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SPL will be having its 17th established team tournament. Use this thread to discuss anything DPP-related for SPL XVII. It will be frequently updated throughout each week to reflect the current status of SPL, including player matchups and replays. I'll also update the current SPL Week each week below.


Check out other useful SPL threads.
Week 1
Commencement Thread
SPL XVII Spreadsheet
SPL XVII Replays
Administrative Thread
SPL XVII Hype Thread
Team Matchups

Roster of DPP Players for each team(Bolded means most likely starters)

:Entei:Alpha Ruiners: Tizio Potente Ao, Fakes
:Raikou:Circus Maximus Tigers: Pideous, pixie909
:Gardevoir-Mega:Congregation of the Classiest: Groudon, Lazuli, M Dragon, Garay Oak, Sheik
:Suicune:Cryonicles: Gilbert arenas
:Tyrantrum:Dragonspiral Tyrants: Lady Bug, Tenebricite
:Snorlax:Ever Grande BIGS: 199
:Alakazam-Mega:Indie Scooters: SFG
:Garchomp:Stark Sharks: Malekith, Marshall.Law
:Marowak-Alola:Team Raiders: Skyrio
:Lycanroc:Wi-Fi Wolfpack: Void

M Dragon: 37500
Gilbert arenas: 34500
Fakes: 33000
Garay Oak: 18000
Void: 16000 (Retention)
Lazuli: 9500
Pideous: 9000
Lady Bug: 8500
SFG: 6000
Tenebricite: 6000
Malekith: 5000
Groudon: 4000
199 Lives: 3000
Marshall.Law: 3000
pixie909: 3000
Sheik: 3000
Skyrio: 3000
Tizio Potente Ao: 3000
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Discuss here right away with your thoughts. I'll update the information in this post throughout the tournament.
 
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Im extremely out of loop but this pool looks cool, love the new faces so felt like yapping an extremely uneducated power ranking(dont take it too seriously i literally have only watched the replays of last season and some games here and there)

1. Void

Void has clearly earned this spot after such insane consistency year after year, strong teams and strong play. Also beat the goat last year +10 aura. Fear is just coming off classic finals which is good support, hellpowna as well. Not much else to say, clear player to beat.

2. Marcop

I think marcop won the dpp invitational right? Granted Im mostly putting him here because PDC is the support. PDC`s classic games+his post were insane, somehow bro reached his prime after 15 years, though he was always really good in DPP in particular. Woulda been cool to see a full DPP season but I guess this works. Marcop`s a great pilot and I think they talk IRL(live together? idk) or something so cooking gonna go even more insane. Im not gonna pretend I understand marcop`s price but my guess is they prepped the auction together. For that price you gotta get like 8 wins and still help every slot ngl, so good luck to the cryos. I do believe in 6 or 7 wins here though. Most interested to see the teams here, I feel like because of the pressure of having to get so much mileage out of this slot the cryos will attempt to go for bulky offense / sit on the stallier side of things, but then you prep for that as the opponent, but then you have to go with offense to mitigate that in a couple weeks, but then you lose consistency? Like I aint built for going over 30k and clicking Draco / Hydro Pump / Focus Blast. Seems scary but fascinating. Tbf you can still do a lot of different kinds of bulky teams.

3. Groudon

Groudon showed consistency last year and has rui support I believe? (or had it last year i think idk) Whos pretty clearly best dpp support imo, they also have both Lazuli and Sheik who probably could have started themselves and m dragon is also good at picking teams. I think this is the safest bet to go positive from here on out, especially after you get rid of the nerves of first season.

4. Pideous / pixie

Pideous had a rough first go at this but she clearly has the talent and knowledge to excel at a second attempt, first seasons are always rough. I was also actually active during her invitational win and that was some damn good pokemon. Personally I believe if you give up on the gengar pokemon you will peak, nah but will be nice to see another season. Also im a big pixie fan and probably would have bought them to start if i was managing so thats a confidence boost for this slot.

