Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

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The2009Zapdos said:
Trap Sweeping
Roaring Moon can do it, so can its friends. Iron Moth, Dragonite, the Ruin mons, hell even Skeledirge all have a trapping move that they can use to facilitate a sweep. Note they also have a healing move as a bonus so they can maintain the sweep. Only problems being switch moves. But anyone can identify and act accordingly when playing pokemon, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

I'll find some more as time goes on. I'll keep looking deeper into strats to find success. And with that being said, goodbye.
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Funny how this happens after this goes up: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1756699290 all it took was some disccusion and a RMT.

I may have accidentally solved the meta. Now, I'm hearing word of Fire Spin Dragonite's, Block Garganacl and Sand Tomb trappers. I mean, it makes sense. the most logical thing to do in a meta like this is isolate the threat leading to victory. To be fair, this may have been a meta thing (so don't quote me on it). But I feel like this will either be forgotten, or be the Futureport of gen 9 a.k.a the meta definer after Smogon Premier League


ALSO
1LDK said:
Looking at the recent conversations, the guys were accidentally forming a team out of random sets 1 at a time
you have :Froslass: :Gholdengo: :Ting Lu: :Great Tusk:
to add to the random sets, i have been theoryzing a move for rotoms that seems neat

Rotom-Wash @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 168 SpD / 88 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Eerie Impulse

Eerie Impulse reduces the Spa of the enemy by 2, combined with WoW, you can have a good amount of fun ruining both sides of the spectrum, sure, you cant touch gholdengo with this, and Nasty Plot gives a 1 time dopamine boost, i have even starting to see Choice Scarf trick and protect, but idk, this is bullshit but of the fun kind (also you can do this with the rest of the rotoms, wash was just the one i had at hand)
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I think this team is pretty funny. :froslass: :gholdengo: :ting-lu: :great tusk: :rotom-wash: can't wait to see what the bois add to finish it. After I will make this into a team paste

And with that being said, goodbye.

EDIT: This is the team so far https://pokepast.es/8122a0598b3b57a3
 
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The2009Zapdos said:
Funny how this happens after this goes up: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1756699290 all it took was some disccusion and a RMT.

I may have accidentally solved the meta. Now, I'm hearing word of Fire Spin Dragonite's, Block Garganacl and Sand Tomb trappers. I mean, it makes sense. the most logical thing to do in a meta like this is isolate the threat leading to victory. To be fair, this may have been a meta thing (so don't quote me on it). But I feel like this will either be forgotten, or be the Futureport of gen 9 a.k.a the meta definer after Smogon Premier League


ALSO

I think this team is pretty funny. :froslass: :gholdengo: :ting-lu: :great tusk: :rotom-wash: can't wait to see what the bois add to finish it. After I will make this into a team paste

And with that being said, goodbye.

EDIT: This is the team so far https://pokepast.es/8122a0598b3b57a3
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I've seen Fire Spin Dragonite on the ladder, and I don't remember how exactly the set looks but it lures my Corviknight thinking it doesn't have Fire Punch and probably has roost. So anyway it ends up Fire Spinning me I get trapped and then I get encored on Defog and my Corviknight dies a tragic death.


edit: That Chomp set is sick AF.
 
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One discussion I'm interested about is, what new mon (in this gen & previous) do you think would be considered the most underrated from initial impressions. For example: Annihlape was initially cast off as an RU rocker suicide lead with a Niche in OU as the best user of Final Gambit, before it was fully realized as the top-tier stall crusher it became today. Another mention goes to tauros Paldea, which was seen as a worse version of tauros, before it gained a solid niche as a physically defensive pivot. Basically, what Mon was the most misjudged based on initial impressions?
 
Vall said:
One discussion I'm interested about is, what new mon (in this gen & previous) do you think would be considered the most underrated from initial impressions. For example: Annihlape was initially cast off as an RU rocker suicide lead with a Niche in OU as the best user of Final Gambit, before it was fully realized as the top-tier stall crusher it became today. Another mention goes to tauros Paldea, which was seen as a worse version of tauros, before it gained a solid niche as a physically defensive pivot. Basically, what Mon was the most misjudged based on initial impressions?
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- Revival Blessing was hyped to be some stupid uncompetitive thing, but after trying it myself and seeing OU & Draft replays it turned out to be just mid honestly and there's no urgency to ban this shit.

- Some initially thought Tinkaton would be some ZU garbage after seeing that 75 Base Attack, but it has been the glue that sticks UU Alpha together alongside Grafaiai and i can totally see it being relevant in whatever lower Tier above ZU post Home & DLC.

