Sing me a song, you're a singer [OU]

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The Team

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Hello.

This is my second RMT on Smogon (thanks to the people who rated my first team, I apologize for not responding but all of your suggestions helped). This actually a sort of joint RMT made by me and Slowpokez. He had this idea of using a sort of balanced zapdos that can still be bulky enough to keep some threats countered and in check while simultaneously being able to to ditch out damage. After testing it, it worked well and so we decided to base a team around it. The team is rather simple. Using what we found to be decent synergy, use powerful attackers to wear down at the opponent and of course ridding of zapdos' counters while doing so. Zapdos' role is not necessarily to clean up late game, it's moreso to counter various threats and act as a support mon. A powerful offensive core with some wish support and decent synergy make this team bulky offense. We were not able to do extensive testing on this team, but it did win of the majority of the battles faced.

Also, the name is a quote from a Black Sabbath song, a good band we both like. All nicks for the pokes are names of songs. Changes will be made in bold. So without further waiting we present team...



In - Depth

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Paranoid (Azelf) @ Focus Sash
Naive Nature
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
-Fire Blast
-Taunt
-Stealth Rock
-Explosion

The #1 ranked OU lead is so for a reason. Azelf may not be able to do much beyond setting up the all important stealth rock and exploding but that's all it needs to do to help the team. Azelf really is the standard for leads nowadays but it is extremely reliable at setting up SR and it's always useful for taking a potential threat down later in the game thanks to explosion or simply go out with a boom when my health is low when leading. Probably the biggest selling point is taunt. Our team star is SR weak, and since we couldn't fit a RS'er in we had to use some sort of setup preventing lead. In the end it was down azelf and aerodactyl, and azelf was chosen for explosion. Thanks to huntofthelion for suggesting fire blast > psychic, which has proven much more useful.
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Rat Salad (Breloom) @ Toxic Orb
Adamant Nature
Ability: Poison Heal
EV's: 48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spd
-Swords Dance
-Mach Punch
-Seed Bomb
-Spore

The biggest problems that prevent zapdos from functioning well are snorlax and blissey. Although a recent flurry of sprouting offensive teams have slightly hindered their usage, but they are threats to it nonetheless. Breloom fits an interesting niche on the team for handling these pokes. No poke that doesn't resist it is going to like +2 STAB mach punches. A powerful priority core is created by scizor and breloom. STAB seed bombs are also useful for swampert who stops most of the team cold. Spore isn't really a crucial move but is very useful regardless. It pseudo phazes and instantly cripples one poke from the opposition, although I'm sure you already know that. TBH I personally hated breloom with a burning passion since all of my previous teams were significantly weak to it in some way. Slowpokez however has had experience with it, and although I was rather reluctant to use the mushroom, he isn't that bad to have on your side.
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Fairies Wear Boots (Vaporeon) @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Water Absorb
EV's: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpAtk
-Wish
-Protect
-Hidden Power [Electric]
-Surf

Wish support is needed on a team such as mine, when there is only 1 other poke on the entire team that can heal itself. Since using a suicide lead doesn't necessarily prevent setup since it can't really OHKO all of the other leads and not all leads carry SR (other teammates do), zapdos greatly appreciates some extra support on the switch. While mixape isn't too much of a theat thanks to zapdos it's always useful to have the (arguably) #1 counter in the game. HP electric helps it counter gyarados and lets the team handle it more effectively. The longevity of our priority core is greatly increased thanks to wish support, so they can continuously harass the opponent. A water typing is also beneficial for the useful resists, in particular those to water and fire. The EV's are a slight variant from the standard. We simply felt that outspeeding skarmory and metagross to never be useful, so we transferred the speed EV's to HP. The great part is that vappy still hits a leftovers recovery threshold.
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Embryo (Scizor) @ Choice Band
Careful Nature
Ability: Technician
EV's:
72 HP/252 Atk/8 Spd/176 SpDef
-Bullet Punch
-Pursuit
-SuperPower
-U-Turn

The beast that reigns over OU with by far the highest usage rightfully obatains the crown and role the king of OU. We all know how annoying scizor is and how it works. It does multiple jobs thanks to it's moveset, and also checks salamence. The famous CB STAB priority technician bullet punch revenge kills and simply deals heavy damage to anything that doesn't resist it. Pursuit is also a rather peculiar move, high attack really gets the physically frail, especially if they are switching out. Like many others, we like to spam u-turn during the early stages of the match. Scouting for potential counters and read info about the opponent's team is helpful, as we tried to keep most of the OU threats in at least some sort of check. Scizor does that role extremely well, whilst simultanously revenge killing like any other scizor and providing useful resists thanks to it's typing. It's typing is also extreme bait for fire attacks that heatran can absorb. Regarding the spread....