5. Marshall / Malekith

I read somewhere that Marshall made semis of the invitational or smth which is impressive, personally im putting them here moreso for Malekith because he inspired a few of the builds I used my season and I think if he`s locked he can be top tier, either way they`re both veterans in spl and I think they should do okay, sharks are a good team to land on so trash teams arent brought. Would expect either an average record like 4-5 or a surprise popoff record.

6. Lady Bug

Cool to see Lady Bug play and get another season, and on a protagonist team this time at that. Abr and soulwind are gonna stop us viewers from being able to see the true wild west that is this man`s brain, which is unfortunate but a net positive for the tyrants. I think some cool teams are def coming from here though. Expecting something like another 4-4 again which is super solid for the price.

7. SFG

SFG only got two games last season, but I think they were both great. Was a big fan of the update of my team vs lady bug actually that shit looked good af. Also elodin has op teams and can probably help test to good level here. I know sfg is hungry for a better season and this could be the one, he`s had enough experience with spl and isn`t a bad player by any means.

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Ok so last 3 slots I genuinely just dont know anything about nowadays so I don`t even really know how to rank properly but ill go off gut.

8. 199 Lives

199 Lives has always been solid and its cool to see them popping up to play again. Expecting solid teams here for sure. Just been out too long from the big scene to rank higher but could be a sleeper pick for sure and a tough opp for everyone.

9. Tizio

I do sometimes see tizio posting cool teams and thats about it, genuinely have never once watched a tour game from them. Good luck on the debut brotha and enjoy!

10. Skyrio

Admittedly I know nothing about skyrio like actually. So didn`t play last spl and the one before went 3-6, not trying to look too much into the sheet but also not going to go watch the games ngl. Good thing at least is that they already know all about the experience and should know what to do better this time. twash and laurel as managers can also lift things up.

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Really sad to see tycarter and shing not getting a chance, but thats how it goes I guess, some get their shot and some dont. You both still fire

Also why tf does kristyl never sign up and wheres le don bruh :mad:

The breloom giga debuff is going to make the meta really interesting to watch I think. I aint gonna bother talking about whether that is a good tier decision or not but usage is certainly gonna drop and especially of the Mach set, which makes DD Tar absolutely demonic.

Also Cradily sleeper turbo broken now watch out for that threat. You ask me i woulda genuinely brought my mail cradily team w1 dont care who the oppoennt is and just go on vacation till the game. Just para jirachi and insta win. Restalk twave Gyara also seems fire. Lucario seems like a good pick as well rn with people sleeping on breloom more and leaning less towards fighting resists. Interested to see breloom`s usage overall.

GL to all teams excited to peep the replays in a couple weeks
 
Really sad to see tycarter and shing not getting a chance, but thats how it goes I guess, some get their shot and some dont. You both still fire
It caught me off guard to see people wanting/anticipating me to be drafted in SPL. Usually, it's easier to take the compliments and move on, but I've read so many comments about me being in SPL before and the aftermath, and I don't understand why I deserve it atm, and I mean that in a genuinely confused way. My self-awareness pretty much tells me there's just more needed improvement to do before trying(results, building, and mindset don't suit for SPL atm), especially when I am very dissatisfied with certain things that need to be resolved. Can't use simple words to tell how happy and thankful y'all make me tho, as I did sign up after being encouraged by ppl like PDC wanting me join in SPL. Maybe this paragraph wasn't worth saying, and I may delete it later, but it just didn't feel right to ignore it. I'll say I'm glad to see I did make somewhat of an impact on the playerbase, even if my purpose with DPP OU is just figuring out to see where the tier is going bc they got my favourite mons.


Moving aside... Since Bruno made his list, I figured it'd be nice to make my quick one as well.

1. Void
Have to give respect to the current strongest Bo1 DPP player in recent years, especially for maintaining such consistency with rare, bad losses. Not sure who he will get support from if Osgoode isn't helping him or if he's building for himself. Mainly because that factor determines whether he's staying positive or not, but I expect him to perform well and take at least three losses since he's one of the best gatekeepers against weaker DPP players.