- Skeledirge was initially expected to be a underwhelming pokemon from what i saw, but it turned out it's one of the best defensive Tera users in the game and Torch Song is also just a really cool move.

- People thought Toxapex would be completely dead without Scald & Knock Off + Recover nerf, but it's still decent enough as a defensive mon while not being the seemingly imprenetable wall it once was. Same thing with Blissey really, though it may drop further post Chi-Yu ban like Tyranitar.

- Floatzel in rain has been a really nice surprise that is probably undervalued in the VR thread currently, it's easily the biggest winner from gaining that new move Wave Crash that turns into a obscene nuke in rain with Water Tera.

None of them compare to the initial misjudgment of Annihilape tho obviously.
 
AndViet said:
I've seen Fire Spin Dragonite on the ladder, and I don't remember how exactly the set looks but it lures my Corviknight thinking it doesn't have Fire Punch and probably has roost. So anyway it ends up Fire Spinning me I get trapped and then I get encored on Defog and my Corviknight dies a tragic death.


edit: That Chomp set is sick AF.
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I've been seeing that thing several times over my 5 suspect test runs so far. It's actually kind of infuriating when it works. Typically I've seen this

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: probably Multiscale
Tera Type: ???
Who knows on EVs and nature, I was too angry to figure em' out
- Fire Spin
- Encore
- Roost
- Ice Beam / anything else, IDK

It's maddening because - at least on the teams I run - it just tickles something to death over several turns, runs out of Roosts, and dies to the next thing. But forcing a 5 vs 5.5 is sorta neat. But the number of times I've seen this thing even on the 1600s+ part of the ladder was crazy to me. I think part of its appeal is that it traps normal checks to E-Killer Dragonite so something else Dragonite-like on your team can rampage.
 
Seth Vilo said:
I've been seeing that thing several times over my 5 suspect test runs so far. It's actually kind of infuriating when it works. Typically I've seen this

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: probably Multiscale
Tera Type: ???
Who knows on EVs and nature, I was too angry to figure em' out
- Fire Spin
- Encore
- Roost
- Ice Beam / anything else, IDK

It's maddening because - at least on the teams I run - it just tickles something to death over several turns, runs out of Roosts, and dies to the next thing. But forcing a 5 vs 5.5 is sorta neat. But the number of times I've seen this thing even on the 1600s+ part of the ladder was crazy to me. I think part of its appeal is that it traps normal checks to E-Killer Dragonite so something else Dragonite-like on your team can rampage.
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This is a set I found: The EVs allow it to outspeed Adamant Breloom
:dragonite:
Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 164 SpD / 92 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Fire Spin
- Encore
 
I plugged ID/BP Iron Hands a while ago, but it was, like, an hour before the first Finch/Mudkipnerd set and got immediately buried, so I want to put it on y'alls radar again because it's seriously stupid good. Hopefully there's enough time before the rematch this evening for people to actually see it.

Iron Hands @ Leftovers
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Thunder Punch
- Whirlwind

Can also run Tera Steel to help with Fairy/Psychic types and gain a Toxic immunity or Tera Fire to also help with Fairies and gain a Burn immunity, but Flying is the most likely to create a free setup opportunity (ban tera?).

Whirlwind lets you ID alongside physical setup sweepers before phasing them out or just wrack up hazard damage against predicted switch-ins. If you're not running it with hazards, you could swap this for Heavy Slam or even Drain Punch to supplement your longevity.

252 SpD investment instead of pouring points into HP because the payoff in special bulk is so much higher, letting it comfortably tank things like: LO 'Pult Draco Meteors and Psychic or (non-sun, non-tera) Overheat from Scarf Chi-Yu (technically, even Specs Chi-Yu Psychic is a roll).

Some more replays:
Finds an opening to clean up Dragonite, Great Tusk, Garchomp, Scizor, and a fellow Iron Hands after they've mostly eaten some chip.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1757064176

Comfortably eats a Headlong Rush to clean up after Scarf Flamigo on the Fighting Spam team I'm iterating on:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1755480147-v49e5hlofhohehw635zhgm63dbtdfj4pw

Cleans the last four mons on a Rain team after a bold prediction gets Scarf Hydreigon out of the way:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1755446195-2okx66skmboby84u9ghqp5u5twsfdftpw

On the trapping front, here's a meme-y set I annoyed people with to no end in the early days of Sw/Sh, though I haven't tried it yet in S/V:
Dragapult @ Leftovers
Ability: Cursed Body
Tera Type: ???
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Serious Nature
- Infestation
- Will-O-Wisp
- Phantom Force
- Substitute

If anybody wants to give it a shot, feel free. Similar to the Sub+DD+Infestation+Phantom Force set from a replay a while back, but uses Wisp to increase the chip and benefit the team instead of creating setup opportunities for itself against specific lures (Garganacl in that case). Maybe it can piss off some people laddering for last minute reqs?
 
