Tournament SSNDPL I - Format Discussion ($200+ Prize Pool)

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Good day folks. As I'm sure you're aware, signups for the first iteration of SSNDPL are just around the corner! For that reason, we figured now was a good time to get the discussion underway on the format of the tournament, particularly the tiers to be played.

For reference this is the format of every NDPL that has been hosted:

NDPL V (10 slots):
3x SV NDOU
2x SS NDOU
1x SV NDUU
1x SV NDRU
1x SV NDUBERS
1x SV NDMONO
1x SV ND DOU

NDPL IV (10 slots):
3x SV NDOU
2x SS NDOU
1x SV NDUU
1x SV NDRU
1x SV NDUBERS
1x SV NDMONO
1x SV ND DOU

NDPL III (8 slots):
3x SS NDOU
1x SS NDUU
1x SS NDRU
1x SS NDMONO
1x SS NDAG
1x SS BO3 (OU/UU/RU)

NDPL II (8 slots):
3x SS NDOU
1x SS NDUU
2x SS NDMONO
1x SS NDAG
1x SS BO3 (OU/UU/AG) (G1 is OU, Loser picks next)

NDPL I (8 slots):
3x SS NDOU
2x SS NDUU
1x SS NDAG
1x SS BO3 (OU/UU/AG) (G1 is OU, Loser picks next)

New tiers up for consideration:
SS NDDOU
SS NDUbers

Let us know your thoughts on the tiers that you'd like to see included in the upcoming PL!
 
Unreleased quotes from the King of SS kDCA on the format discussion
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Runo said:
ngl when talking in discord i completely forgot about the prize pool, can we just have like OU spam + mono + uu + ag? kinda feel less enthusiastic about tiers that lack a lot of tenure or activity

bo3 will be ass don't include it
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I have to agree, idk how active some of the lower tiers are now from last gen. I think considering this is the debut SSPL tour it makes more sense to play it safe and play tiers that are the most active and in future editions we can integrate lower tiers if there’s interest, similar to what we did with RU in SV. I think bo3 SSOU is perfectly fine though for competitive reasons…
 
4x SS NDOU
1x SS NDUU
1x SS NDRU
1x SS NDMONO
1x SS NDAG/UBERS

RU has a smaller player base but i think has enough, considering some of them are “MIA” or “retired” because there hasn’t been anything ssndru related, and they’ve also just randomly appeared again LOL. NDUU is nice, SSNDMono is a really fun tier imo, the lessened power creep makes it less.. annoying. NDAG and ubers are interchangeable to me, leaning towards ubers for the community. Also bo3 sounds lame
 
Dropping mine:
1x SS NDUbers
3x SS NDOU
1x SS NDUU
1x SS NDDOU
1x SS NDMono
1x flexible slot depending on signups

I’d like to prioritize the inclusion of DOU and NDUbers as they are metas that haven’t been explored but based on my discussions with Bobsican and Smudge there could be a considerable amount of interest to justify their inclusion in this PL.

For the final slot I guess it’s between AG and RU. Streets are saying RU is cooked but Adriyun tells me otherwise… so let’s see. AG also has a defined playerbase and I’m interested in seeing if that crowd turns out or if they’re more interested in exploring NDUbers, or if they can even co-exist in the same tournament.
 
3x ou
1x ag
1x uu
1x mono
1x dou
1x ru

Probably my preferred option, don't have a strong opinion on dou but is probably fine to include. In no way do I think ndag should be removed, ss ndag is one of the most beloved formats on this site and will see swaths of returning players. That + legacy make it a no brainer include here imo.
 
If this is going to be a 'PL' it should have OU + the lower tiers with a playerbase capable of providing a good pool and 10 slots is ideal for this. However, I don't know if that is too many slots or not. Just make OU around half the slots. I can only comment on Ubers. Although the tier isn't massively developed, the egregious stuff has been banned. It'd be fine to fill a slot, but the pool may be smaller than its competition.

4x OU
1x AG
1x Ubers
1x UU
1x RU
1x Mono
1x Doubles
 
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This tour will likely only be able to support 8 slots well, so here's my format vote:

SS NDOU x3
SS NDUU x1
SS ND Mono x1
SS NDAG x1
SS NDDOU x1
SS NDOU (4th slot) = SS NDRU > SS NDUbers (?)

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- ss ndag > ubers; has been included in plenty of past ND tours and is well regarded
- the doubles people show out strong to pretty much any tier that has 4 pokemon on the field and think it will support a solid pool here
- similar to above, mono people usually show out pretty strong and ss ndm is another tenured and liked format (to my knowledge.)
-- ss nduu is fire af
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Last slot is a pretty interesting case, I think a 4th SS NDOU or an SS NDRU slot would be best here with Ubers a bit further behind these two.
 