slowpokez said:
176 sp def with careful hits a jump point, 252 atk still secures revenging mence after 2 SR switch ins or one switch in with LO recoil. 8 spe is standard on all scizors and 72 hp is filler.
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Supernaut (Heatran) @ Choice Specs
Naive Nature
Ability: Flash Fire
EV's: 40 HP/252 SpAtk/216 Spd

-Fire Blast
-Explosion
-Hidden Power [Grass]
-Earth Power

If there's one thing scizor does very well besides revenge killing, it's lure in fire attacks. Specs, flash fire boosted STAB fire blast is truly something you must bow down upon, because even if you resist it you WILL take some damage. The need for a fire resist climaxed when this spot was originally a metagross, therefore bringing a huge fire weakness that is only resisted by vaporeon. Heatran is not only an offensive powerhouse but acts as a great safety net for the attacks our priority offense often bring to themselves. The moveset simply aims for the best coverage possible. Dragon pulse never actually proved useful, it gets dragons but heatrans' outsped by most of them so it doesn't really matter. EV's are the standard. Not too much to elaborate on here, pretty much the same specs tran we know of, but fills a useful role on the team. Explosion was the only real alternative to dragon pulse, and it's useful on any poke. Although specstran may not be able to use it as efficiently as scarftran since it's speed is now lowered significantly, it's hard to take the hits regardless.
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Electric Funeral (Zapdos)

Slowpokez said:
Zapdos @ Leftovers
222 Spe / 192 HP / 96 Sp atk
Pressure
Timid (+ Spe, - Atk)
~Thunderbolt
~Hp ice
~Heat wave
~Roost

Defensively Offensive Zappy set. Makes an even better luke/scizor check then your normal offensive/defensive zappy.

Ev Explanation

222 spe beats jolly max spe gyara, jolly 216 spe gliscor, jolly lucario, any scizor, and neutral natured 252 spe mence. Hits 369 HP with 192, 310 sp atk with 96, and 320 spe with 222. 191 HP is a lefties point but overshot by 1 so you can switch into SR 5 times instead of dying after 4. 96 sp atk ensures you can get a OHKO on standard 252 atk / 252 spe / 6 hp jolly luke with heat wave 90% of the time.

Moveset Explanation

Roost takes advantage of bulk and was the best option for the last slot, mainly filler but is greatly beneficial. Hidden power ICE beats gliscor and mence as shown below in the calculations. I can outspeed jolly 216 spe gliscor and OHKO most of the time as well as neutral natured 252 spe mence. Thunderbolt is the main STAB which takes on gyara, cune, vappy, etc. Heat wave is mainly for scizor/celebi/other things that resist tbolt. Heat wave generally hits grass types harder with higher base power then hidden power ice does.

Nature Explanation

Timid Nature is needed to outspeed neutral natured 252 spe mence and jolly 216 gliscor as well as jolly 252 spe luke. It also just gives more of a kick beating some slower scarfers.

Calcs

zappy vs standard 252 atk / 252 spe / 4 hp jolly luke

310 Atk vs 176 Def & 282 HP (100 Base Power): 252 - 298 (89.36% - 105.67%)

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zappy vs standard 248 hp / 252 atk / 8 spe adamant scizor

310 Atk vs 196 Def & 343 HP (100 Base Power): 452 - 536 (131.78% - 156.27%)

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zappy vs standard 252 hp / 40 def / 216 spe impish gliscor

310 Atk vs 186 Def & 354 HP (70 Base Power): 340 - 400 (96.05% - 112.99%)

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zappy vs standard 232 sp atk / 26 atk / 252 spe neutral natured mence

310 Atk vs 196 Def & 331 HP (70 Base Power): 320 - 380 (96.68% - 114.80%)

That's the analysis slowpokez provided on another site, so credit for this set goes to him. I think the quote explains the zapdos well enough so I can't add more beyond it. Originally, u-turn was used purely for scouting. However thanks to many suggestions and testing, roost proved to simply be much more useful.
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And so that is our team. We are open to pretty much all suggestions, but we advise you to keep in mind that using this zapdos is a large part of the team, so try to suggest things that help it out. Unfortunately we couldn't get together a threat list, but I will try to edit in a team building process in a little bit.

Thank you for reading, we hope you enjoyed our RMT.

Rock on...