2. Marcop aka Gilbert Arenas
Showing a strong performance at DPP Revival by winning the tournament, and with PDC support, I don't think he's taking losses besides, like Void, Eve, Lady Bug, and maybe Marshall. I think it'll only go wrong if PDC's preparation goes wrong vs his opponents, or Marcop makes one major mistake in the game.

3. Eve aka Pideous / Pixie909
I'll always have a big bias on Eve, and it's hard for me to rank her outside of the top 3. But I cannot be so sure she ends up with the best W/L score. Her performance on her last SPL has made me question whether she can keep the dominance she has from Bo3. There's also the nerf of Loom, which was one of her preferred mons to use in tours, so I'm very curious how she will adapt to this change. Obviously, her last SPL was her first, so I hope she performs well that it represent her right. Pixie is also a very strong support/test partner that's capable of beating anyone in the 4-10 range.

Pretty much everyone up here should be evenly close against each other, and should have a strong gatekeeping ability to not lose games vs people below. The ones below the gap are closer than you would think, but have some drawback that holds me up to put them high.

4. Lady Bug
Probably a hot take, but I'll have him up here since I think he'll perform much better than last SPL, aka when he just recently came back to the competitive mons. Just see this rank as a biased one, since in the early half of 2025, I encountered him a lot in ladder games, and as a teammate in ADVPL. And my bias comes down to the fact that he's a really goddamn good player that can beat anyone in the playerbase. The only thing that puts him below the others is his lackluster result, and I don't think he has the strength to gatekeep weaker players compared to the top 3, aka, which means he's easier to be upset while the others are much more difficult to prepare against generally. Overall, I do expect him to be positive or, at worst, stay neutral.

5. Groudon / M Dragon(Would be moved to the top list if playing) / Lazuli / Sheik / Garay Oak
The reasons why I put him below Lady Bug, despite Groudon having clear advantages is mainly what I saw from him in the last SPL. If you wanna ignore my obvious bias to Lady Bug, there is some stuff I've got on Groudon at least. He brought way too much offense to my liking, and some of them folded to Sub Zapdos(opponent could have won more if he spammed sub), smth that ppl tends to spam more in the middle of the week. He's not a bad pivoter, but there was something that raised my eyebrow, like his game vs BKC at the Semifinals bc there were certain scenarios that shouldn't have happened IMO(like t13-14 ish). The offensive teams he's bringing may also be nerfed, as well removal of sleep centralization, may make him more vulnerable to getting hyper prepped by certain stall types designed for his playstyle. But I can easily be wrong, especially if the supporters give him teams that have different angles from the last SPL. Again, he got positive and took strong wins for a reason. Just him having a better performance from last SPL makes him an immediate threat.
As for others, real quick...
M Dragon is with the top 3 guys for similar reasons as the top 3, just he's more prone to bring older teams if the prep doesn't align with his buildings. Lazuli is below Marshall/Malekith bc, while he has continuously taken strong wins(like 2-0 vs PDC in Bo3 format), his teams are more prone to being prepped, and those teams kinda feel like too reliant on being flowcharty, and sometimes the structures don't give him the strongest tools to outplay. Sheik is a strong pivoter, but I think he's just someone who plays the tier but doesn't build that much(lmk if I'm wrong) in a way where you can't play the game. If the opponent gets the option to maneuver around vs him, that's where I think he will struggle to play against, mainly vs the top 3, though. Don't have enough info on Garay, and he will most likely play ADV unless Sheik is playing ADV in cases where Garay doesn't succeed.

