simple Control OU RMT

[kemono]

Hi, i need opinions about my recent RMT team.

Gliscor (M) "The Flying horror
Rôle: Stealth rocker, Staller, Counter to Scizor, Lucario, Heracross
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Hyper cutter
Nature: Impish (+DEF, -SA)
EVS: 252PV//216SPD//40DEF
Moveset:
Earthquake
Roost
Stealth rock
Stone Edge/Ice fang/U-turn/Aerial Ace

Description:I wanted a solid leader, ans useful during all the battle. Gliscor with good health, defense and speed was a excellent candidate for that. I can't resist the "flying horror" reminding me a cross-over between Gremlins, Vampires, Bats and Scorpion. Technically with 2 good minnunities that permit me to place it on Earthquakes and Tunderbolts is the start, resistances to Scizor's,Lucario's and Heracross's STABS was a great plus, making it a semi-counter of them, a great friend of Weezing. Immune also to spikes and toxic spikes, having a instant recovery move and good STABs for attacking make of it my pet of 4th generation.

Moveset: For a lead, put the pointed stone is actually a must, having roost to avoid rest is a blessing and Earthquake is a good attack. However i greatly hesitate for the last move: Ice fang, Aerial Ace and Stone Edge are all good options for type coverage, and Stone Edge (with Hyper cutter) is a "welcome" for greatly injuring Salamence and Gyarados who like to take place on my pet. U-turn is a toy and i love that (since tested on Staraptor and Scizor), and Gliscor gets it.

Nature, EVS and Item: As a staller, Leftovers, no question asked. For the nature, i opted for Impish to preserve speed, particularry for 216 Evs speed which allow me to outspeed adamant Lucario and Scizor, and heracross too. Kiling them, without taking hits is better than taking less damages fro others. 252 Pv is obvious, and the rest in defense. On DS I noticed that Jolly with 142DEF//116SPD gives 321DEF and 280SPD.

Synergy:Resistant and complete Gyarados, Blissey, Vaporeon for immunity to thunder and resistance to fighting.

Problem: It's all question of the moveset, espcially the last slot:U-turn doesn't injure gyarados, Salamance,Scizor, Lucario,Heracross. Ice fang hursts only Salamence. Aerial Ace seems the best cause the few pp of Stone Edge. Frail to Ice beam and surf too.
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Forretress (M) "KABOOM!"
Rôle: Physical sponge,spinner, Spiker
Item:Shed Shell
Ability:Sturdy
Nature:Relaxed (+DEF,-SPD) with 0IVS SPD
EVS:252PV//252DEF//6SD
Moveset:
Rapid Spin
Spikes
Explosion
Gyroball

Description: I long Played Bronzong, but the spikes were a pain to deal with, and i lost cause of them sometimes, so I needed a good spiker as resistant as Bronzong, the only choice left was Forretress. It has Gyroball and Explosion too, but can both spike and remove the opponet's spike. Since its inclusion, i don't regret. Even without Levitate and less special defense, Forretress is a tank, Gyroball doesn't hurt many thing, but with all the counters I have already plus the fantastic Gyarados, the lack of power isn't a great problem. The best thing Forretress has is to be placed against Blissey, it does'nt fear Toxic or Thunder wave and can threat it with Explosion, the second good argue is the power of Gyroball against Gengar, the second most played ghost.

Moveset: Rapid spin is obvious, and Spike add some support making a doubled barbed wire for pokes, only Flyon escape spikes and take a bit from the pointed stones. Gyroball is to strike some special things: Gengar, principally, but also Weavile, Aerodactyl and others not frightenning pokes. Explosion is here to add some pressure and i have wish from Vaporeon.

Nature, EVs and Item:Relaxed with the less possible speed for Gyroball and a extreme physically defensive Evs spread, this cause of the stupidharcore striker DD Salamence@Outrage. The item is to escape Magnenoob, cause trapping is evil.

Synergy: With only fire weakness, and 2 water bulkies, it doesn't fear very much. Rapid spin is here to help Gyara in order to save it from pointed stones. Spikes is a ground barbed wire,dangerous for Scizor@U-turn and others.