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Hi this is a good team but their is one pokemon that gives you enormous problems

DD Gyarados (especially taunt ones as they block toxic on Vapporeon)

A Gyarados with DD/waterfall/ice fang or stone edge/ taunt could run through almost your entire team. Luckily one simple change to Hp electric instead of toxic on Vaporeon will patch up that Gyarados weakness.

Good Luck!
 
Heatran doesn't need a Naive nature to outspeed important threats. The boost from going Rash is huge for a Specstran especially after Flash Fire activates, and 216 Speed still puts you ahead of Adamant Tyranitar and Metagross.
 
Hey, looks like a solid team. Just a few changes to make it a little better.

Starting with the minor changes, Azelf would prefer Fire Blast to Psychic, as it will let it hit the most common leads better. Heatran should be running max speed to at least tie itself in an emergency, and it's already pretty bulky. Lastly, Vaporeon would do better with HP Electric to better check Gyarados, which could be a problem for your team.

Now onto a slightly bigger change, I think Breloom would prefer the SubSeed set. Since you're going for a Zapdos sweep, the residual damage that Leech Seed can cause will be a big help in letting Zapdos clean up towards the end. A more defensive take on it could be even better, letting you set up on bulkier Pokemon. 236 HP / 248 Def / 24 Speed is the spread I use for it, it lets you live a bunch of random attacks with health to spare, so you can set up Leech Seed instead of having to spore to set up. Again, this set lets you chip away at your opponents health, which makes it easier for Zapdos to sweep.

Last change I would suggest, is to make Scizor a lot bulkier, something like 248 HP / 56 Atk / 188 SpD / 12 Spe. Since this is your best check to a lot of special threats, you need to make sure it can switch in repeatedly.

That's it, just some stuff to test out. Good Luck with your team!
 
Heatran doesn't need a Naive nature to outspeed important threats. The boost from going Rash is huge for a Specstran especially after Flash Fire activates, and 216 Speed still puts you ahead of Adamant Tyranitar and Metagross.

But i have one thing to fix with what you said. Since when did metagross run any spe other then rarely on lead sets and on agiligross? You should be able to outrun CB gross with less spe and naive as well as since when did heatran check ttar? ever? most of them are specially defensive if they aren't they can still take a few earth powers even from a specstran. Something you could run is 160 spe rash that outspeeds max spe adamant scizor and most metagross. Don't need to outspeed ttar as you cannot OHKO most ttar and they WILL OHKO you with EQ. Throw the rest into HP. Only thing you would need to be wary of is celebi and zappy which zappy is handled by something else/if its not then its taken down by a specs fire blast after SR after they t-wave you. celebi can only t-wave you and then be taken down by a specs fire blast.

Hp electric could be a possibility over toxic Atomic but the only thing is it's walled by blissey that way even though taunt ice fang gyara is pretty uncommon as no one runs ice fang anymore seeing as how +1 gyara rapes dragonite/mence etc with stone edge. You only need it for latias. Put hp electric like this in the set;

Hp electric/Toxic

Scizor is mainly a check for ddmence who can be trouble so you need 252 atk and he checks special attackers so you need to boost special defense. Run this set.

Scizor @ Choice Band
Technician
252 Atk / 72 HP / 8 Spe / 176 Sp Def
Careful (+ Sp Def, - Sp Atk)
- Bullet punch
- U-turn
- Pursuit
- Superpowe

176 sp def with careful hits a jump point, 252 atk still secures revenging mence after 2 SR switch ins or one switch in with LO recoil. 8 spe is standard on all scizors and 72 hp is filler.
 
Heatran doesn't need a Naive nature to outspeed important threats. The boost from going Rash is huge for a Specstran especially after Flash Fire activates, and 216 Speed still puts you ahead of Adamant Tyranitar and Metagross.
216 Speed would put him at 244, outrunning Jolly Tyranitar. I would add 8 more EVs though, just to be sure that you outspeed opposing Zapdos and Celebi, both of which could potentially paralyze you.
 
Thanks for pointing out the mistake on azelf's ability. HP electric seems like a simple enough change so I'll edit it in.

I'll test to see whose spread will work better, huntofthelion or slowpokez (slowpokez should also test the other spread). I will note that it's an important role of scizor's to check mence though....

Psychic really hasn't done anything useful, so fire blast is a simple change I'll edit in now.

huntofthelion said:
Since you're going for a Zapdos sweep

I wouldn't necessarily say we're aiming for a zapdos sweep. It's moreso promoting a balanced dos that retains it's countering abilities while still dishing out damage. Most of the damage will come from the tran / sciz / loom core. However, I will test out the subseeding loom regardless.

Thanks for the suggestions so far.
 
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