85% chance of hitting is acceptable for a powerful effect like this one: it is a low-risk way to punish pivots because they will be weakened even if Flygon is out from the battlefield.
If Flygon is still in trouble even with an opponent at -2 Def, you will use a fastish U-turn to switch-out and select another teammates. With these simple tactics you are able to pressure heavily the opponent (especially if hazards are on the field) forcing additional switches.

EVs spread and item
The EVs spread is a standard offensive one. The item chosen is Aguav Berry in order to have a way to recover a decent amount of Flygon's HP at once, thus keeping itself protected by another move, but you can choose whatever you want (a classic boosting item is always nice).
 
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Flygon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Toxic
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Substitute

A relic of Diamond/Pearl era, this sub-toxic set is designed to annoy the crap out of the opponent. Sub up, then use Earthquake for a good powerful STAB. Toxic for breaking bulky mons and Flying-types. Roost is so you heal. The EVS make it as bulky as possible while still speed-tying with Base 95 Speed Pokémon such as Drapion and Moltres.
 
Voting Stage is up, lots of diversity this time!

This was iffy cus Flygon is lowkey really weak

Flygon @ Dragonium Z / Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]

AoA Special Flygon
Someone had to do it, 4 attacks Flygon is meant to attempt to pressure some of its usual switch ins, such as Gligar, Forretress, and Bronzong. It also has the ability to function as a one time Entei switch in and not be screwed over by a burn. Z-Draco Meteor gives Flygon some decent power against neutral targets, but Expert Belt is an option to take on Special Defensive Gligar and Bronzong more convincingly.

252 SpA Flygon Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Gligar: 180-216 (53.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Gligar: 144-173 (43.1 - 51.7%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 112-134 (33.1 - 39.6%) -- 17.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 134-161 (39.6 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(keep in mind that many are running Protect now)

252 SpA Flygon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 200 SpD Steelix-Mega: 182-216 (51.4 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Entei: 270-318 (72.7 - 85.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
(Expert Belt will KO after rocks)

252 SpA Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 204 SpD Escavalier: 276-328 (80.2 - 95.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 204 SpD Escavalier: 331-394 (96.2 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Flygon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Doublade: 218-260 (67.7 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Expert Belt Flygon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Doublade: 262-312 (81.3 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Fluffy Bewear: 261-308 (68.3 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bewear: 348-409 (91 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Feraligatr: 270-318 (86.8 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Moltres: 262-309 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 262-310 (68.4 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recove

252 SpA Flygon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 148 HP / 0 SpD Linoone: 343-405 (102.6 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Flygon @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Screech
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

General idea
Do you really think that Swords Dance would be nice but you don't have this move on your movepool?
Screech does a similar think by dropping the opposite threat's Def by 2 points (really good towards Unaware Quagsire), thus mickmicking the effect of its boosting counterpart. 85% chance of hitting is acceptable for a powerful effect like this one: it is a low-risk way to punish pivots because they will be weakened even if Flygon is out from the battlefield.
If Flygon is still in trouble even with an opponent at -2 Def, you will use a fastish U-turn to switch-out and select another teammates. With these simple tactics you are able to pressure heavily the opponent (especially if hazards are on the field) forcing additional switches.

EVs spread and item
The EVs spread is a standard offensive one. The item chosen is Aguav Berry in order to have a way to recover a decent amount of Flygon's HP at once, thus keeping itself protected by another move, but you can choose whatever you want (a classic boosting item is always nice).
Flygon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Dragon Tail / Toxic
- Earth Power
- Roost
- Defog

flygon can act as a second grade gligar in some cases with better typing and movepool in some cases. this set acts as a defogger which isn’t pressured completely by entei. ep allows for you to comfortably risk the burn on flygon and still be able to hit entei for decent damage with earth power. dtail allows for this pokemon to not be setup bait while toxic can be used to punish switch ins. this set can also check tyrantrum if you guess correctly. overall a pretty niche set but has some merits over defog gligar
Flygon @ Choice Band
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- U-turn
- Stone Edge

U-Turn for Momentum, Edge hits Moltres, Araquanid and Golisopod super effectively. Outrage as a strong Stab and Erathquake hits Doublade, Drapion, Entei and Escavalier.