6. Marshall.Law / Malekith
Doesn't really feel right to put them so low. Both of them are extremely efficient in using the surprise aspect to the highest degree that I'd believe they will bring the most heat ass teams, both offensive and defensive teams that cannot be normally prepared. What could go wrong is if the momentum isn't going well for both of them. I feel like their mentality, mindset, and motivation are more prone to being affected than most other players, and if that goes wrong, they will struggle. Such as getting haxxed, unfortunate MU, and just frustrations that linger with them throughout the weeks. So something like an "all or nothing" type of core. I'll say I do want them to succeed, because I'm excited to see what type of saucy shit they will bring(please do not repeat teams marshalll...) to this SPL. People like these two are a nice breath in the tier.

1-6 are close to beating each other. What differs is the gap from 7-10, how far it is vs the ones above. 7-10 has a good chance to upset players at 4-6, but vs 1-3, it would take a lot of factors to break through their wall and take the victory.

7. SFG
A veteran at that point that's unfortunately known to be unlucky at the worst times, lmfao. He in SPL has always been shaky in terms of results, but he's definitely someone who can make upsets and stay positive by the end of the season. I'm very excited to see how he and Elodin approaches against the tier when the spore does lead to more defensive structures. I know for sure he's spamming lefties Metagross on over half of his teams since Loom is gone :P

8. Tizio
A very mood-dependent player, I'll say on that. I think he may struggle pretty hard vs ppl that will force him to play in the long term, but I think with strong support and practice games from Fakes and Dababy(one of those hidden support goats) and good motivation, he's a good chance to stay positive <3

9. 199 Lives
An old school player who's back at SPL again, and we love that! I wished I ranked him much higher, though, but I think he needs to push himself more as a player and plays to win here. He's a strong player who can gatekeep players out like 7-10, but pretty much everyone above him is capable of keeping him in check, and it comes down to whether he's managed to get the right turns and avoids matchups where he gets worn down. He has some support from ppl like Larry, Stone_Cold, and OmbrArch, but man, he will struggle. But hey, if he proves to me I am wrong, I couldn't be happier since he's the player I cheer out the most. Best of luck with your return to SPL once again, 199 <3

10. Skyrio
Geniunly one of the weirdest players for me to predict. Skyrio's a player that's 100% reliant on others, but the support synergy with Twash and Laurel may not be just there. Twash has a way too different approach that isn't so natural to most pivoters, and Laurel's structures can be a hit or miss at times. Maybe Skyrio will also get outside support, considering French players ALWAYS support each other. I'm just curious how Skyrio will prepare for defensive teams, and if his gameplay can make up for the 100+ turns that's bound to happen. Being in last place isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor is it completely right. 7-10 can be easily adjusted based on the values you have on ppl here, and for me, I think Skyrio will have the hardest time vs most people in the field. Again, just weird, and I'd not be surprised if putting him may backfire on me. But again, prove me wrong i'd love that :)


The DPP playerbase has always tough competition for new people to get drafted, so it's not a shocker for me, although lfg Lazuli!!!!
But I seriously hope Tycarter gets drafted next year. One of the hardest-working players I've talked to in this tier, and the effort he has put in behind the scenes is more than you'd expect from the average player. I was pretty upset to see him not get into SPL. But I suppose he needs stronger wins in more important tournaments, so maybe things will change for him next year... <3
 
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I'll probably be recording vids again although don't expect as many lives this time around.

Also here's a DPP Bingo Card I made
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Side Note: P.I.S.S. will follow the same criteria the DPP teambuilding competition used. (Paralysis-iron head-sandstorm-spikes) but togekiss air slash can substitute the Iron Head component of P.I.S.S. since it fulfills the spirit of P.I.S.S.
 
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The first week of SPL is up, and here are the week 1 matchups. Make sure also to make your predictions here, and your overall prediction for the SPL XVII on the SPL Predictions Thread to win a prize!

