Show me those anti-leads

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OK, so the old leads are out, basically every team is trying to get up rocks first, and it almost seems inevitable that they're gonna do it... or are they. I'm trying to make an anti-lead that beats at least swampy, metagross, azelf, infernape, aerodactyl. I don't know if that's possible, but let's see, meta doesn't usually have focus sash, it'll have an occa berry most of the time, so something w/ earth power would kill that, and anything w/ a special grass move will basically take down a swampy who also doesn't usually carry focus sash due to it's great bulkiness. Azelf is a little harder, it hits hard, so something that can take a flamethrower, psychic, grass knot, ghost or dark could take it out, but it usually carries focus sash, so either something w/ a priority move or like a t-tar w/ sandstorm or abomasnow w/ hail to take out the remaining 1HP, infernape can be taken down the same way, ground move most likely since ground will take out the metagross easier, and aerodactyl leads also carry focus sash, it's very frail and most STAB atks will take it down, but it's very fast and gets up rocks quickly.

So I'm thinking it has to be something with the following:

Special based Ground move: i.e. Earth power (it's like the only one)
Special based grass move: grass knot, HP Grass, energy ball
Way to get rid of focus sashers: fake out, priority move, sandstorm, hail
Also, either outspeed at least up to metagross and stay bulky enough to take hits from azelf and infernape's strong attacks, or like a choice scarfer or really fast poke w/ all these moves

Now, i'm just brainstorming here, but i'm sure some of you are way ahead of me, i'm sure some of you all have been cooking up a nice anti-lead for today's lead game. So, unless you want to keep it a secret, show me what you've got, so i can get some ideas. Is it possible to do, beat all these five off the bat, i think so, it'll just take a good amount of thinking.
 
Heatran makes a good choice with a choice scarf since you don't need priority and he has Earth Power, HP Grass, Fire Blast and Explosion.

Also, Emploeon makes a good choice, Hydro Pump, Grass Knot, Stealth Rock, Aqua Jet. Hydro Pump is strong enough to beat a lot of things like Metagross. Grass Knot smacks Water types and Aqua Jet is a priority move. He's also bulky enough to take medium powered hits (un-STAB EQs, Fire Blasts, etc) so you can use a different item then Focus Sash or even a one time Berry (though Lum lets you set up on status leads).
 
Lucario is a fine choice.

Lucario (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Extremespeed
- Counter

Swampert: Counter eats it when it uses Earthquake. Close Combat does a reasonable amount of damage.

Metagross: Read Swampert. Close Combat 2HKOs.

Azelf: Crunch + Extremespeed.

Infernape: Close Combat + Extremespeed. Immune to flinch thanks to Inner Focus.

Aerodactyl: Counter can finish it. Close Combat for a 2HKO.


Lucario already does decently against the leads you have mentioned.
 
yeah, empoleon seems pretty good, is hydro pump a OHKO on standard leadmeta???

hydro pump vs standard leadmeta=53.30% - 62.64%

a 2HKO but i dont think empoleon is good vs metagross as it can outspeed and 2HKO back with earthquake(assuming empoleon doesnt invest in defense)
 
UU Anti-Lead Houndoom

Fire Blast
Dark Pulse
HP Rock
Sucker Punch

Flash Fire / Hasty / 4 Atk 252 SAtk 252 Spd

only common lead it has troubles with is Ambipom
 
Fuzznip said:
Lucario (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Extremespeed
- Counter

I experimented once with that. Might want to try going specially based, since most leads are naive, not hasty. Aura sphere with a rash nature can almost always OHKO heatran, while shadow ball still covers azelf and the like. Yeah.

j0ht0_m4st312 said:
is hydro pump a OHKO on standard leadmeta???

No.
 
I can't belive nobody nentioned Anti-lead Heatran yet.

Since there are so many threads like this, here is a quote of mine from an earlier thread:
Hmm, if you want to know what's the best lead I've ever used, well, here it is:

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Timid nature
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~Overheat
~Earth Power
~HP Grass
~Dragon Pulse / Stealth Rock / Explosion

One of the more fun and effective anti-leads by far. Though this thing is getting steadily more noticable and popular, I can still brag about being one of the first to use this beast. Overheat KO's standard Metagross (with Occa) and Hippowdon, along with many others. Earth Power does 87.04% - 102.47% to the standard opposing Leadtran (of course with Shuca taken into account) and offers great coverage as usual. If you opt for Modest, Heatran can muster 95.06% - 112.35% on the same enemy heatran as it Stealth Rocks. HP Grass gets rid of Swampert, and is a solid choice for 2HKO'ing enemy Azelf if you don't run Dragon Pulse. If you do run Dragon pulse though, it's a great neutral attack that can even 2HKO 252 HP / 252 SpD Latias (if one exists). Stealth Rocks is a decent choice even if you get locked into it, but generally Explosion is preffered for later in the game, as it can KO a special defensive wall (Take that Blissey) on the switch-in. Of course, using Explosion requires a Naive (or Mild) nature.

Overall, this Heatran is a great anti-lead and late game threat, if you keep it alive.
As you can see, this Heatran makes for a great Anti-Lead, taking care of Swampert, Hippowdon and many more.
'nuff said.
 
How many threads about leads do there have to be? We just had a Favorite leads thread as well as a discussion on the viability of anti leads.
 
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