Some Calcs:
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Doublade: 192-228 (59.6 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Drapion: 378-446 (134.5 - 158.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Escavalier: 195-231 (56.6 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Araquanid: 294-346 (106.1 - 124.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Flygon U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shaymin: 192-226 (56.3 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Flygon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Toxic
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Substitute

A relic of Diamond/Pearl era, this sub-toxic set is designed to annoy the crap out of the opponent. Sub up, then use Earthquake for a good powerful STAB. Toxic for breaking bulky mons and Flying-types. Roost is so you heal. The EVS make it as bulky as possible while still speed-tying with Base 95 Speed Pokémon such as Drapion and Moltres.

My vote goes to Screech Flygon. Remember to vote by Monday!
 
congrats to Trap for winning cycle 19! now for this cycle:


Cycle 20: Mega Ampharos!
While Mega Ampharos has been severely underrated ever since its drop from UU, its powerful wallbreaking abilities allowed it to gain traction since then. However, it rarely strays from its conventional set and it is up to you, this cycles' innovators, to create the best next thing!

banned sets: http://pokepast.es/11b7016438666325
deadline: saturday​
 
Screen Supporter M-Ampharos

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt /Reflect
- Dragon Pulse
- Light Screen
- Volt Switch

General idea
The combination of Screens + a slow Volt Switch is really too nice to pass up; unfortunately, I don't find the room to include Reflect on this set, but it is possible to drop Thunderbolt if you really need it.
Due to the fact it is a Mega, it is impossible to run Light Clay, but screens can be nice moves to spam if you are torn between using an Electric move (and your opponent has s Ground-type pkmn left) and a Dragon move (and the opponent has a Fairy or a Steel).
At least two attacking moves are mandatory in order to avoid being crippled by Taunt.

EVs spread
8 Spe are there to outpace uninvested base 45 Spe or lower; 248 HP EVs in order to have an odd number to survive one more switch-in into SR. Max SpA + Modest nature because we need to hit hard.

Teammates support
Wish support is really needed in order to recharge Ampharos' health throughout the match. A way to deal properly with Ground types is mandatory; in general, this Ampharos is not self-sufficient because it doesn't have the HP to overwhelm some threats without being worn down easily.
 
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Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Agility
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Ampharos can sometimes have a hard time vs offense due to it's terrible speedtier, however Agility patches up that matchup. Timid is required as it allows you to outspeed Scarf Tyrantrum after an Agility which is huge. However, it's still outsped by Scarf Gardevoir, so you'll want to pair it with something that abuses Garde like Banded Escavalier w/ Pursuit.
 
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Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 240 HP / 36 Def / 232 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast

Sub Mega Ampharos
This Ampharos is meant to abuse your good match ups and set up Substitutes against mons that are unable to break it such as non-Ice Beam Milotic, Mandibuzz, Scarf/Defensive Moltres, Chesnaught, and Rotom-Cut. You can also threaten certain pokemon out such as Mega Steelix, Golisopod, and even Mega Blastoise if healthy, which gives you another chance to Sub up. Then, you proceed to click buttons to hit what’s in front of you. It’s a bonus that Noivern, a threat with Infiltrator that can hit through Substitutes, can’t actually revenge kill that well unless it’s Draco Meteor, which not all are. However, Swellow and Yanmega are still capable of doing solid damage with their own sound moves. The EVs allow Scarf Moltres to never break your Sub, as well as Drain Punch defensive Chesnaught. The fact that you’re a bulkier spread means you can tank Entei’s hits a bit better. HP Ice is an option if you hate Gligar but doesn’t hit much else, if anything at all.

