SUPRISE team (Sorry-thats the best title I could think of)

[november1093]

OK here is my team:

This is my first RMT. This Team has been pretty good for me. It works espcially well on people who expect standard pokemon movesets and item choices. I don't really know how it would work out if I was to use it competitively though (after all I never get to do those tournament thingys). The most I can do is find people on PBR which I school most people in due to the teams many oddities. So please allow me to introduce the gang.

Yanmega @ Focus Sash
Modest
Ability: Speed Boost
EV: 252 Spe/252 Sp.Atk/6 HP
-Bug Buzz
-Air Slash
-Hypnosis
-Protect

Ah, good old Yanmega. He used to be a beast with his 70% accurate Hypnosis. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case in Platinum. I used to be able to take on Palkia leads and win with full health with this guy (not that I'll be seeing those very often but that should give you an idea of how effective this guy was). Now Yanmega is nothing more than a veteran of war. This guy is still currently my teams lead, but I think he needs to retire soon. I would preferably like something to take on phycics if he was replaced. Also, if you would notice I don't have a SR lead. I don't see much need for SR on the first turn of battle because anything specially offensive I can wall with Latias, and when the oponnent does finally switch to a physical pokemon I can bring Gliscor out and then use it. Yanmega is also one of the few pokemon on my team that isn't surprising. The reason- He doesn't need to be. After all, this set is effective against anything (barring taunt). Since lots of taunt users are dark, Yanmega can KO with Bug Buzz. However, Yanmega must go for a better anti-lead.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Modest
Ability: Flash Fire
EV: 252 Atk/252 Spe/6 HP
-Flamethrower
-Dragon Pulse
-Earth Power
-Overheat

This is your basic revenge killer with a twist. Heatran almost always runs Timid, not Modest. You would think that smart person would want speed over attack. However, this is not heatrans sole pourpose. As you can probably imagine, I am not the only person with a heatran on the team. First of all, you must understand one of my teams combos-Heatran and Latias. The two covers eachothers weaknesses and Latias just so happens to carry the move T-wave. This Heatran is faster than anything if its opponent is paralyzed (except a max speed ninjask maybe). That being said this Heatran can go homocidal and kill other Heatran. Latias and Heatran work great together. This thing can also work as a back up sweeper and does a great job of finishing a weakened team or weakening a team with its STAB overheats since the opponent will probably think I have explosion instead. The other two attacks are for coverage.

Latias @ Leftovers
Sassy
Ability:Levitate
EV: 252 HP/252 Sp.Def/6 Def
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Recover
-Thunder Wave

Latias is the second part of my combo. It works well since the opponent will think that Latias is running reflect or HPfire in the final slot. Latias can easily wall Heatran, so it can get in a T-wave which pracically makes it useless. If the opponent wants to sacrafice heatran with explosion thats fine with me. It leaves my Heatran completely open to use its most powerful attacks. I just have to worry about physical dragons and things of that nature. Speaking of nature I'm sure some of the more observant fellows noticed the sassy nature. I have no excuse for that other than-Its the one I caught in Emerald and its the one I'm going to have to work with. I can't redo a Latias and I can't go to an event to get one. That aside I'm sure most of you are wondering, "WHERES BLISSEY? Its like the best special wall out there." And ya know what it probably is. However, I dont give a cow's nostril for something as common as Blissey. Every single team prepares for one so I just like to waste thier efforts. This Latias is just as good as a bold one after a CM, and just as good as a calm one after 2. There are only 2 differences-defence and typing. Both of which are in my favour.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish
Ability: Sand Veil
EV: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Roost
-Stealth Rock

This is the SRer of my team. Its also a wonderful physical wall. This works out with Latias. If one of them dies I will use Heatran as a back up wall because of its solid defences. Anyway back to Gliscor. It may look like it but its not your average Gliscor. If you will notice, the EVs are not matched up to beat out Lucario. The reason for this is because those gliscors have become too common now. If the opponent should have Lucario, he will expect this gliscor to be better than it. He won't know this gliscor is like this until its too late. Should he have lucario and find out, I will probably just catch it on the switch with EQ and switch out to heatran after (with ice punch doing almost nothing on Heatran). After all the set is a physical wall not a Lucario counter. I am open to getting rid of Rock Slide if anyone thinks that something else should go there.

