Monotype Specs Pelipper/Water [QC:2/2] [GP:1/1

[Pengairxan]

[SET]
Pelipper @ Choice Specs
Name: Choice Specs (Water)
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Surf
- Knock Off
- U-turn

[SET COMMENTS]
With Choice Specs, Pelipper can serve as a scary offensive force while providing rain support. Hurricane's perfect accuracy in rain allows Pelipper to use its strongest STAB move reliably, enabling it to remove Grass- and Fighting-types like Amoonguss, non-Focus Sash Breloom, and Okidogi. Surf consistently pressures threats like Corviknight and Alolan Muk. Knock Off hinders targets that can handle Pelipper such as Rotom-W and Water Absorb Clodsire by removing their Leftovers and Black Sludge, respectively. Finally, U-turn allows Pelipper to safely pivot out of unfavorable matchups and into wallbreakers such as Barraskewda. The given EV spread helps it outspeed Adamant Breloom and Bisharp while letting it survive a Flower Trick from a Choice Band Meowscarada at full health.

Barraskewda complements Pelipper by removing targets like Choice Specs Flutter Mane and Blissey. Close Combat helps Barraskewda beat Hisuian Goodra and in return, Barraskewda appreciates Pelipper enabling Swift Swim and eliminating physical walls like Skarmory and Pecharunt. Ogerpon-W appreciates Pelipper handling opposing Grass-types like Sinistcha and Amoonguss, which would otherwise wall it, and in return, Ogerpon-W can remove Water- and Rock-types that can cause issues for Pelipper such as Primarina, Rotom-W, and Glimmora. Swampert acts like a bulky Electric immunity capable of removing targets like Sandy Shocks and Raging Bolt while providing Stealth Rock support to wear down checks like Latios and Kyurem. Swampert can also use Flip Turn to bring Pelipper in safely, forming a pivot core. Toxapex provides a solid Grass neutrality and Fairy resistance, capable of handling foes like Meowscarada, Mimikyu, and Enamorus. Choice Scarf Urshifu-R acts like a fast threat, breaking through Pelipper's checks like Empoleon and Choice Specs Iron Moth. Furthermore, rain enables Urshifu-R to OHKO Ogerpon-H. Hisuian Samurott grants support by setting up Spikes with Ceaseless Edge to chip down would-be checks to Pelipper, like Assault Vest Iron Hands and Water Absorb Clodsire. It can also use Sucker Punch to check foes like Dragapult and Latios. Quaquaval and Tentacruel both provide entry hazard removal. Additionally, Quaquaval can break Hisuian Goodra, while Tentacruel provides a soft check to the Ogerpon formes with Liquid Ooze. Empoleon is a solid teammate capable of providing Stealth Rock and pivoting with Flip Turn. It can also use Flash Cannon to nail Ice- and Fairy-type threats like Kyurem, Alolan Ninetales, and Hatterene.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Water
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Weather Ball can be used over Surf as its higher power enables Pelipper to have a guaranteed chance to 2HKO Galarian Slowking while also providing a nearly guaranteed chance to 2HKO Articuno. However, against opposing weather setters such as Ninetales and Hippowdon, Surf does a far better job. In case Pelipper loses weather control or rain stops, Surf is preferable over Weather Ball.

[SET CREDITS]
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[SET]
Pelipper @ Choice Specs
Name: Choice Specs (Water)
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- U-turn

[SET COMMENTS]
With a Choice Specs Pelipper can serve as a scary offensive force while still providing rain support. Hurricane's perfect accuracy in rain gives Pelipper its strongest STAB enabling it to remove Grass- and Fighting-types like Amoonguss, non-Focus Sash Breloom, and Quaquaval. Surf provides a consistent STAB move enabling Pelipper to consistently pressure threats like Corviknight and Alolan Muk. Ice Beam nails annoying Flying and Dragon-types like Mandibuzz, Garchomp Dragonite and Hydreigon. Finally U-turn allows for Pelipper to pivot into its teammates. The Chosen EV Spread allows Pelipper to outspeed Adamant Breloom and Bisharp along with allowing Pelipper to survive a Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick from full.