Problem: Gyroball kills Gengar, but does nothing to Rotom-A.
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Weezing (M) "Cuchulainn"
Rôle: Staller, Hazer, Counter to Scizor, heracross, Lucario, Breloom, Gyarados and drainer of Snorlax, Blissey, Hippodown and others Bulkies.
Item: Black Sludge
Ability:Levitate
Nature:Bold (+DEF,-ATT)
EVS:252PV//252DEF//6SD
Moveset:
Haze
Pain Split
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower

Description: Okay,Okay. Rotom-A are better here, but...They fear Pursuit, and Tyranitar or Weavile and even Scizor get it.Secondly it's less bulky than Weezing (334X383 for Weezing againt 304X345 for Rotom-A). And Finally, Weezing has Pain split, and it's a great great advantage on Rotom-A. Of course, Rotom has Electric STAB, discharge, immunity of fighting and normal..."You'll see, I'll show you" said the Joker in the Dark Knight to show why he was right...Weezing is one of my favourite counter, it has the power, the moveset and the bulky to counter all the things listed above.

Moveset:Haze is something Weezing has and it's great, saving me from cursers and "Baton-pass chain team wins". Flamethrower and Thunderbolt cause 9 players on 10 think it has only one offense move and predict this "flamethower->choice spe starmie" as example or better "thunderbolt->Cheaploom". Pain split is the key, with that you can face Snorlax and Blissey and PPwasting them ashamely, PS after Bullet punch or Waterfall is also nice, but all the 400Pv+ bulkies are target making from PS a great tool; a very damaging giga drain...

Nature, Evs and Item:Bold with extreme defensive spread is classic, Black sludge cause on trick it's bad news.

Synergy:no, there's no synergy, but it's a strong independant counter and in reality, when alone, it has sometimes good difficulties to deal with 2-3 argets, that why it likes Gliscor and Gyarados.

Problem:surprise mixed sweeper like Infernape@Overheat as example, and CH are evil, but Blissey isn't a problem as explained above.
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Blissey (F)"Super nanny"
Rôle: Special sponge, aromathérapist
Item: leftovers
Ability: Natural cure
Nature: Sassy (+DS,-SPD)
EVS:20PV//252DEF//238DS
Moveset:
Aromathérapy
Softboiled
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower

Description: During a long time i played Snorlax over her, but she can be so useful and make good jokes at Scizor, Gyarados ect...She's also a bye for Rotom which can't do anything to her, except tricking.

Moveset:Aromatherapy and Softboiled are obvious, Thunderbolt is here for Starmie and Gyarados and Flamethrower for heracross, Scizor, Lucario, Breloom, Métagross ect...

Nature,EVs,Item:Calm for good special defense, 20PV for winning 1more with leftovers, and max defense.

Synergy: protecting from status and ppwasting special attackers.

Problem:no one, event without EVS in SA she can kill Gyarados, Lucario and Scizor.

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Vaporeon (F)"Arielle"@leftovers
Calm-252PV, 176def, 82defspe
Wish
Protect
Hidden power [Electric]
Surf

Wish is to support gyara is forretress is gone, it helps the others stallers to have the most part of their health when coming, which is essential to counter at best. Protect is a check for choice and a thicket for recover. Hp electric hurts both sala and gyara and others water type, when surf is for heatran, infernape ect...
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Gyarados(M) "Leviathan"@leftovers
Adamant, 158pv, 252attk, 100spd
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake
Stone Edge

This is my kill: Gyarados. I always like kills with power-up and Dragon Dance provides power and speed, with 100 Evs speed, you can outspeed Garchomp jolly and often all the things you want to outspeed. 158 Evs pv are for the bulk, with leftovers and that, It can take 3 psychicfrom defensive Cresselias and kill them. Stone Edge>Ice fang fr others Gyarados.


Before placing it, i check if SR is here and if there are rotoms, vaporeon or others gyarados here, iif not, i wish and place gyara, i DD on the switch and then strike with my 3 moves

HOW THE TEAM WORK: DIFFERENCES BETWEEN STALL AND CONTROL

This isn't a stall team, it"s a control team, the goal of Control is short/medium term, so we need to know the threats most played (here: Salamence, Gyarados, Scizor, Lucario, heracross in priority) and counter them quickly, that's why there are Flamethrower on Weezing ang Blissey, and Thunderbolt on them. Once the most things are countered, Gyarados can destroy the rest of the opponet's team and with 2DD it can kill its counters: Rotom-A, Vaporeon, other Gyarados and Weezing. In order to help this control team, Blissey is more useful than Snorlax and Forretress is better than Bronzong.

Thanks for watching, i accept all critics

 

[Kachalski]

Firstly, next time you post, can you please maek teh format a bit clearer, this was difficult to read.

Hi, i need opinions about my recent RMT team.

Gliscor@leftovers@hypercutter
Impish, 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Roost
Earthquake
Stealth rock
Stone edge/U-turn/Ice fang/Aerial Ace

I needed a lead useful at anytime of the battle, and Gliscor was a perfect shot for it. With many resistance and immunities, good defense and health, it can put the pointed stones and later, help to counter Scizor, Heracross, Lucario and can deal severe dammages to Salamence and gyarados.
I 'm always thinking about the fourth slot cause each move on it hax its use.

