Latias - Uber
Manaphy - OU
Manaphy - OU
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Stage 3-4 Vote
- Thread starter Jumpman16
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Latias - OU
Manaphy - Uber
Manaphy - Uber
6A9 Ace Matador
veni, vidi, vici, VERSACE, VERSACE VERSACE
manaphy - uber
latias - uber
latias - uber
Latias - Uber
Manaphy - Uber
Manaphy - Uber
Latias - Uber
Manaphy - Uber
Manaphy - Uber
Ok, everyone has voted. Here are the results:
Latias: 60.6% Uber (13 OU, 20 Uber, 1 Abstain)
Manaphy: 78.1% Uber (7 OU, 25 Uber, 2 Abstain)
No matter what, Manaphy is uber. But regarding Latias, now we have the interesting dilemma of whether we should actually hold a Stage 3-5 on the Suspect Ladder with just her, even though this is identical to the way Standard has been recognized for a year now. We probably should, even though nobody probably wants to, because it's quite the headscratcher that Latias can be so much more uber with another pokemon than by herself, given that Latias was seen to meet the Support Characteristic, but oh well. We'll decide something shortly.
Latias: 60.6% Uber (13 OU, 20 Uber, 1 Abstain)
Manaphy: 78.1% Uber (7 OU, 25 Uber, 2 Abstain)
No matter what, Manaphy is uber. But regarding Latias, now we have the interesting dilemma of whether we should actually hold a Stage 3-5 on the Suspect Ladder with just her, even though this is identical to the way Standard has been recognized for a year now. We probably should, even though nobody probably wants to, because it's quite the headscratcher that Latias can be so much more uber with another pokemon than by herself, given that Latias was seen to meet the Support Characteristic, but oh well. We'll decide something shortly.
Okay, Aeolus and I just talked and we have come to a conclusion I think most of you will like. Our conversation, in its unedited entirety:
[18:47] <Jumpman16> so we have a decision to make about 3-5 or whatever
[19:02] <Aeolus> yeah :(
[19:02] <Aeolus> this sucks
[19:02] <Jumpman16> i know
[19:02] <Aeolus> i almost wish we had just stopped voting on latias
[19:02] <Aeolus> lol
[19:03] <Aeolus> what do you think is best for 3-5
[19:03] <Jumpman16> i think it'd be cool if we did nothing
[19:03] <Jumpman16> and made people pay attention
[19:03] <Jumpman16> to standard
[19:03] <Jumpman16> sigh
[19:03] <Aeolus> ok
[19:03] <Jumpman16> i was serious with that
[19:03] <Aeolus> so, no suspect ladder
[19:04] <Aeolus> latias on the standard ladder
[19:04] <Jumpman16> but im trying to think of why it still wouldn't be "60% uber"
[19:04] <Jumpman16> yeah
[19:04] <Aeolus> and pull voters from there
[19:04] <Aeolus> I'm game for that
[19:04] <Jumpman16> actually
[19:04] <Jumpman16> hm lol
[19:04] <Jumpman16> why can't we ask people to lol
[19:04] <Jumpman16> i got it
[19:04] <Jumpman16> ask the top sexp people RIGHT NOW
[19:04] <Jumpman16> to tell us
[19:04] <Jumpman16> what they think
[19:04] <Jumpman16> i actually do NOT want the opinions of those who played suspect
[19:04] <Jumpman16> hmmmmm
[19:05] <Jumpman16> like, if you played suspect, "you're biased"
[19:05] <Jumpman16> if not, but you still play a lot on standard
[19:05] <Aeolus> just pull the voters from the standard ladder
[19:05] <Aeolus> from say... the past 2 months
[19:05] <Jumpman16> and have SEXP that we can measure right now
[19:05] <Jumpman16> that is unbiased, not contrived
[19:05] <Jumpman16> yeah
[19:05] <Jumpman16> exactly
[19:05] <Aeolus> I like it
[19:05] <Aeolus> no manaphy coloring
[19:05] <Aeolus> it is perfect
[19:06] <Aeolus> done and done
[19:06] <Aeolus> DOUG!