Barraskewda complements compliments [RAHHHHHHHHH] Pelipper by being able to remove targets like Choice Specs Flutter Mane and Blissey along with using Close Combat to beat Hisuian Goodra while appreciating Pelipper enabling Swift Swim with Drizzle and ability to remove physical walls like Skarmory and Pecharunt. Ogerpon-W appreciates Pelipper removing opposing Grass-types like like Sinistcha and Amoonguss that would otherwise wall it and in return Ogerpon-W can remove Water- and Rock-types that could cause Pelipper issues such as Hisuian Samurott, Rotom-W, and Glimmora. Swampert provides as a bulky Electric immunity capable of removing targets like Sandy Shocks and Raging Bolt along with providing Stealth Rocks to wear down checks like Latios. [mentioning it providing pivoting for pelipper via Flip Turn] Toxapex provides a solid Grass neutrality and Fairy resist capable of handling foes like Meowscarada and Mimikyu. Choice Scarf Urshifu-R provides as a fast threat being able to break through Pelipper's checks like Empoleon and Choice Specs Iron Moth along with appreciating Drizzle enabling Urshifu-R to OHKO Ogerpon-Hearthflame. [we kill it with peli tho but i guess ur thinking if firepon is a +2.] Hisuian Samurott grants support by setting up Spikes with Ceaseless Edge to chip down would be checks to Pelipper in Assault Vest Iron Hands Galarian Slowking [Hamu just kills glowking.] and Water Absorb Clodsire along with being able to use Sucker Punch to check Dragapult and Latios. Quaquaval and Tentacruel both provide support through Rapid Spin removing Stealth Rock with Quaquaval also being able to break Hisuian Goodra while Tentacruel provides a soft check to the Ogerpon formes with Liquid Ooze.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Water
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Weather Ball can be used over Surf as its higher power enables Pelipper to have a nearly guaranteed chance to 2HKO Articuno and will always 2HKO Galarian Slowking. However against opposing weather setters such as Ninetales and Hippowdon Surf will perform preform a far better job overall along with being preferrable should Pelipper lose weather control or rain ends.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/pengairxan.622813/
Quality checked by:
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QC 1/2 well done fam

 

[Giyu]

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[SET]
Pelipper @ Choice Specs
Name: Choice Specs (Water)
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Surf
- Ice Beam Knock Off
- U-turn

[SET COMMENTS]
With a Choice Specs Pelipper can serve as a scary offensive force while still providing rain support. Hurricane's perfect accuracy in rain gives Pelipper its strongest STAB enabling it to remove Grass- and Fighting-types like Amoonguss, non-Focus Sash Breloom, and Quaquaval (Not that particularly dangerous to justify using Hurricane, especially with teammates like Toxapex and Primarina. Okidogi would be a better example as it can be quite scary if allowed to setup, or you can mention another Grass-type such as Sinistcha). Surf provides a consistent STAB move enabling Pelipper to consistently pressure threats like Corviknight and Alolan Muk. Ice Beam nails annoying Flying and Dragon-types like Mandibuzz, Garchomp and Hydreigon. Finally U-turn allows for Pelipper to pivot into its teammates. (Considering Surf does more to a neutral target in Rain than Ice Beam to a 2x weak target, there's no real need for the move. Quad-weak Flying-types like Landorus and Gliscor are nailed by Surf, Dragonite eats an Ice Beam and OHKOs with +1 Outrage, and everything else again either takes more damage from Surf or about the same from Hurricane. As for Dragon-types, Hurricane OHKOs Naive Dragapult and Hydrapple, and Ice Beam will do barely anything to Archaludon and Hisuian Goodra, with the rest just overpowering and outpacing Pelipper in the first place. Garchomp is the only existing real target but to run the move explicitly for Garchomp isn't worth it, considering it OHKOs with Scale Shot after Stealth Rock damage and defensive Garchomp wouldn't stay in anyways. Put a sentence for Knock Off here instead, if you have any questions or arguments against removing Ice Beam ping me on Discord) The Chosen EV Spread allows Pelipper to outspeed Adamant Breloom and Bisharp along with allowing Pelipper to survive a Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick from full. (When would Pelipper use U-turn?)