AndViet said:
This is a set I found: The EVs allow it to outspeed Adamant Breloom
:dragonite:
Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 164 SpD / 92 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Fire Spin
- Encore
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Gen 1 called, they want their Dragonite back.

In the interest of not just making this a wacky one-liner, how about Garganacl? Admittedly I've been splitting time between OU and BSS because tera meta is chaos anyway and is thus great fun in 3v3s, but I swear every time I see this thing in either format it's got something slightly different going on. Definitely a big benefactor of terastalization letting it flip its defensive matchups on their heads and Salt Cure is so good.
 
carbonlifeform said:
I plugged ID/BP Iron Hands a while ago, but it was, like, an hour before the first Finch/Mudkipnerd set and got immediately buried, so I want to put it on y'alls radar again because it's seriously stupid good. Hopefully there's enough time before the rematch this evening for people to actually see it.

Iron Hands @ Leftovers
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Thunder Punch
- Whirlwind
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carbonlifeform, you my friend just finished the OU Forum Team.
https://pokepast.es/98796c476347d6eb <- for 1LDK and anyone else that wants to try the forum created team. If you wanna tweak it, do it. But we's keeping the Froslass, Rotom and Gholdengo
 
Okay so I faced a very odd team that had the most unusual suicide lead I have ever seen in Destiny Bond Houndoom (I think the item was Focus Sash). Who in the wrld thinks that Houndoom is a good suicide lead? And who even uses Houndoom in OU? Also the team had a Destiny Bond Gengar, which is not a set you'd expect to appear on Gengar in the first place
 
The2009Zapdos said:
carbonlifeform, you my friend just finished the OU Forum Team.
https://pokepast.es/98796c476347d6eb <- for 1LDK and anyone else that wants to try the forum created team. If you wanna tweak it, do it. But we's keeping the Froslass, Rotom and Gholdengo
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bro, literally Suicide Lead HO and the rest if Bulky offense, with no hazard control and 3 grass weak pokemon
im gonna rate it a SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH/10

changing topics, i know great tusk is in everywhere, but i wanna ask about how havr you all been running Iron Threads, im not familiar with the mon so i wanna know what do you all like running and stuff
 
MasterPlayer said:
Okay so I faced a very odd team that had the most unusual suicide lead I have ever seen in Destiny Bond Houndoom (I think the item was Focus Sash). Who in the wrld thinks that Houndoom is a good suicide lead? And who even uses Houndoom in OU? Also the team had a Destiny Bond Gengar, which is not a set you'd expect to appear on Gengar in the first place
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DBond Gengar is far from unreasonable, infact i think it was mentioned in this very thread at least once.
Houndoom has a tiny miniscule niche as a half okay chi-yu stopgap but that set's kinda wacky.
 
Makes me wonder if Chi-Yu will ever get suspect tested after the current suspect test on Tera is over, because nothing is safe switching agaisnt Chi-Yu at all unless you're Blissey or Clodsire
 
Also Tera Electric Orthworm is basically Eelektross 2.0 with Earth Eater because you have no weaknesses whatsoever and your supposed weakness heals you instead of doing no damage. Plus Orthworm has decent defensive utility + access to Shed Tail
 
I don't think I've seen any mentions of Ttar recently. The most unexpected thing would be the always-OU Tyranitar dropping to UU, which I don't think would be likely to happen because then it would probably be instantly quickbanned to UUBL
 
MasterPlayer said:
I don't think I've seen any mentions of Ttar recently. The most unexpected thing would be the always-OU Tyranitar dropping to UU, which I don't think would be likely to happen because then it would probably be instantly quickbanned to UUBL
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Pikalytics currently has Ttar at 2.77%, so it's actually looking pretty likely that Ttar will drop to UU on Saturday. That'll shake UU up a lot.

Uh oh. Looks like Toxapex is at 4.31% as well, which I think is just below cut off. Not really looking forward to that one dropping tbh.
 
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