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Lady Bug vs Pideous
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Gilbert arenas vs Skyrio
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Malekith vs Tizio Potente Ao
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199 vs Groudon
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SFG vs Void
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Lady Bug vs Pideous
Gilbert arenas vs Skyrio
Malekith vs Tizio Potente Ao
199 vs Groudon
SFG vs Void



 

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Lady Bug vs Pideous: buggy is a good builder, pideous is rly good too but she has been reusing a lot, so i wonder if working on the new meta won't favor buggy

Gilbert arenas vs Skyrio not a lot of info on skyrio, and gilbert just won invitational, a french guy who doesn't bold another french guy, wow never seen before.

Malekith vs Tizio Potente Ao i love tizio, but malekith is a solid player, people forgot how highly he was estimated few y ago, if he's motivated he's a threat

199 Lives vs Groudon The anti-offense from 199 lives is so expected, that i got a feeling groudon massive support will put him in a good position, betting against the bigs is always an easy choice anyway.

SFG vs Void Void is obv very good, and will prob play anti offense, but sfg has some really diverse play and we will see if void is tough enough to take on the wave.

If u see lots of mistakes in the text, u know it's not AI.
 
Lady Bug vs Pideous - Highlight matchup of the week for me. Last year Lady bug started with a dominant win over Void making a great matchup call and bringing stabless nasty plot celebi. Gonna predict the same week 1 upset.

Gilbert arenas vs Skyrio - Haven't seen much from Skyrio outside of their short invitational run which marcop outshined. Hard not to predict him here.

Malekith vs Tizio Potente Ao - Big fan of tizio, he had a great year in unofficials, both individuals and team tours. While malekith didn't have a good spl last year he did get 7th in invitational alongside a history of decent results in spl. Going for another upset prediction.

199 vs Groudon - Played vs 199 in circuit this year, I chocked a won endgame and then he gloated in chat about how fire he played. Sheist player, hope he has a good run this SPL.

SFG vs Void - Goid. He got turbo cteamed week 1 last year and I doubt he lets it happen again.
 
Lady Bug vs Pideous
Gilbert arenas vs Skyrio
Malekith vs Tizio Potente Ao
199 vs Groudon
SFG vs Void

i'm going to go with an innovative predictions style where i'll hard commit to one entire side or the other for each set of predictions.

left side has malekith and i'm personally a fan of lady bug's teams, but unfortunately it has marcop who has committed to a name change where the last name isn't capitalized for some reason.

right side also looks pretty good. void is a safe bet. im a groudon fan. most importantly, though, it has an italian on it who iirc brought aggron to circuit finals and won, so i'll give right side the edge here. forza italia.
 
I'll assume around the first and second week, we will see more slow-paced, balance-heavy structures with one wincon or paralyze teams optimization up to week 3 and week 4, where more bulky or gameplan specific offense appears as a side effect to loom ban, compared to last year where most people went more offensive earlier before transition to more defensive and zapmie teams around week 4-7. To give anyone who doesn't play or understand the effects of sleep ban a tl;dr from my perspective: Balance is readjusting themself and has an easier time approaching the game without the Loom spore restriction(like past structures that was gatekept because of Loom), while Offense took a big toll because not only Offense lost one of the most consistent stall/balance breakers, but the none of the Spore Loom centralization makes that Offense needs more time adapting to the loss of the centralization. From taking advantage of the restriction loom had vs defense, but also adapt the upcoming defense and make offense structured that was also limited by loom. And IMO, offense takes more time while defensive is already refined enough that it's quicker to adapt to it.
So anyone who expects explosiveness and short turns will have to take a backseat, unless the specific player matchups are when both pivot the game best with offense.