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4x SS NDOU
1x SS NDUU
1x SS NDRU
1x SS NDMONO
1x SS NDAG

This seems fine to me, Bo3 just looks like a hell slot and I don't think anyone'd want to play it. I'm not sure about the playerbase for tiers like SS NDDOU or SS NDUbers, but if there are valid reasons for including them I'm not opposed to their inclusion.
 
3x OU
DOU
Mono
UU
4th OU >/= Ubers > RU

8 slots feels fine here, 10 might be stretching numbers a bit thin honestly.

Shockingly, I'm going to yap about DOU; like a few people already said there will definitely be a turnout from DOU guys if the tier is featured and so I have an excuse to larp in a teamcord, I would like to see it. After playing and building of the tier in it's early stages with a few friends, it seems fine, obvious stuff like X is broken, Y is an issue but I think that's an issue for any emerging metagame so I digress. Very fun tier though and will definetly be worth watching games played in it and seeing the teams people come up with. Will also be nice to get some perspective on what Dynamax is like in ND DOU formats (Broken, probably).
 
Hi everyone, it's time to put Natdex AG DLC 1 into this tournament. I have discussed at length in the past here are those posts:

<https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...e-ii-format-discussion.3746991/#post-10195467>
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/agpl-iv-format-discussion.3701625/post-9209900

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You can fit it by removing the AG DLC 2 slot, or having both (both are two different strong playerbases), or having ND Ubers + ND AG DLC 1.
 
4x SS ND OU
1x SS ND UU
1x SS ND RU
1x SS ND Doubles
1x SS ND Monotype
1x SS ND Ubers
1x SS ND AG (DLC1)

After reading the comments here and in the Gen 8 ND Discord server, this is what I vote for, I do think that expanding the pool of metagames would be ideal, especially to ease an increase of the userbase that's into SS ND metagames. Regarding ND Ubers, while there may be some overlap on paper between itself and NDAG, the tiering actions done on the ND Ubers side leads to a quite different niche compared to NDAG, so they'd both be worthwhile additions.
 
OU 3x
UU
RU
Mono
AG (DLC 1 / DLC 2 it doesn’t matter too much to me)
DOU

I think I agree with others that this should mainly be 8 slots, and I think this gives the perfect representation of what ssnd has to offer. OU and UU are pretty obvious, and ssnd monotype is still played to this day in tours such as ndmpl and is a pretty entertaining format to watch, along with the fact that a ssndpl should naturally include monotype among the rest of lower / other tiers in ss along with uu. RU I think has a sufficient enough playerbase (playerbase not meaning mainers but people who could reasonably play this tier well). I also think RU is much more “developed” (or I guess more proven as a tier) than the relatively new ssnd ubers. AG is another obvious inclusion like monotype as gen 8 ndag is one of the most famous and beloved tiers on the site as a whole, I also think it would be cool to make it DLC 1 if people like it more but if that isn’t possible then DLC 2 is also fine. DOU is an interesting case as it’s also very new like SSND ubers, but I think it’s better suited for this pl format because doubles is most certain to get a good chunk of players even if they don’t know the tier. I also think doubles adds another layer of depth to the tour so it’s not just all singles which is less important but still nice to mention.

I compare RU and Doubles to Ubers as that’s their main competition for a slot from what I see. Ubers doesn’t have all hope lost for me though as I think the RU slot is the most flexible. However, the RU slot could also be a 4th OU slot, which is another reasonable option. I do think however that RU to mirror the NDPL format is a good idea however instead of having another “banlist tier” alongside AG.
 
3x SS NDOU
1x SS NDUU
1x SS NDRU or NDDoubles
1x SS NDLC or NDDoubles
1x SS NDUbers
Could honestly give LC a try. Will be a fair distribution to all the tiers ranging from OU to Ubers with LC adding a bit of a spice. At the end of the day NU and RU are still just OU for Bad pokemons.
 
I think NDPL III slot selection was one of the best, for the AG/Uber selection id prob let people vote for it. As for BO3, i don't think it's that good of an idea. Reasoning being that i don't think there will be enough people to provide support in the tier. Most names i remember for UU/RU in swshnd are like all gone for various reasons. I think it's still fine to include but i'd rather see something like a fourth OU slot or doubles

So this would be imo the ideal format
SS NDOU x3
SS NDUU x1
SS NDRU x1
SS ND Mono x1
SS NDAG x1
Flexible slot (NDOU > NDDOU > BO3 OU/UU/RU)
 
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