Smeargle Thoughts For D/P

Raikizen

Ok, so I was thinking of using a Smeargle on my team for D/P, but not as a coventional one. My Idea would be on a sweeping Team of Attackers. Here's how it would go,

Smeargle - Quick Claw

EVS: 252 Sp (-Att/+Sp) [The rest don't really matter]
- Spore
- Mean Look
- Memento
- [Filler]

So, the basic strategy is to start off with him, and have him be the fastest. The first pokemon he spores. Next, he mean looks. If they switched, he spores again. After that he uses memento to seriously cripple the current defenders attacking options. The last slot is a filler. After that I switch in something like Gyrados, or my favorite Absol, have them swords, dragon, etc up and then sweep. The defender doesn't pose much of a threat because of sleep, and it's lowered attack stats. And with mean look, it can't switch.
Anyways, if this hasn't been though of before, I was wondering if this is a good Idea?
 
With choice specs you can only use one move, and there are much better memento users than smeargle.
 
Oh sorry. I meant scarf. But the point is not to memento, it is to lock the opponent and not let them do anything. I know of better mementers, and honestly, I use Umbreon for Lock more than anything else, but smeargle is fast and that is what I wanted. To lock the opponent and then sweep.
 
Choice Scarf still only allows you to use one move. If I used Memento, I'd be using it to set up a Belly Drummer like Charizard or Azumarill.
 
Really? Oh, well, that kills that I guess. Thanks for letting me know. The item then doesn't really matter on him. Maybe quick claw or something?
 
Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't think your idea works the way you'd like it to:

Raikizen said:
If they switched, he spores again.
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Most people play with sleep clause, which means that only one Pokemon can be put to sleep at any given moment in the game.

Raikizen said:
The defender doesn't pose much of a threat because of sleep, and it's lowered attack stats. And with mean look, it can't switch.
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The effect of Mean Look is erased when the Pokemon that used it dies, so I'm pretty sure that Mean Look's effects would terminate when Smeargle uses Memento.
 
Oh. I didn't know that. Though when I think about it you're right. Darn, that kinda kills my idea. lol
Thanks for pointing that out though.
 
Raikizen said:
Oh. I didn't know that. Though when I think about it you're right. Darn, that kinda kills my idea. lol
Thanks for pointing that out though.
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Not necesarily just make the filler move baton pass, and then you could pass and have teh mean look stay
 
squeakyreaper said:
Or, possibly, you use Destiny Bond to kill it off completely? I dunno, just a thought.
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Haha, Destiny Bond + Memento Smeargle. Add Focus Sash, and it kills anything slower than it that isn't smart enough to switch out. Of course, if you somehow managed another turn, you could always Mean Look first...
 
squeakyreaper said:
Duh, you belly drum and spore to death. Or use a STAB'd Substitute to do alot of damage.
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I lol'd.


Spore/Endeavour/Destiny Bond/Extremespeed @ Focus Sash. They attack, you survive, Endeavour, and then you both die to Sandstream. If for some reason it isn't out, Destiny Bond/ES. Thanks for the game-wrecking trait and lack of a Tyranitar counter, GF.
 
I'm surprised nobody has come up with something like this (but then, maybe it's standard...):

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Jolly, 252 Spe, other EVs don't really matter
Spore
Dragon Dance
Baton Pass
Mean Look

The idea is that there are two categories of pokemon - those faster than max-speed Smeargle, and those slower. If the pokemon is faster than Smeargle, you Dragon Dance, then either Baton Pass, or Spore then Baton Pass, depending on the pokemon that you are switching to. Focus Sash will protect Smeargle from death on the Dragon Dance turn, unless the pokemon is Tyranitar, Hippowdon, or Abomasnow. Fortunately, All of those pokemon are slower than Smeargle.

If the pokemon is slower than Smeargle, then there are a number of options, but unless it's Tyranitar, Hippowdon, or Abomasnow, the best option is to start with Mean Look. This is then followed by Spore, and then Dragon Dance a couple of times and Baton Pass. In the special cases of Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow, the correct action is to Spore immediately, then Dragon Dance on the switch, then Baton Pass.

Yes, it's only a support pokemon, unable to attack, but it would be an interesting starter pokemon, in my opinion.
 
I've been trying to hax the battle tower with ninjask (which may work better once I get a focus sash and a special tank), and I've discovered one of the biggest problems with the being fast/boosting/baton passing thing is the issue of status problems. If you're put to sleep (got hit by hypnosis while boosting, focus sash won't help) or paralyzed you'll have to be lucky or your baton passer is out for good.

On a 6v6 team, I suppose you can be glad that your other five pokemon can't be put to sleep, but ehhhh...

Also, confusion = HUGE problem. If you swords dance/dragon dance and then get confused, you end up killing yourself trying to baton pass some of the time...again, focus sash won't save you. I guess that's one neat note about smeargle as a baton passer...no confusion. :O

Also, there are always-go-first moves which will preempt baton pass, but unless they're aura sphere, smeargle might survive them.
 
Aielyn said:
Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Jolly, 252 Spe, other EVs don't really matter
Spore
Dragon Dance
Baton Pass
Mean Look
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I tried that set once on Netbattle, and for all the times I tried setting up I found it was easier to just Belly Drum instead. I suppose it is rewarding for something like Snorlax though.

Note that I just named a random slow Pokemon with stamina and strength but no speed.
 
I tend to go with

Smeargle @ Quick Claw - Jolly
252 Speed / 252 HP
Spore
Belly Drum
Agility
Baton Pass

If it pulls off and you BP the Belly Drum and or Agility to a pokemon, you can sweep whole teams with near to no effort. Its not easy to pull off against a good player ofcourse but still can :>

I generally tend to BP it to my porygon 2
 
Spore
Dragon Dance
Baton Pass
[filler] / Mean Look, Substitute / Ingrain

I think you should really use Dragon Dance over Belly Drum and Agility, because it use up a space with one of those moves. Instead just use both, and increase both stats at the same time.
 
Aielyn's DDSmeargle looks wicked, as do the Focus Sash / DD ones in general.

I used Spore / Dragon Dance / Explosion / Baton Pass/Shadow Ball/Rock Blast (;P) in Advance as a gimmick set and it worked surprisingly well :P . Screws up 2 Pokey's or passes the DD(s) with a little luck.

Then again, my beloved lvl1 gimmick Smeargle I'm definitely going to try: Trick Room / Spore / Endeavor / Dragon Rage @Focus Sash.

asdf
 
only rason I use belly drum is because it immediately maxes attack rather than risking a few DD's in which you can die fairly easily. Smeargle is rather fragile. Generally passing just the belly drum to a fast poke who can agility themselves seems to work well too. Or a fast pokemon in general who doesnt need to agility (ninjask)
 
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