Starmie [QC: 2/2] [GP: 0/1]

[Estarossa]

[SET]
name: Life Orb Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Psyshock / Ice Beam
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Recover / Rapid Spin / Ice Beam
item: Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Analytic
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Starmie's fantastic speed tier allow it to serve as a great revenge killer to dangerous threats like Keldeo, Terrakion, Lycanroc-D lacking Sucker Punch, and Cobalion. Its solid typing and access to Recover also allows it to defensively check Pokemon like Keldeo, Galarian Weezing, and Cobalion to a certain degree, although it can be easily overwhelmed due to its average bulk. Furthermore, its fantastic coverage, its ability Analytic, and its decent special attack stat allow it to act as a dangerous wallbreaker itself, making use of the many switches it forces to massively dent even the sturdiest checks to it like Chansey, Umbreon, and Celebi. Surf is generally preferred for a perfectly accurate Water-type STAB move to threaten Pokemon like Krookodile, but Hydro Pump can be used for its better damage output, noteably having noteably guaranteeing a kill KO on Incineroar. Thunderbolt allows Starmie to break through Slowking and Mantine, which would otherwise wall it. While Recover is preferred in the last moveslot to allow Starmie to offset entry hazard chip and Life Orb chip damage and allow Starmie to switch into some Pokemon like defensive Galarian Weezing, Rapid Spin is an option if Starmie's team has no other entry hazard removal, while also having the added benefit of letting Starmie avoid revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile thanks to the Speed boost upon use. Ice Beam is also a solid option that prevents Noivern and Celebi attempting to switch into Starmie; it can also be ran over Psyshock on teams that can sufficiently pressure Chansey. Life Orb is the preferred item to ensure that Starmie can wallbreak as effectively as possible, but Heavy-Duty Boots can be used to improve Starmie's longevity in the face of entry hazards, especially if it is trying to fulfil the role of an entry hazard remover, while giving it a great matchup versus Sticky Web teams.

Starmie appreciates pivot support, as although it has the bulk to switch into some targets like Cobalion and defensive Galarian Weezing, it would rather not waste turns having to use Recover instead of attacking. Mienshao and Zarude can bring Starmie in on Galarian Weezing, Cobalion, and Palossand. Starmie also appreciates Defog support from its teammates, allowing it to more freely drop Rapid Spin in favour of Recover or Ice Beam. Galarian Weezing is a great option that can help to check revenge killers to Starmie like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile, Mimikyu, and Sucker Punch Lycanroc-D, and provide Toxic Spikes support. Grass-types like Virizion, Roserade, and Celebi can pressure Gastrodon, Rotom-W, and Slowking for Starmie. If running Megahorn, Virizion can also pressure Celebi, while Starmie can deal with its main checks in Galarian Weezing and Skarmory. Roserade can provide Spikes support to help wear down Starmie's switch-ins, and offensive utility through Sleep Powder or Stun Spore to cripple some of Starmie's checks like Noivern. Other entry hazard setters like Krookodile and Cobalion are also beneficial and can check Doublade, Bisharp, and Mimikyu for Starmie, although Krookodile must watch out for giving Bisharp a Defiant boost on switch-in.

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[Lily]

if you can write this much abt a starfish you should consider becoming a marine biologist
add remove comments