Gyarados @ Wacan Berry
Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EV: 252 Atk/252 Spe/6 HP
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

A Gyarados as common as this is easy to figure out, right? WRONG! Look at Gyarados's item, the wacan berry. The standard Gyarados packs Life Orb or Lefties. This Gyarados sets up much differently. The idea is to bring this gyarados into play after one of my pokemon has fainted or if I can find a free turn. It also helps if it is something that won't bother me, like a Flygon locked into and EQ. When he is about to switch his jolteon starts to look pretty good so he goes with that. I DD on the switch. Then he thinks he is going to be faster than my by just a hair. So he T-bolts me. HAHA I have a Wacan Berry. The turn He T-Bolted me I DDed also. Now he is going to be freaked. He'll probably panic and switch out to his physical wall Gliscor. But wait I waterfalled, and killed Gliscor. Now I have a 2 DDed Gyarados to sweep the opponents team without having any physical walls to get in my way. Muahahahahah!!!! Aside from that, this thing functions just like any other gyarados.

Salamence @ Life Orb
Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EV: 252 Spe/252 Atk/6 HP
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

Well you couldv'e tried to find it before you read this but there is nothing surprising about this Salamence. It's completely ordinary. Just an average DD Salamence. The only thing I have to justify it by is the fact that salamence is very versatile. Knock off ruins this though, because you can tell the kind of Salamenc it is by its item. Aside from Yanmega, this is another team member that I am open to replacing (Not that I wont take sugestions with anything else). I will admit this thing has been useful in the past. If my opponent catches on to my team, then I can play mind games with him. After all, he will probably think this is an unordinary salamence. As far as the moveset goes, dragon dance and Dragon claw are obvious and the other two attacks are for coverage.

 

[VKCA]

with latias you might want to lose some of the sp.def evs as he is using calm mind to boost that. As for salamence the extra boost in power from outrage generally makes it better than dragon claw, unless your extremely opposed to being locked into it. Also it would be a good idea to run a fire attack over stone edge, because right now bronzong walls the whole set

It works espcially well on people who expect standard pokemon.

This is a team of standard pokemon, so why would people do poorly if they are expecting standard pokemon?

 

[Bloo]

For starters, I'd like to look at your Yanmega. As of now, its EV spread, moveset, and item aren't really the best they could be. I just suggest you go with a set less easily parishable. Since Yanmega is actually quite bulky on the physcial side, and with a small bit of investment it can take many physical hits, change the EV spread to 104 Def, 252 SpA, 152 Spe. With this spread, after 1 speed boost you will be faster than base 130s (Aerodactyl, Jolteon), and after 2 you will be outspeeding Timid Scarf Gengar. The Defense EVs allow Yanmega to survive a +2 LO Extremespeed from Lucario and make Scizor's Bullet Punches a 3HKO on average. You don't need to run max Speed on Yanmega with Protect, so that is the EV spread that Yanmega is better off using for the reasons I mentioned above. The Speed boost provided is heartily enough to outspeed the whole metagame even without any EVs. Anyway, the max Special Attack allow Yanmega to pack a huge punch. Go for HP Ground over Hypnosis in the third slot as it will give the best coverage overall and Hypnosis is also unreliable due to the 60% accuracy. Yanmega is a frail user of Hypnosis even with the Defensive EV's and Yanmega cannot afford to miss. HP Ground allows you to hit Pokemon such as Heatran and Magnezone who wall the current set you are using. You will outspeed Choice Scarfed Heatran after a Speed Boost as well.