Lady Bug vs Eve (45:55)
Eve looks as the one with the most disadvantage at the surface, since she understood how things operated around with Sleep unbanned, and readjusting to that is gonna be a bigger task for her, especially when Breloom was one of her main ways to express progress more offensively. Despite that, I believe Eve is winning after all that. To make this clear, both of them are definitely going to play balance/teams with a focus on maintaining long-term, with a minimum of 100 turns, as it makes the most sense for both of them based on the first paragraph. What Lady Bug excels at is having its teams prepared and executing the wincon accordingly from start to end, and I can see that for most opponents, it'll be hard to figure out what type of structure/sets Lady Bug will have until it's too late. But Eve is someone who thrives on long-term planning, and I think she'll quickly figure out what Lady Bug is going for, especially if her preparation figures out some of Lady Bug's strengths and preferences. Don't underestimate her adaptation in mid-game. I also think Eve is a better player because I can see her, even at a disadvantage, be able to turn around by outplaying as long as it's not guaranteed loss, while if Lady Bug is behind, I find it difficult for him to create plays to get back, unless the situation is only like slighty behind, or he planned something in the end that turns around completely. Lady Bug is the better builder, but Eve's the better player, and my mindset is that if the games are going to last longer, then the player who outplays often wins.

Gilbert arenas vs Skyrio (65:35)
Not sure how Skyrio should prepare against Gilbert with PDC support, as I lack trust in twash/laurel to find out the teams that synergize well with Skyrio's preferences. I think it's most likely that Skyrio will get some outside support, like the last time he did, then again, everyone you know in SPL has outside support from helping to build to straight out build out for them. So if that was in the factor, then it's still Gilbert favoured but probably like (55:45) ish. I think it's clearer that Gilbert will have some sort of defensive(hopefully not too overcooking ngl) teams, while Skyrio typically performs better with well-planned offense. The match may be closer than y'all think, and I can see Skyrio making an upset unless he makes subpar plays and gets too reliant on the team's flowchart.

Malekith vs Tizio Potente Ao (60:40)
Spain vs Italy in DPP? Pretty hype EU matchup, not gonna lie...
I think if Tizio had more recent replays of what Malekith wants, he would have a stronger preparation against Malekith, because he's gonna have a struggle before and in-game as well. Malekith is not easy to prepare because he has such an abnormal approach to the game, where you can't traditionally prepare for him, and he succeed on predicting what people will bring. You can argue that both Tizio and Malekith have very unique teams in DPP OU, but Malekith's advantage is that his teams are generally more solidified as a risk on the matchup, and his knowledge is by far vast enough that I don't think Tizio can reasonably prepare for what Malekith is cooking. I think if Tizio is winning here, it's basically because Malekith pulled out a horrible matchup that only gave him the outplays if he figured the team out super early, which isn't realistic, highkey. I'm not sure what both will bring, but I can def see the preparation will not be accurate for both of them lmfao.

199 vs Groudon (no ratio)
It can be pure offense vs offense, depending on what 199's prepared for, or Groudon's support allows him to play the archetype he had most succeeded on in the last SPL. If not, I think it's going to be very dynamic or very messy if both stall in an ugly ass way LMAOOOOO.
Seriously, though, the matchup is weird for me to visualize and draw a conclusion about. Groudon feels like the obvious pick because of the number of supporters he can get quality practice of, but something tells me who gets the better plays or the momentum from the start will win here from start to the end. And I think both of them are super even in that, maybe 199 favoured unless the games go too long and he makes major mistakes. I'll just go with the gut feeling and let 199 have it since I know him the most, but it can go either way tbh.

SFG vs Void (30:70)
The problem with SFG vs players like Void and PDC is that SFG plays the game in an honest manner, aka being fair in the game. Void's strongest strength is taking advantage of the meta flaws by finding holes that work vs the general thing, and it either defines the trends or exploits the holes of the tier itself. SFG will play the game where it feels like both get to make plays, while Void will build shit that actively nails down your ability to progress. I think if SFG wants to win here, he needs to be more grimy, dishonest, and generally push his advantage, which also cripples Void's movement. I'll say in week 1, people are more focused on developing the standard, so if SFG figures out the standard prep of what void's preference is, then he can easily mu fish there and make an upset. Otherwise, Void is simply better in most aspects over SFG, and I'd be surprised if SFG upsets here. Then again, Void lost in first week last time, so nothing is truly impossible in mons lol.
 
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