[SET]
name: Life Orb Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Psychic
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Recover / Rapid Spin / Ice Beam
item: Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots / Colbur Berry
ability: Analytic
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Starmie's fantastic speed typing and solid typing allow it to serve as a great revenge killer to dangerous threats like Keldeo, Terrakion, Lycanroc-D lacking Sucker Punch, and Cobalion, while its fantastic coverage, its ability Analytic, and its decent special attack stat allow it to act as a dangerous wallbreaker itself, making use of the many switches it forces Pokemon like Krookodile, Incineroar, Skarmory, Galarian Weezing, and the aforementioned Pokemon, to massively dent even the sturdiest checks to it like Wish Jirachi, Umbreon, and Celebi. this is one sentence when it should be like three lmao please split it up Furthermore, while Starmie's defensive stats leave a lot to be desired, it Starmie can still make use of its decent defensive typing to switch into Pokemon it checks like Galarian Weezing and Cobalion and Keldeo!!! huge reason to run it thanks to its access to Recover. Surf is generally preferred for a perfectly accurate Water-type STAB move to threaten Pokemon like Krookodile, but Hydro Pump can be used for its better damage output, noteably having a chance to 2HKO Umbreon and Celebi on switch in after Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes sorta reaching here lol you can just replace it w/ the ability to ohko incin or something. Thunderbolt allows Starmie to break through Slowking and Mantine, which would otherwise wall it, and often offers a safe midground when attacking Pokemon like Skarmory. While Recover is preferred in the last moveslot to allow Starmie to offset entry hazard chip and Life Orb chip damage and allow Starmie to switch into some Pokemon like Galarian Weezing, Rapid Spin is an option if Starmie's team has no other entry hazard removal, while also having the added benefit of letting Starmie avoid revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile, however, Starmie generally prefers to attack when it forces switches due to its incredible Analytic boosted damage output, making Rapid Spin not ideal on it. Ice Beam is also a solid option that prevents Noivern and Celebi attempting to switch into Starmie. Life Orb is the preferred item to ensure that Starmie can wallbreak as effectively as possible, but Heavy-Duty Boots can be used to give Starmie more opportunities to wallbreak and Rapid Spin at the cost of a significant amount of power. and Colbur Berry are good options on Rapid Spin sets, preventing Starmie from being worn down as easily by Life Orb chip, especially when using Rapid Spin; Heavy-Duty Boots also helps Starmie remove entry hazards more easily without being chipped down as quickly, and gives it a noticeably nice matchup vs Sticky Web teams, while Colbur Berry is useful to allow Starmie to check Sucker Punch Lycanroc-D, and avoid being revenge killed by Choice Scarf Krookodile and Mienshao.

Starmie greatly appreciates pivot support to offer it wallbreaking opportunities, as although it has the bulk to switch into some targets like Cobalion and Galarian Weezing, it would rather not waste turns having to use Recover. Mienshao is a fantastic partner for Starmie, bringing in Pokemon like Skarmory, Galarian Weezing, and Palossand for Starmie, while Jirachi is also a great option capable of bringing in Pokemon like Skarmory, Cobalion, and Keldeo. Jirachi can also provide a solid check to two of Starmie's biggest checks in Kyurem and Celebi, provide Stealth Rock support to wear down such checks, and help weaken shared checks like Slowking and Rotom-W with its coverage options like Thunder and Energy Ball. Choice Scarf variants of both Pokemon are also extremely capable of cleaning late game after Starmie has weakened their aforementioned checks. leave this in if you want ig i just dont feel it's necessary and it's alrdy kinda implied Starmie also appreciates entry hazard removal support from its teammates, allowing it to more freely drop Rapid Spin in favour of Recover or Ice Beam. Tentacruel is a good option that can also provide Toxic Spikes and Knock Off support to wear down Starmie's checks like Slowking, Umbreon, and Celebi, i understand why they work together but i cannot in good conscience have people building teams that get fucked up this much by rotom-w bc of this analysis while Galarian Weezing is aanother another option that can instead help to check revenge killers to Starmie like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile, Mimikyu, and Sucker Punch Lycanroc-D, and can similarly provide Toxic Spikes support. Grass-types like Virizion, Roserade, and Celebi are helpfil to pressure Gastrodon, Rotom-W, and Slowking for Starmie. Virizion can also help to pressure checks like Kyurem, and if running Megahorn, Celebi, while Starmie can get free wallbreaking opportunities off its main checks in Galarian Weezing and Skarmory. Roserade can provide Spikes support to help wear down Starmie's switch ins, and offensive utility through Sleep Powder or Stun Spore to cripple some of Starmie's checks like Noivern and Choice Scarf Jirachi. Other entry hazard setters like Krookodile and Skarmory also pair nicely to help Starmie wallbreak, Krookodile can help wear down Rotom-W, and provide a solid check to Calm Mind Jirachi, which can attempt to set up on Starmie, and Doublade, while Skarmory can help to check revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Jirachi, Mimikyu, and Doublade, and provide a decent check to Nasty Plot Celebi for Starmie.

pretty much everything you have here is great info, you just need to cut down on the wording - i didn't wanna do that too much here bc it's more of a gp thing. take a look over it pls

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Psychic
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Trick
item: Choice Specs
ability: Analytic
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Through the combination of Analytic, its great coverage, and the many switches Starmie can force against Pokemon like Skarmory, Galarian Weezing, Krookodile, and Terrakion, Choice Specs Starmie is an incredibly dangerous wallbreaker capable of 2HKO'ing even the hardest checks in Umbreon and Celebi after some slight chip damage, while providing solid offensive support to its teammates through its ability to check a variety of dangerous fast Pokemon like Scyther, Keldeo, Lycanroc-D, and Cobalion. While it is highly prediction reliant due to Choice Specs, its ability to 2HKO nearly the entire tier on switch in makes it an incredibly high reward Pokemon, and its access to Trick allows it to somewhat circumvent this by gaining immediate value against targets like Umbreon in fat balance or stall matchups, while still being able to put out solid damage and check faster threats like Lycanroc-D and Keldeo afterwards.