252 SpA Moltres Fire Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Ampharos-Mega: 80-95 (20.9 - 24.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

0 Atk Chesnaught Drain Punch vs. 240 HP / 36 Def Ampharos-Mega: 79-94 (20.7 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

252+ SpA Blastoise-Mega Ice Beam vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Ampharos-Mega: 204-242 (53.5 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Ampharos-Mega: 220-259 (57.7 - 67.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Yanmega Bug Buzz vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Ampharos-Mega: 187-222 (49 - 58.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
 
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Ampharos-Mega (F) @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Thunder Wave Mega Ampharos. Thought about Thunder Wave to slow down opposing Pokemon. Dragon Pulse and Thunderbolt for Dual STAB. And Focus Blast as Coverage Option.
 

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Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Cotton Spore
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Volt Switch / Focus Blast

This set uses Cotton Spore to lower the opponent's speed by two stages. It's more accurate than Thunder Wave and lowers the speed of rival Ground and Electric types that are otherwise immune to Thunder Wave. It works a bit like a lure: if you know your opponent switches to something like Flygon or Tyrantrum, then you can Cotton Spore to nullify a potential Choice Scarf. Then you can revenge with Dragon Pulse. Modest is for more power, Timid for more speed.
 
Ampharos-Mega @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magnet Rise
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Makes you safe against the likes of Rhyperior, Steelix and Gligar so you can pressure them or bop the Gardevoir switch-in with Thunderbolt
 

Ampharos-Mega @ Ampharosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Electric Terrain
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Agility / Focus Blast

one of the downsides of using mega ampharos is that it has no way to boost its damage output by using specs/lo or a setup move like nasty plot or calm mind. however, if you think of electric terrain as an artificial nasty plot it can serve as an extremely powerful breaker and turns the tables on conventional answers to it such as cresselia and florges. not boosting dragon pulse or focus blast is fine because you're still able to break through their targets just fine anyways. agility can be used over focus blast for a pseudo double dance set cause tbolt is so powerful under elec terrain it can still break through steel and normal types with some support (altho u have to give up modest to outspeed scarf ttrum):

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel in Electric Terrain: 157-186 (43.1 - 51%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel in Electric Terrain: 144-171 (39.5 - 46.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 152+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 157-186 (41.9 - 49.7%) -- 87.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 204-240 (54.5 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 152+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 144-171 (38.5 - 45.7%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 184-217 (49.1 - 58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 188 HP / 192+ SpD Snorlax in Electric Terrain: 205-243 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 188 HP / 192+ SpD Snorlax in Electric Terrain: 187-222 (36.8 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong in Electric Terrain: 187-222 (55.3 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong in Electric Terrain: 172-204 (50.8 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 128 SpD Bronzong in Electric Terrain: 210-247 (62.1 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges in Electric Terrain: 199-235 (55.2 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges in Electric Terrain: 183-216 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 112+ SpD Cresselia in Electric Terrain: 195-229 (44 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 112+ SpD Cresselia in Electric Terrain: 177-208 (39.9 - 46.9%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock


now onto the voting stage: here are your options for this cycle!

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Agility
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Ampharos can sometimes have a hard time vs offense due to it's terrible speedtier, however Agility patches up that matchup. Timid is required as it allows you to outspeed Scarf Tyrantrum after an Agility which is huge. However, it's still outsped by Scarf Gardevoir, so you'll want to pair it with something that abuses Garde like Banded Escavalier w/ Pursuit.

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 240 HP / 36 Def / 232 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast

Sub Mega Ampharos
This Ampharos is meant to abuse your good match ups and set up Substitutes against mons that are unable to break it such as non-Ice Beam Milotic, Mandibuzz, Scarf/Defensive Moltres, Chesnaught, and Rotom-Cut. You can also threaten certain pokemon out such as Mega Steelix, Golisopod, and even Mega Blastoise if healthy, which gives you another chance to Sub up. Then, you proceed to click buttons to hit what’s in front of you. It’s a bonus that Noivern, a threat with Infiltrator that can hit through Substitutes, can’t actually revenge kill that well unless it’s Draco Meteor, which not all are. However, Swellow and Yanmega are still capable of doing solid damage with their own sound moves. The EVs allow Scarf Moltres to never break your Sub, as well as Drain Punch defensive Chesnaught. The fact that you’re a bulkier spread means you can tank Entei’s hits a bit better. HP Ice is an option if you hate Gligar but doesn’t hit much else, if anything at all.