I would change your Salamence from a DD version into MixMence. You currently have over half a team of late game sweepers - Heatran, Calm Mind Latias, DD Gyarados, DD Salamence. Salamence will be far more effective in weakening walls mid game and letting the other sweepers on your team sweep, than trying to do so itself. MixMence is one of the best wallbreakers in the game, and that is really exactly what your team needs right now to let your other sweepers be a threat in the late game. It will weaken Pokemon such as Vaporeon with Draco Meteor, making it easier for your Gyarados to kill off said Vaporeon since you will still lose against Vaporeon even with Wacan Berry. If it is weakened, it will be much easier to kill. So on Salamence, I suggest using Life Orb, Naive, 16 Atk / 240 SpA / 252 Spe, Draco Meteor, Fire Blast, Earthquake, Outrage. Using a +Speed nature and max Speed EVs means you will tie at worst with opposing Zapdos and Salamence, and will more often than not outspeed them. Outrage 2HKOes Blissey, while Draco Meteor is very helpful in getting big hits on the aforementioned Zapdos and bulky Water-types MixMence is excellent at luring in and taking out things that could stop a potential late game sweep from Gyarados or Heatran. Draco Meteor does excellent damage, nearly OHKOing Zapdos and Swampert. Fire Blast rids you of Celebi, Bronzong and other steels. Earthquake for Heatran in particular, as well as giving you a reliable way to take out Lucario and Tyranitar.

On Heatran, you might want to consider running a beneficial Speed nature, even though it is not absolutely necessary. However, it allows you to revenge kill Adamant Gyarados even after a Dragon Dance, Adamant Heracross with a Choice Scarf, and all the base 130 Speed Pokemon that roam around. Additionally, given the popularity of Heatran, it is not a bad idea to tie with opposing Heatran should your opponent happen to have on as well. Lastly, do you really need both Overheat and Flamethrower on Heatran? You can replace Overheat with Explosion instead. Explosion will allow Heatran to get rid of Blissey, and various other Bulky Waters that like switching into Heatran such as Swampert, Vaporeon, etc. Having two Fire attacks is a bit redundant since Flamethrower alone should suffice. If you do decide to use Explosion, I suggest using a Naive Nature on Heatran. Naive will not lower Explosion's power while still giving you a beneficial Speed nature.

 

[haunter]

Seriously, sassy Latias??? Latias wants a timid nature and max speed (to tie with other base 110 with a +speed nature), use this set:

Latias@leftovers
nature: timid
EVs: 148 hp / 108 sp.atk / 252 spe
-dragon pulse
-calm mind
-recover
-surf

surf still takes care of Heatran but also gives near perfect neutral coverage with dragon pulse, not to mention that most switch into Latias are slow pokemon like Blissey or TTar which don't really care being paralyzed.
I realize that it may be hard to get a timid Latias for a WiFi team, but I suggest you, at least, to try. Visit the WiFi section, there are some good redistributable Latias there.

 

[november1093]

I like your idea with salamence, Bloo. I know I'm going to do that.

 

[TotalPotato]

I'm not much of a team rater, but I just thought I'd point out that a Thunderbolt from a Timid Jolteon with 252 Sp. Atk EVs does 83.13-98.19% to your Gyarados, which is always enough to OHKO after Stealth Rock (this is without Choice Specs - a Choice Specs version will always OHKO even without Stealth Rock).

 

[YTP]

LO Starmie rips this team a new one. BoltBeam basically KOs everything except Heatran who is destroyed by a surf. Snorlax could work over Salamence. Working well with Gliscor and Latias by fixing your Ice and Fire weak. It destroys Zapdos and Starmie and it can also pose a decent threat to stall teams which you lack.

 

[animenagai]

Don't have time for a full rate atm, but I'm pretty sure a specs jolt will KO gyara anyways with t-bolt.

 

[SmokingBomber465]

I'm not sure that making all your EV spreads 252/252/4 qualifies as a surprise.

Flamethrower and Overheat on Heatran seems redundant, but PP issues make it acceptable I guess. I would personally switch one of your moves to HP Ice.