Starmie greatly appreciates teammates that can provide pivoting support, as it usually wants to stay healthy so that it can switch into or check Pokemon like Keldeo or Lycanroc-D respectively in an emergency. Mienshao can bring Starmie in on Pokemon like Skarmory and Galarian Weezing, and check Pokemon that can attempt to set up on Starmie such as Nasty Plot Celebi, and Calm Mind Jirachi after Starmie locks into Psychic or Thunderbolt. Jirachi can instead invite in Pokemon like Skarmory, Keldeo, and Incineroar, check Kyurem for Starmie, while being able to offer Starmie Wish or Healing Wish support to allow it to wallbreak more reliably throughout a game. It can also help wear down shared checks like Slowking and Rotom-W with Thunder and Energy Ball, allowing Starmie to more freely click its STAB moves. Due to Starmie being Choice-locked, it can be fairly easily taken advantage of by Pokemon like Krookodile, Obstagoon, and Kyurem, therefore checks to these Pokemon such as Galarian Weezing, Skarmory, Cobalion, and the aforementioned Jirachi are highly advisable. Galarian Weezing can also deal with some other revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Sucker Punch (or Accelerock versus a weakened Starmie) Lycanroc-D, provide Defog support to help Starmie stay healthy enough to check Pokemon like Keldeo, and if running a Neutralising Gas set, can better check Obstagoon and deny Slowking's Regenerator healing, letting Starmie more freely click its STAB moves. Skarmory can instead offer Spikes support to wear down checks like Celebi, as well as checking revenge killers like Mimikyu and Doublade. Cobalion can provide Stealth Rock and pivoting support against targets like Skarmory, or provide a secondary wallbreaker with Swords Dance capable of easily breaking down enemy teams after Starmie has weakened its checks like Palossand and Skarmory, and helping to pressure shared checks like Slowking or Noivern. Rotom-W is also a good teammate that can help check Krookodile and provide Defog support for Starmie. Late-game cleaners like Doublade and Mimikyu appreciate Starmie softening up the opposing team, and pressuring their checks like Skarmory. Doublade can also help to check some Pokemon like Lycanroc-D and Terrakion alongside Starmie, while Mimikyu's Disguise allows it to also act as an emergency check to Pokemon like Calm Mind Jirachi and Keldeo that might attempt to abuse a choice-locked Starmie.

told u to cut it down >:(

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[Twilight]

[SET]
name: Life Orb Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Psychic
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Recover / Rapid Spin / Ice Beam
item: Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Analytic
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Starmie's fantastic speed typing and solid typing allow it to serve as a great revenge killer to dangerous threats like Keldeo, Terrakion, Lycanroc-D lacking Sucker Punch, and Cobalion. Furthermore, its fantastic coverage, its ability Analytic, and its decent special attack stat allow it to act as a dangerous wallbreaker itself, making use of the many switches it forces Pokemon like Krookodile, Incineroar, Skarmory, Galarian Weezing, and the aforementioned Pokemon, I would honestly just remove these examples, you listing 4 Pokemon beforehand that it threatens to revenge kill and force out should be enough. Expanding this list further to 8 Pokemon seems excessive to massively dent even the sturdiest checks to it like Wish Jirachi, Umbreon, and Celebi. Starmie can still make use of its decent defensive typing to switch into Pokemon it checks like Galarian Weezing, Keldeo, and Cobalion thanks to its access to Recover. This statement seems out of place because you mention its typing in the first sentence, which to me implies it defensively checks them to some capacity to help it revenge kill them (Obviously Lycan-D is one it can't). With this being the case you should remove the mention of its typing in that first line and put this straight after, with how it can also defensively check the aforementioned Pokemon bar Lycanroc-D. Surf is generally preferred for a perfectly accurate Water-type STAB move to threaten Pokemon like Krookodile, but Hydro Pump can be used for its better damage output, noteably having guaranteeing a kill on Incineroar. Thunderbolt allows Starmie to break through Slowking and Mantine, which would otherwise wall it. While Recover is preferred in the last moveslot to allow Starmie to offset entry hazard chip and Life Orb chip damage and allow Starmie to switch into some Pokemon like Galarian Weezing I'm a little iffy on this because both its STABs 2HKO, there is also the chance of confusion and poison making things harder. When you pair this with LO recoil and it being worn down by hazards it can tally up pretty badly. Maybe specify defensive Weezing with it being less threatened by that., Rapid Spin is an option if Starmie's team has no other entry hazard removal, while also having the added benefit of letting Starmie avoid revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile thanks to the boost in Speed upon use. Ice Beam is also a solid option that prevents Noivern and Celebi attempting to switch into Starmie. Life Orb is the preferred item to ensure that Starmie can wallbreak as effectively as possible, but Heavy-Duty Boots can be used to give Starmie more opportunities to wallbreak and Rapid Spin at the cost of a significant amount of power improve Starmie's longevity, especially if it is trying to fulfill the role of an entry hazard remover, as well as while giving it a great matchup versus Sticky Web teams. I think this reads off better because the main premise for boots is to avoid being worn down by hazards, not having to take LO recoil from spinning, allowing it to be a better hazard remover more so than more opportunities to break. Feel free to edit the sentence if you can structurally make it better to reflect this.