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt /Reflect
- Dragon Pulse
- Light Screen
- Volt Switch

General idea
The combination of Screens + a slow Volt Switch is really too nice to pass up; unfortunately, I don't find the room to include Reflect on this set, but it is possible to drop Thunderbolt if you really need it.
Due to the fact it is a Mega, it is impossible to run Light Clay, but screens can be nice moves to spam if you are torn between using an Electric move (and your opponent has s Ground-type pkmn left) and a Dragon move (and the opponent has a Fairy or a Steel).
At least two attacking moves are mandatory in order to avoid being crippled by Taunt.

EVs spread
8 Spe are there to outpace uninvested base 45 Spe or lower; 248 HP EVs in order to have an odd number to survive one more switch-in into SR. Max SpA + Modest nature because we need to hit hard.

Teammates support
Wish support is really needed in order to recharge Ampharos' health throughout the match. A way to deal properly with Ground types is mandatory; in general, this Ampharos is not self-sufficient because it doesn't have the HP to overwhelm some threats without being worn down easily.

Ampharos-Mega (F) @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Thunder Wave Mega Ampharos. Thought about Thunder Wave to slow down opposing Pokemon. Dragon Pulse and Thunderbolt for Dual STAB. And Focus Blast as Coverage Option.

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Cotton Spore
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Volt Switch / Focus Blast

This set uses Cotton Spore to lower the opponent's speed by two stages. It's more accurate than Thunder Wave and lowers the speed of rival Ground and Electric types that are otherwise immune to Thunder Wave. It works a bit like a lure: if you know your opponent switches to something like Flygon or Tyrantrum, then you can Cotton Spore to nullify a potential Choice Scarf. Then you can revenge with Dragon Pulse. Modest is for more power, Timid for more speed.

Ampharos-Mega @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magnet Rise
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Makes you safe against the likes of Rhyperior, Steelix and Gligar so you can pressure them or bop the Gardevoir switch-in with Thunderbolt

Ampharos-Mega @ Ampharosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Electric Terrain
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Agility / Focus Blast

one of the downsides of using mega ampharos is that it has no way to boost its damage output by using specs/lo or a setup move like nasty plot or calm mind. however, if you think of electric terrain as an artificial nasty plot it can serve as an extremely powerful breaker and turns the tables on conventional answers to it such as cresselia and florges. not boosting dragon pulse or focus blast is fine because you're still able to break through their targets just fine anyways. agility can be used over focus blast for a pseudo double dance set cause tbolt is so powerful under elec terrain it can still break through steel and normal types with some support (altho u have to give up modest to outspeed scarf ttrum):

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel in Electric Terrain: 157-186 (43.1 - 51%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel in Electric Terrain: 144-171 (39.5 - 46.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 152+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 157-186 (41.9 - 49.7%) -- 87.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 204-240 (54.5 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 152+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 144-171 (38.5 - 45.7%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Electric Terrain: 184-217 (49.1 - 58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 188 HP / 192+ SpD Snorlax in Electric Terrain: 205-243 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 188 HP / 192+ SpD Snorlax in Electric Terrain: 187-222 (36.8 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong in Electric Terrain: 187-222 (55.3 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong in Electric Terrain: 172-204 (50.8 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 128 SpD Bronzong in Electric Terrain: 210-247 (62.1 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges in Electric Terrain: 199-235 (55.2 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges in Electric Terrain: 183-216 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 112+ SpD Cresselia in Electric Terrain: 195-229 (44 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Mold Breaker Ampharos-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 112+ SpD Cresselia in Electric Terrain: 177-208 (39.9 - 46.9%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock


my own vote goes for cotton spore. remember to vote for monday!
 
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