[19:06] <Jumpman16> i dont even think it's unfair to say that we don't want the people who had too much sexp in 3-4 or i guess 3-4 too to vote
[19:06] <Jumpman16> yeah
[19:06] <Jumpman16> thanks
[19:06] <Aeolus> that was the best one of these convo's we've ever had
[19:06] <Aeolus> cheers :)
[19:06] <Aeolus> we're getting efficient
[19:07] <Jumpman16> haha yeah
[19:07] <Jumpman16> we dont even have to like wait lol
[19:07] <Jumpman16> this is great
[19:07] <Jumpman16> i'm compelled to just post this convo
[19:07] <Jumpman16> would you mind
[19:07] <Aeolus> go for it
[19:07] <Jumpman16> cool, thanks again
So that is what we're going to do. Since Standard is exactly what a Stage 3-5 environment would look like, we are going to look at the SEXP numbers of the people who have been playing Standard for the last two or so months, and canvass their opinion on how Latias meets any of the Characteristics of Uber.
No one-month delay of other crucial Suspect tests spent testing just one Suspect. No Suspect Ladder. No ignoring the elephant in the room who keeps whispering "but Latias has been in OU for over a year without being considered widely uber for at least much of that time, right?" And no "confusion" over a pokemon that just three substages ago was voted less than 20% uber.
We will soon reach out to Doug to get the pertinent stats and then compile the proper pool of potential voters. Thanks for your patience.
[18:47] <Jumpman16> so we have a decision to make about 3-5 or whatever
[19:02] <Aeolus> yeah :(
[19:02] <Aeolus> this sucks
[19:02] <Jumpman16> i know
[19:02] <Aeolus> i almost wish we had just stopped voting on latias
[19:02] <Aeolus> lol
[19:03] <Aeolus> what do you think is best for 3-5
[19:03] <Jumpman16> i think it'd be cool if we did nothing
[19:03] <Jumpman16> and made people pay attention
[19:03] <Jumpman16> to standard
[19:03] <Jumpman16> sigh
[19:03] <Aeolus> ok
[19:03] <Jumpman16> i was serious with that
[19:03] <Aeolus> so, no suspect ladder
[19:04] <Aeolus> latias on the standard ladder
[19:04] <Jumpman16> but im trying to think of why it still wouldn't be "60% uber"
[19:04] <Jumpman16> yeah
[19:04] <Aeolus> and pull voters from there
[19:04] <Aeolus> I'm game for that
[19:04] <Jumpman16> actually
[19:04] <Jumpman16> hm lol
[19:04] <Jumpman16> why can't we ask people to lol
[19:04] <Jumpman16> i got it
[19:04] <Jumpman16> ask the top sexp people RIGHT NOW
[19:04] <Jumpman16> to tell us
[19:04] <Jumpman16> what they think
[19:04] <Jumpman16> i actually do NOT want the opinions of those who played suspect
[19:04] <Jumpman16> hmmmmm
[19:05] <Jumpman16> like, if you played suspect, "you're biased"
[19:05] <Jumpman16> if not, but you still play a lot on standard
[19:05] <Aeolus> just pull the voters from the standard ladder
[19:05] <Aeolus> from say... the past 2 months
[19:05] <Jumpman16> and have SEXP that we can measure right now
[19:05] <Jumpman16> that is unbiased, not contrived
[19:05] <Jumpman16> yeah
[19:05] <Jumpman16> exactly
[19:05] <Aeolus> I like it
[19:05] <Aeolus> no manaphy coloring
[19:05] <Aeolus> it is perfect
[19:06] <Aeolus> done and done
[19:06] <Aeolus> DOUG!
[19:06] <Jumpman16> i dont even think it's unfair to say that we don't want the people who had too much sexp in 3-4 or i guess 3-4 too to vote
[19:06] <Jumpman16> yeah
[19:06] <Jumpman16> thanks
[19:06] <Aeolus> that was the best one of these convo's we've ever had
[19:06] <Aeolus> cheers :)
[19:06] <Aeolus> we're getting efficient
[19:07] <Jumpman16> haha yeah
[19:07] <Jumpman16> we dont even have to like wait lol
[19:07] <Jumpman16> this is great
[19:07] <Jumpman16> i'm compelled to just post this convo
[19:07] <Jumpman16> would you mind
[19:07] <Aeolus> go for it
[19:07] <Jumpman16> cool, thanks again
So that is what we're going to do. Since Standard is exactly what a Stage 3-5 environment would look like, we are going to look at the SEXP numbers of the people who have been playing Standard for the last two or so months, and canvass their opinion on how Latias meets any of the Characteristics of Uber.
No one-month delay of other crucial Suspect tests spent testing just one Suspect. No Suspect Ladder. No ignoring the elephant in the room who keeps whispering "but Latias has been in OU for over a year without being considered widely uber for at least much of that time, right?" And no "confusion" over a pokemon that just three substages ago was voted less than 20% uber.
We will soon reach out to Doug to get the pertinent stats and then compile the proper pool of potential voters. Thanks for your patience.
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