Starmie appreciates pivot support, as although it has the bulk to switch into some targets like Cobalion and Same thing as before, say defensive Galarian Weezing, it would rather not waste turns having to use Recover instead of attacking. Mienshao can bring Starmie in on Skarmory, Galarian Weezing, and Palossand, while Jirachi can bring it in on Pokemon like Skarmory, Cobalion, and Keldeo I would remove the second Skarm mention due to repetition. You could avoid this by making it one list where the examples overlap E.g. Mantine, Toxtricity, Palossand, Talonflame, Skarmory. Jirachi can also check two of Starmie's biggest checks in Kyurem and Celebi, provide Stealth Rock support, and help weaken shared checks like Slowking and Rotom-W with its coverage options like Thunder and Energy Ball. Starmie also appreciates Defog support from its teammates, allowing it to more freely drop Rapid Spin in favour of Recover or Ice Beam. Galarian Weezing is a great option that can help to check revenge killers to Starmie like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile, Mimikyu, and Sucker Punch Lycanroc-D, and provide Toxic Spikes support. Grass-types like Virizion, Roserade, and Celebi can pressure Gastrodon, Rotom-W, and Slowking for Starmie. Virizion can also help to pressure Kyurem, and if running Megahorn, Celebi, while Starmie can deal with its main checks in Galarian Weezing and Skarmory. Roserade can provide Spikes support to help wear down Starmie's switch-ins, and offensive utility through Sleep Powder or Stun Spore to cripple some of Starmie's checks like Noivern and Choice Scarf Jirachi. Other entry hazard setters like Krookodile, Cobalion, and Skarmory are also beneficial, Krookodile can help wear down Rotom-W, I don't think this really matters when a Rotom-W isn't pivoting into Psychic at all, non-Analytic Psychic drops offensive Washtom after rocks. and check Doublade and Calm Mind Jirachi, while Skarmory can check revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Jirachi, Mimikyu, and Doublade, and provide a decent check to Nasty Plot Celebi. While this is correct I would prefer if this next point was added instead just to tie them all in together. So, I'd mention Bisharp and DD Ttar here as something all 3 here check, though the former has to be more wary of giving it the +1 into an Iron Head. Then you can proceed to lead into how Krook also helps remove the other two.

I'd give a mention to Kyurem. It breaks through the bulky Water-types and Celebi, checks the Rotom formes if they're Choice Scarfed. In return, Starmie can remove hazards, which Specs sets greatly appreciate and check Fighting-types for it.

You mention Noivern a good amount but not partners that actually want to switch into it. I would add a mention to Hatterene or Tyranitar. Ttar can also handle Kyurem and remove Celebi + Slowking. Hatterene provides a form of hazard control, helping it run another option over Spin.

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[Adeleine]