Barraskewda complements Pelipper by being able to remove targets like Choice Specs Flutter Mane and Blissey along with using Close Combat to beat Hisuian Goodra while appreciating Pelipper enabling Swift Swim with Drizzle and ability to remove physical walls like Skarmory and Pecharunt. Ogerpon-W appreciates Pelipper removing opposing Grass-types like Sinistcha and Amoonguss that would otherwise wall it and in return Ogerpon-W can remove Water- and Rock-types that could cause Pelipper issues such as Hisuian Samurott Primarina (Hurricane pretty much OHKOs Hisuian Samurott), Rotom-W, and Glimmora. Swampert provides as a bulky Electric immunity capable of removing targets like Sandy Shocks and Raging Bolt along with providing Stealth Rock to wear down checks like Latios and Kyurem. Swampert can also use Flip Turn to break bring Pelipper in safely, forming a pivot core. Toxapex provides a solid Grass neutrality and Fairy resist capable of handling foes like Meowscarada (Considering Hurricane and the defensive EV spread, I think using a different Grass-type example would be best, despite the statement being true. Focus Sash Breloom could be a good example as it often uses Rock Tomb, but a Fairy-type such as Iron Valiant could work)) and Mimikyu. Choice Scarf Urshifu-R provides as a fast threat being able to break through Pelipper's checks like Empoleon and Choice Specs Iron Moth along with appreciating Drizzle enabling Urshifu-R to OHKO Ogerpon-H. Hisuian Samurott grants support by setting up Spikes with Ceaseless Edge to chip down would be checks to Pelipper in Assault Vest Iron Hands. and Water Absorb Clodsire along with being able to use Sucker Punch to check Dragapult and Latios. Quaquaval and Tentacruel both provide support through Rapid Spin removing Stealth Rock with Quaquaval also being able to break Hisuian Goodra while Tentacruel provides a soft check to the Ogerpon formes with Liquid Ooze. (Mention Empoleon)

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Water
-----------
Weather Ball can be used over Surf as its higher power enables Pelipper to have a nearly guaranteed chance to 2HKO Articuno and will always 2HKO Galarian Slowking. However against opposing weather setters such as Ninetales and Hippowdon Surf will perform preform a far better job overall along with being preferrable should Pelipper lose weather control or rain ends.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/pengairxan.622813/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/boomp.637295/
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Grammar checked by:
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Would like to look it over again after edits, thanks.

 

[Pengairxan]

Ice Beam nails annoying Flying and Dragon-types like Mandibuzz, Garchomp and Hydreigon. Finally U-turn allows for Pelipper to pivot into its teammates. (Considering Surf does more to a neutral target in Rain than Ice Beam to a 2x weak target, there's no real need for the move. Quad-weak Flying-types like Landorus and Gliscor are nailed by Surf, Dragonite eats an Ice Beam and OHKOs with +1 Outrage, and everything else again either takes more damage from Surf or about the same from Hurricane. As for Dragon-types, Hurricane OHKOs Naive Dragapult and Hydrapple, and Ice Beam will do barely anything to Archaludon and Hisuian Goodra, with the rest just overpowering and outpacing Pelipper in the first place. Garchomp is the only existing real target but to run the move explicitly for Garchomp isn't worth it, considering it OHKOs with Scale Shot after Stealth Rock damage and defensive Garchomp wouldn't stay in anyways. Put a sentence for Knock Off here instead, if you have any questions or arguments against removing Ice Beam ping me on Discord)

Yeah, I didn't do a good job of this the first time around but I feel like Ice Beam > Knock still since Beam is doing respectable damage and does chunk checks in Wind Rider Brambleghast and Water Absorb Clodsire (which have been added in now) I don't really see a situation where you would want to be clicking Knock over any of your offensive moves since Surf/Hurricane surely break most things and two of the only checks aren't wanting to take Ice Beam.