Accourding to what you want to do here, Infernape is much better. LeadApe will suply the same late game support, but better. Your last move slot would be best as Stone Edge, providing almost perfect coverage with EQ. You could use U-Turn to function as a scout though.

Forretress@Shed Shell
relaxed, 252pv, 252def, 6defspe 0IV speed
Rapid spin
Spikes
Explosion
Gyroball

I used Bronzong till i realized that spikes was a great pain for my team, Forretress was so designed to be its subsitute: put out the spikes, put some to support, explode on something nasty and finally the power of hurting Gengar, Aerodactyl and Weavile.

I can't see many problems here, you may want to run a few attack EV's, just to make Explosion hit harder. Contraversly, you could run a defensive Starmie to set up Reflect and Rapid Spin, however, this will give you no way to set up your own Spikes.

Weezing@black sludge
Bold-252pv, 252def, 6defspe
Haze
Pain split
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt

I can't explain how Weezing is useful: it's my only bye againt Baton-pass chain teams, and withs these 2 offensive slots it counters Heracros, Lucario, Breloom, Gyarados, Scizor.Thunderbolt is also useful to wlecome Salamence and Starmie. Pain split is an asset against some Snorlaxes, Blisseys and others...

I haven't had much experiense with Weezing, but accourding to your discription, Latias could function well here. ScarfLatias Counter's Lucario to soem extent, Gyarados, Starmie, Salamence, Empoleon, Infernape, and many other Pokemon your team may have problems with.

Blissey@leftovers@natural cure
Calm-20PV, 252def, 238defspe
Softboiled
ARomatherapy
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt

This is my Blissey, no Séismic toss, no status move but 2 moves to welcome Scizor, Lucario, Gyarados and Salamence, and it works! With Stealth rocks, they all suffer, once the hit received, i can witchs to others stallers and sometimes they die cause life orb recoil....The rest of the moveset is obvious: Aromatherapy is to save Gliscor and Vaporeon from poison, and gyarados from all status.

Blissey is probably your best bet here. Blissey those what you say it thpose, although you will need perfect prediction, and some EV's in SpA, to counter the threats you list.

Vaporeon@leftovers
Calm-252PV, 176def, 82defspe
Wish
Protect
Hidden power [Electric]
Surf

Wishers are Goodness, when they can counter Mixape and Mixmence, they roxxes! the water dog is the best friend of Gliscor , it support all the team and can (with thses EVS) take 2 Draco météors and close combat from the theats above listed. HP is for Gyarados and welcome Salamence too, it also helps against Starmie Revenge killers.

No problems here.

Gyarados@leftovers
Adamant, 158pv, 252attk, 100spd
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake
Stone Edge

This is my kill: Gyarados. I always like kills with power-up and Dragon Dance provides power and speed, with 100 Evs speed, you can outspeed Garchomp jolly and often all the things you want to outspeed. 158 Evs pv are for the bulk, with leftovers and that, It can take 3 psychicfrom defensive Cresselias and kill them. Stone Edge>Ice fang fr others Gyarados.

I would consider running Bulky Gyarados here, and maybe changing one of your Pokemon to Jolteon to support Gyarados.

Comment about the team:

This isn't a stall team, it"s a control team, the goal of Control is short/medium term, so we need to know the threats most played (here: Salamence, Gyarados, Scizor, Lucario, heracross in priority) and counter them quickly, that's why there are Flamethrower on Weezing ang Blissey, and Thunderbolt on them. Once the most things are countered, Gyarados can destroy the rest of the opponet's team and with 2DD it can kill its counters: Rotom-A, Vaporeon, other Gyarados and Weezing. In order to help this control team, Blissey is more useful than Snorlax and Forretress is better than Bronzong.

Thanks for watching, i accept all critics

 

[Infiltrator]

This team looks pretty good for a defensive team, though I noticed you have a huge weakness to SUBCM Jirachi. SuBCM Jirachi can cause this team a lot of problems, like it can set up free CMs and then go into Substitute on the Blissey set you're using without fear of anything, so I would recommend Seismic Toss somewhere in there. Maybe the standard Blissey Set which is:

Blissey@ Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD
-Wish
-Protect
-Seicmic Toss
-Toxic

This set will would work better that your current set in my opinion. Wish + Protect + Toxic is always an amazing combo. You can try running Thunder Wave if you he things like Gyarados and Scizor. Though you would need precise prediction for that.