AM Check :)
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[SET]
name: Life Orb Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Psychic
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Recover / Rapid Spin / Ice Beam
item: Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Analytic
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Starmie's fantastic speed tier allow Speed tier allows it to serve as a great revenge killer to dangerous threats like Keldeo, Terrakion, Lycanroc-D lacking Sucker Punch, and Cobalion. Its solid typing and access to Recover also allows it to let it (repetitive phrasing) defensively check Pokemon like opposing Starmie, Galarian Weezing, and Cobalion to a certain degree, although (AC), but (you already have the "maybe" after the comma) it can be easily overwhelmed due to its average bulk. Furthermore, its Starmie's fantastic coverage, its ability Analytic, and its decent special attack stat Special Attack stat also allow it to act as a dangerous wallbreaker itself, making use of the many switches it forces to massively dent even the sturdiest checks to it its sturdiest checks like Wish Jirachi, Umbreon, and Celebi with Analytic-boosted attacks. Starmie can still make use of its decent defensive typing to switch into Pokemon it checks like Galarian Weezing, Keldeo, and Cobalion thanks to its access to Recover. (already said) Surf is generally preferred for a perfectly accurate Water-type STAB move to threaten Pokemon like Krookodile, but (fluff) Hydro Pump can be used over Surf for its better damage output, noteably having notably guaranteeing a OHKO on Incineroar. Thunderbolt allows Starmie to break through Slowking and Mantine, which would otherwise wall it. While Recover is preferred in the last moveslot to allow Starmie to offset entry hazard chip and Life Orb chip damage and allow Starmie to switch into some Pokemon like defensive Galarian Weezing, to heal off chip damage from entry hazards and Life Orb, and to let Starmie defensively check threats like Galarian Weezing, (awkwardness) Rapid Spin is an option if Starmie's team has no other form of entry hazard removal(RC), while also having the added benefit of letting Starmie avoid revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile thanks to the Speed boost upon use. that also lets Starmie outspeed and circumvent revenge killers like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile. (awkwardness+clarity+fluff) Ice Beam is also a solid option that prevents Noivern and Celebi attempting to switch from switching into Starmie. Life Orb is the preferred item to ensure that Starmie can wallbreak as effectively as possible, but (fluff) Heavy-Duty Boots can be used to improve Starmie's longevity in the face of entry hazards, especially if it is trying to fulfill the role of an entry hazard remover, while giving it let Starmie switch in more freely, make Rapid Spin Starmie a more durable entry hazard remover, and give this set (fluff) a great matchup versus Sticky Web teams.

Starmie appreciates pivot support(RC), as although it has the bulk to switch into some targets like Cobalion and defensive Galarian Weezing, it would rather not waste turns having to use Recover instead of attacking. because safe switches in let Starmie attack rather than waste turns using Recover. (fluff+clarity) Mienshao and Jirachi can bring pivot Starmie into Skarmory, Galarian Weezing, Cobalion, Palossand, and Keldeo. Jirachi can also check two of Starmie's biggest checks in Kyurem and Celebi, provide Stealth Rock support, and help weaken shared checks like Slowking and Rotom-W with its via (awkwardness) coverage options like Thunder and Energy Ball. Starmie also appreciates Defog support from its teammates, allowing which allows it to more freely drop Rapid Spin in favour of Recover or Ice Beam. run Recover or Ice Beam instead of Rapid Spin. (clear phrasing) Galarian Weezing is a great option that can help to check revenge killers to Starmie like Choice Scarf Mienshao and Krookodile, Mimikyu, and Sucker Punch Lycanroc-D(RC), and provide while also providing Toxic Spikes support. Grass-types like Virizion, Roserade, and Celebi can pressure Gastrodon, Rotom-W, and Slowking for Starmie. Virizion can also help to pressure Kyurem(RC), and and(AC), if running Megahorn, Celebi, while Starmie can deal with its Virizion's main checks in Galarian Weezing and Skarmory. Roserade can provide Spikes support to help wear down Starmie's switch-ins (RC), and offensive utility through Sleep Powder or Stun Spore to cripple some of Starmie's checks checks to Starmie (awkwardness) like Noivern and Choice Scarf Jirachi. Kyurem is also a nice an effective (looks like this got divorced from the "pressure Gastrodon" sentence, so I'm making changes like this) option to pressure these bulky Water-types, switch into Choice Scarf Rotom-W and Rotom-C, and pressure Celebi for Starmie. Other entry hazard setters like (this is a general phrase, but everything here is about these two in specific) Krookodile and Skarmory are also beneficial and can set entry hazards and check Bisharp, Doublade, and Dragon Dance Tyranitar for Starmie, (repetitive phrasing) although Krookodile must watch out for giving be careful when switching in, because Intimidate gives (clarity+phrasing fix) Bisharp a Defiant boost on switch-in(RS); (AP). Krookodile can also check Calm Mind Jirachi, while Skarmory can check Nasty Plot Celebi as well as (awkwardness) revenge killers like Mimikyu and Choice Scarf Mienshao and Jirachi, and provide a decent check to Nasty Plot Celebi. (AC), Choice Scarf Mienshao, and Choice Scarf Jirachi. (awkwardness) Hatterene is a another good teammate for Starmie, helping to it check Noivern(RC), while providing a form of hazard control so that Starmie can more easily forgo Rapid Spin.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[estarossa, 461329]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lilburr, 481709], []]
- Grammar checked by: [[]]