Meowscarada (Considering Hurricane and the defensive EV spread, I think using a different Grass-type example would be best, despite the statement being true. Focus Sash Breloom could be a good example as it often uses Rock Tomb, but a Fairy-type such as Iron Valiant could work))

Pelipper needs to be at full to check Meowscarada, otherwise Choice Banded Flower Trick OHKOs while it can never switch in since Flower Trick 2HKOs. Pex is a 3HKO from full against CB and can threaten Meow with PJab before going down and will win against Scarf which is a 4HKO. Meanwhile Pex doesn't check Valiant, basically every Iron Valiant is running Thunderbolt now so even uninvested we just get smacked. Focus Sash Breloom is also scary for Pex since it still runs Spore, SD, and Bullet seed which just bullies us to death.

 

[Giyu]

Yeah, I didn't do a good job of this the first time around but I feel like Ice Beam > Knock still since Beam is doing respectable damage and does chunk checks in Wind Rider Brambleghast and Water Absorb Clodsire (which have been added in now) I don't really see a situation where you would want to be clicking Knock over any of your offensive moves since Surf/Hurricane surely break most things and two of the only checks aren't wanting to take Ice Beam.

Ice Beam barely 3HKOs Clodsire so it's not a real target, you'd honestly be better off removing it's Black Sludge via Knock Off as it at least allows Pelipper to bait it in on entry hazards or Hurricanes, eventually chipping it down enough to remove on switch-in. Brambleghast is a good example, but I don't know how threatening it is to really justify using Ice Beam. Knock Off has a lot of utility, as I mentioned Clodsire isn't a fan of having it's Black Sludge removed in the Water match-up as it's basically Grounds only swap in for 4 or 5 of the Pokemon throwing out Water-type moves. Rotom-W, Toxapex, etc. just don't like having their passive recovery taken away from them.

Pelipper needs to be at full to check Meowscarada, otherwise Choice Banded Flower Trick OHKOs while it can never switch in since Flower Trick 2HKOs. Pex is a 3HKO from full against CB and can threaten Meow with PJab before going down and will win against Scarf which is a 4HKO. Meanwhile Pex doesn't check Valiant, basically every Iron Valiant is running Thunderbolt now so even uninvested we just get smacked. Focus Sash Breloom is also scary for Pex since it still runs Spore, SD, and Bullet seed which just bullies us to death.

Toxapex can usually eat a Thunderbolt every now and then to scout, you should always have a Swampert/Gastrodon/Quagsire in the back after you've scouted the turn. The Breloom matchup is definitely dependant on Sleep turns so I agree with you. You can keep Meowscarada here, I just felt like you could add a bit more variety there considering Meowscarada was mentioned in the previous paragraph in the sense that Pelipper can actually beat it but yeah you'll only ever stay in and click Hurricane in a pinch.

 

[Pengairxan]

Ice Beam barely 3HKOs Clodsire so it's not a real target, you'd honestly be better off removing it's Black Sludge via Knock Off as it at least allows Pelipper to bait it in on entry hazards or Hurricanes, eventually chipping it down enough to remove on switch-in. Brambleghast is a good example, but I don't know how threatening it is to really justify using Ice Beam. Knock Off has a lot of utility, as I mentioned Clodsire isn't a fan of having it's Black Sludge removed in the Water match-up as it's basically Grounds only swap in for 4 or 5 of the Pokemon throwing out Water-type moves. Rotom-W, Toxapex, etc. just don't like having their passive recovery taken away from them.

Implemented Knock Off over Ice Beam.
Also added Enam since its about the only other Grass/Fairy that I feel really confident saying Pex beats in this current meta.

 

[Giyu]

Knock Off puts pressure onto targets that could handle Pelipper such as Rotom-W and Water Absorb Clodsire by removing their Leftovers.

Leftovers and Black Sludge, respectively.*

Finally U-turn allows for Pelipper to safely pivot out into breakers such as Barraskewda.

out of unfavorable match-ups and bring in breakers such as Barraskewda.*

Then add Alolan Ninetales in the Empoleon sentence, that's all I have.

QC: 2/2, good stuff!