If you want you keep things defensive you can try using one of the members of Rotom-A. Rotom-H is always great and when paired with something like Blissey it will be hard to take down. Especially with one of the sets that offers WoW, like my most favorite:

Rotom-H@ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Overheat
-Willo-O-Wisp

This is a great set, and with Willo-O-Wisp, it will make things easier for Blissey since Rotom-H can come in on Blissey's usual counter such as Gyarados, Scizor, Metagross, and some others. Though it can come in on things like Tyranitar and Lucario since Rotom will have to watch out from Crunch from both of them.

I've been using a Sub WoW Rotom-H set which can be very effective towards Tyranitar and Lucario, and even Scizor since most of the time the opponent won't be suspecting Substitute and they will be in for a nasty surprise getting burned. I use the same EVs from the set above except with Substitute over Overheat.


I'll make some more comments later.

 

[Bloo]

Weezing looks redundant on this team. Weezing main use on this team according to you is to handle Pokemon such as Lucario, Gyarados, Scizor, and Heracross. Well, Lucario and Heracross are taken care of nicely by Gliscor. Gliscor can KO Luke with a STAB Earthquake. Gliscor can take Heracross's usual moves of Close Combat + Megahorn thanks to its resistance to those types, while being able to heal any damage taken with Roost. Gyarados is handled nicely by Vaporeon, who can dipose of it with Hidden Power Electric, while taking Gyarados' attacks nicely. Scizor can be handled by Gyarados, who boasts a resistance to Bullet Punch/ U-turn/ Superpower. Even Gliscor can handle Scizor to an extent as it has a resistance to Scizor's Bug STAB moves and a resistance to Scizor's Fighting-type moves of Superpower and Brick Break. Basically, Weezing seems a tad redundant since your other Pokemon can handle the threats Weezing is handling as well.

What I suggest you do is use a Rotom-A over Weezing, like Hybrid suggested to you. You're setting up Stealth Rock and Spikes with Gliscor and Forretress respectively, however, you lack a Rapid Spin blocker, meaning a Pokemon such as Forretress or Starmie can come in and blow them away. A Rotom forme also handles the aforementioned Gyarados and Scizor that Weezing was handling, making Rotom-A the better choice here since it has the added benefit of blocking Rapid Spin and countering similar threats that Weezing was countering. You could try a set such as Rest /Sleep Talk / Will-O-Wisp / Thunderbolt, 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD, Bold. With Rest and Sleep Talk, Rotom can manage to take repeated hits from the likes of Metagross, Scizor, Gyarados, etc Will-O-Wisp allows you to cripple Tyranitar, a common switch-in to Rotom, in addition to crippling other Pokemon such as Scizor, Gyarados, Metagross, Heracross, etc. Thunderbolt serves as STAB, and allows you to strike Water-types and the like super effectively. So basically, this Rotom forme will allow you to tackle similar threats that Weezing was handling in addition to blocking Rapid Spin, preventing your entry hazards to be spun away.

Also, if a Rotom-A does replace Weezing on this team, you lose Haze, meaning you are more vulnerable to Baton Pass teams (although they aren't to common). To remedy this, you could use Taunt on Gliscor's last move slot. Taunt prevents Baton pass teams from setting up, making it a nice line of defense against them. Taunt also helps you combat stall teams much easier. Once Taunted, a number of defensive Pokemon will be unable to heal, meaning you can beat them one-on-one. For example, Hippowdon without Ice Fang will be beaten with Taunt Earthquake, as it will be unable to recover with Slack off when Taunted. Skarmory and Forretress will be unable to set up entry hazards meaning you'll have an easier time switching around with your team. You don't need Stone Edge as much. Its main use is to strike Gyarados and various other Flying-types such as Zapdos. Gyarados is handled by Vaporeon and Rotom-A if you decide to use it, while Zapdos is beaten by Blissey while Rotom-A can wear it down with Will-O-Wisp and Thunderbolt. Aerial Ace is only for Heracross and Breloom, both of which can be handled by the aforementioned Rotom-A. Speaking of Breloom, you can prevent it from using Leech Seed with Taunt, and slowly wear it down with Earthquake.

This is very minor, but I recommend using Sand Veil over Hyper Cutter on Gliscor. Hyper Cutter is really only useful when Gliscor is using Swords Dance to boost its Attack stat or Baton Pass it to another Pokemon. The only Pokemon in OU that really reduce your attack stat are Salamence and Gyarados with Intimidate, both of which beat Gliscor. Gyarados kills Gliscor with a STAB Waterfall or Ice Fang, and can outrun after a Dragon Dance. Most of the time, Salamence will outrun you and KO with Draco Meteor, making Hyper Cutter unnecessary. Sand Veil allows Gliscor take advantage of the common sandstorm found in OU. It provides Gliscor with an evasion boost, meaning it will become far more annoying to take down. That's all I've got to say.

 

[frogbandit]

Just a minor nitpick

Why not jolly on gliscor? If you face a lucario, you'll be able to outspeed every time with jolly and KO back with a STAB earthquake. I also would change the last slot on Gliscor to Taunt. This way you can deal with slower leads much easier and not let them set up rocks, and ruin baton pass teams.

 

[kemono]

-For Gliscor, jolly with 252PV//142DEF//116SPD give 354//321//280 just a little bit less than impish with 40DEF//216SPD. Hyper cutter is crucial to hurt Salamence and Gyarados on the switch.

-I play on DS: i can use Rotom-H on SB, but not on DS, and Weezing is a nice substitute even if it doesn't block Rapid spin.

For 280SPD Gliscor i follow you: killing it without an dammages is great, and with that it can outspeed Scizor^^

to moderators: Gliscor,Forretress and Weezing Edited, i'll continue like this for explanations. If someone know howputting pictures, itwould be nice to explain to me how please.

 

[haunter]

As Bloo already pointed out, a team that relies on passive damage to wear down the opponent would highly benefit from a spin blocker. Since you can't use Rotom-A on WiFi, why don't you try Dusknoir over Weezing?

Dusknoir@leftovers
nature: impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
-thundepunch
-earthquake
-will o wisp
-pain split

Weezing has no reasons to stay on this team with Gliscor and Gyarados ready to counter Lucario and other fighting Pkm, and a spin blocker would be way more useful. Note that if you use thunderpunch you might also replace hp electric on Vaporeon with roar, so that you keep the ability to pseudo-haze stat uppers\baton passers. If you decide to use Dusknoir, then I suggest EQ as your second attacking move to catch Heatran on the switch in, as they love to switch into predicted WoW.

 

[kemono]

As Bloo already pointed out, a team that relies on passive damage to wear down the opponent would highly benefit from a spin blocker. Since you can't use Rotom-A on WiFi, why don't you try Dusknoir over Weezing?

Dusknoir@leftovers
nature: impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
-thundepunch
-earthquake
-will o wisp
-pain split

Weezing has no reasons to stay on this team with Gliscor and Gyarados ready to counter Lucario and other fighting Pkm, and a spin blocker would be way more useful. Note that if you use thunderpunch you might also replace hp electric on Vaporeon with roar, so that you keep the ability to pseudo-haze stat uppers\baton passers. If you decide to use Dusknoir, then I suggest EQ as your second attacking move to catch Heatran on the switch in, as they love to switch into predicted WoW.

for the moment, i can't make exchange with items and pass by platinum, so dusknoir isn't an option.

 

[haunter]

If your choices are limited to certain Pokemon\items, then you have to specify it in your OP as it's extremely hard to rate a team when you don't know what you are allowed to suggest and what not.

 

[kemono]

i thought about mismagius as rapid spin blocker with these Evs

Mismagius "Casper"
Rôle:support, blocker
Item:Leftovers
Nature: Calm (+SD,-ATT)
EVS:252pv//252SD//6Def
Moveset:
Pain split
WOW
Shadow ball
Thunderbolt/Energy ball

or a second kill/Revenge killer/Blocker

Gengar "Dark"
Rôle: revenge killer, blocker, sweep supporter
item:Choice scarf/spe
Nature:Modest (+SA,-Att)
Evs:252SA/252SPD/6PV
Moveset:
Shadow ball
Focus blast
Thunderbolt
Destiny bond

I did some tests with Gengar instead of Weezing, and it didn't work at all. Today i'll test with Mismagius

Mismagius sucks too, Weezing is absolutely useful againt Gyarados and Breloom

There are the conclusions of my tests:
-Gliscor is a beast when it avoids ice attacks, its speed is absolutetly necessary in order to strike Scizor or Lucario first, Stone Edge is cool againt Aerodactyl, but otherwise, Aerial Ace/Ice fang seems the best. Surely Ice fang to strike Salamence/Aero/Hippo/Breloom but i can't do anything against Heracross WTF....
-Vapo is still useful, like Gliscor is definitevely my favourite bulky ground, Vapo is the bulky water
-Gyarados is a good kill and helps againt Scizor
-Bliss roxes with bot h Tobolt and FlameT
-Forretress is good, and very helpful

I have a place left, and Weezing is for the moment a great help against Gyarados

I've just tested Tangrowth and if I don't count sleep powder miss, it's great as pseudo Gyarados counter, and it provokes switches, very good.

Blissey edited.