 

[Pengairxan]

GP Team

 

[Lustre]

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[SET]
Pelipper @ Choice Specs
Name: Choice Specs (Water)
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Surf
- Knock Off
- U-turn

[SET COMMENTS]
With a Choice Specs, (AC) Pelipper can serve as a scary offensive force while still providing rain support. Hurricane's perfect accuracy in rain gives allows Pelipper to use its strongest STAB move reliably, (AC) enabling it to remove Grass- and Fighting-types like Amoonguss, non-Focus Sash Breloom, and Okidogi. Surf provides a consistent STAB move enabling Pelipper to consistently pressure pressures threats like Corviknight and Alolan Muk. Knock Off puts pressure onto hinders "pressure" overused targets that could can tense formatting handle Pelipper such as Rotom-W and Water Absorb Clodsire by removing their Leftovers and Black Sludge, respsectively respectively. Finally, (AC) U-turn allows for Pelipper to safely pivot out of unfavorable match-ups matchups and into breakers wallbreakers such as Barraskewda. The Chosen given EV spread allows Pelipper to helps it outspeed Adamant Breloom and Bisharp along with allowing Pelipper to survive while letting it survive a Flower Trick from a Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick from at full in a pinch health.

Barraskewda complements Pelipper by being able to remove removing targets like Choice Specs Flutter Mane and Blissey. (AP) along with using Close Combat to helps Barraskewda beat Hisuian Goodra while appreciating and in return, Barraskewda appreciates Pelipper enabling Swift Swim with Drizzle and ability to remove eliminating physical walls like Skarmory and Pecharunt. Ogerpon-W appreciates Pelipper removing handling "removing" is repetitive opposing Grass-types like Sinistcha and Amoonguss, (AC) which that would otherwise wall it, (AC) and in return, (AC) Ogerpon-W can remove Water- and Rock-types that could can cause issues for Pelipper issues such as Primarina, Rotom-W, and Glimmora. Swampert provides as acts like a bulky Electric immunity capable of removing targets like Sandy Shocks and Raging Bolt along with while providing Stealth Rock support to wear down checks like Latios and Kyurem. Swampert can also use Flip Turn to bring Pelipper in safely, forming a pivot core. Toxapex provides a solid Grass neutrality and Fairy resist resistance, (AC) capable of handling foes like Meowscarada, Mimikyu, and Enamorus. Choice Scarf Urshifu-R provides as acts like a fast threat, (AC) breaking being able to break through Pelipper's checks like Empoleon and Choice Specs Iron Moth. (AP) Furthermore, rain enables along with appreciating Drizzle enabling Urshifu-R to OHKO Ogerpon-H. Hisuian Samurott grants support by setting up Spikes with Ceaseless Edge to chip down would be would-be checks to Pelipper, (AC) like in Assault Vest Iron Hands and Water Absorb Clodsire. (AP) It can also along with being able to use Sucker Punch to check foes like Dragapult and Latios. Quaquaval and Tentacruel both provide support through Rapid Spin removing Stealth Rock with entry hazard removal. Additionally, (AC) Quaquaval also being able to can break Hisuian Goodra, (AC) while Tentacruel provides a soft check to the Ogerpon formes with Liquid Ooze. Empoleon is a solid teammate capable of providing Stealth Rock and pivoting with Flip Turn. (AP) It can also use along with Flash Cannon being able to nail threats Ice- (RC) and Fairy-types Fairy-type threats like Kyurem, Alolan Ninetales, (AC) and Hatterene.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Water
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Weather Ball can be used over Surf as its higher power enables Pelipper to have a nearly guaranteed chance to 2HKO Articuno and will always Galarian Slowking while also providing a nearly guaranteed chance to 2HKO Galarian Slowking Articuno repositioned the examples for more clarity. However, (AC) against opposing weather setters such as Ninetales and Hippowdon, (AC) Surf will perform preform does a far better job. (AP) In case overall along with being preferrable should Pelipper lose loses weather control or rain ends stops, Surf is preferable over Weather Ball.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/pengairxan.622813/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/boomp.637295/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/giyu.574288/
Grammar checked by:
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