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Tangrowth team.

toy

Salamence (F) @ Adherence Glasses
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 104 HP / 152 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Meteoric Swarm
- Hydro Pump
- Dragon Pulse

Tangrowth (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Sunny Day
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Power Whip
- Earthquake

Best fucking pokemon ever.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Whirlwind
- Spikes
- Protect

Whats better spikes or SR?

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 148 Def / 120 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Wish

Um Pz / togekiss counter. Lols at both and magnezone kinda.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 192 Def / 76 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Cressilia (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Reflect
- Ice Beam
- Charge Beam
- Moon Light

Chomp / Gyara.
 
I wouldn't prefer to make Tangrowth a mixed sweeper, unless that was proven to work. I still am so-so about Meteoric Swarm and Dragon Pulse being placed in one set together, but it seems to be popular.
 
Very solid team, but Jirachi IS NOT a PorygonZ counter.

Oh, and beware of Manaphy.

I loved to see Tangrowth in here.
I still am so-so about Meteoric Swarm and Dragon Pulse being placed in one set together, but it seems to be popular.
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They serve as different purposes. The Meteors can seriously dent things like Cresselia (yeah, I owned a Cresselia with this), and Dragon Pulse is meant to take on the remains
 
IcyShock said:
I wouldn't prefer to make Tangrowth a mixed sweeper, unless that was proven to work. I still am so-so about Meteoric Swarm and Dragon Pulse being placed in one set together, but it seems to be popular.
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I don't mind pasting this whenever I get the chance, because people have every right to question having two damage-dealing moves of the same type on one pokemon.

"imo Special HP Flying on Salamence doesn't hit things hard enough to make it worthwhile over Dragon Pulse, considering that, even SE, it does the same amount of damage as Meteoric Swarm does (70 × 1.5 × 2 = 210 vs 140 × 1.5 = 210). ~*$For Some Numbers$*~:

Even against the 4×weak Heracross, even a 336 HP Heracross (min HP is 301 which is probably standard), Meteoric Swarm does, minimum, 104% to its 226 SpD (and FT does min 95% to the same 336HP Hera, does min 106% to 301 HP). Breloom takes 125-147% from DP, 176-207% from FT, 194-228% from MS, and even 55-65% from Hydro Pump, which only matters because I wouldn't use Pump on a Breloom that's already out but this illustrates that Breloom cannot switch it to even Sala's weakest Attack since it does over 53% whatever I'm just typing now because I love words and numbers and salamence and dont mind me"

For further insight as to why not to deviate from my proposed set, please read this, I spent a lot of time working up the numbers and the explanation:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=362965

This will ultimately be in our Salamence strategy writeup so people have easy access to it.
 
To actually rate this team, Toy, I can't deny that you have some pretty good ideas when it comes to team building, but CB Tyranitar will destroy you. Your Jirachi is slower and takes 44-51% from Crunch, your Tangrowth is slower and takes 54-63% from Crunch, your Slowbro is slower and takes 76-90% from Crunch, your Cresselia is slower and takes 64-76% from Crunch, and I wouldn't exactly switch Salamence or Skarmory into a Tyranitar any day of the week, personally. You're probably going to have to swap one or two pokes out because there's just no way you're beating it.

I actually wouldn't lead with CG Mence, either, since Gengar's expected to be a popular lead and even Swampert (judging from what Seph and Jibaku have said about Wifi play), and OHKOing swampert with Meteoric Swarm isn't a sure thing at all (91-106% to 401HP/216SpD).
 
I dont really see what counters CBtar. With spieks down it 2ko or Ohkos everything. I was thinking Hp Fire on Tangrowth because with 1 layer of spikes down Power Whip ohkos Gachomp. It wont be ohkoing mence either.
 
Rhyperior, Hippowdon, Donphan, and Swampert are the main Tyranitar counters. Steelix works well too but Steelix is kinda gay. :]
 
Using Tangrowth as an all-out sweeper definitely deviates from my preferred use for him, but it might work out great. Even with the poer boost, though, Life Orb on a Pokemon with such great defensive capabilities seems like a waste, since you can't do shit to a simple Skarmory (and Salamence will always have at least one Special attack to crea you with, HPIce super-prediction aside). At least Leftovers recovery allows him the staying power to 2KO some things or to take on HPGrass Raikou. Not to mention to avoid getting owned by Sand Stream.

He's an outstanding counter to a lot of the more pesky standards, but outside of a tankish or supportive role I don't see him performing well. Kinda like how trying to sweep with Exeggutor outside of Ubers is kinda lame. Well, Tangrowth has a whole hell of a lot in common with Exeggutor.

I like this team a lot, though. I think Grass Rope or Energy Ball would do way better on Cresselia than Charge Beam. I think that's some good advice.

I'm not too sure about this, but you might want to just lead with Cresselia. Gengar might be scary, but then, there aren't really any "counters" to Gengar with a movepool like his. Best you're gonna get is getting something with CB Pursuit in and not screwed by status or whatever.
 
him being a counter to alot lets him switch in alot aswell. that base def lets him switch into so much.
 
Yes, but without a lot of HP EVs he can't switch into Tyra. Tyra's Stone Edge still hurts like a mofo and (iirc) has a 50% chance to 2KO with my EVs (240HP, 192Def). Granted, my Tangrowth only had the remainder in attack (76, I think?) because it allows it to destroy Gyarados, but I haven't calculated for how much max+ Power Whip would fare against Tyra. EVEN SO, Tyra won't switch into Tangrowth normally because of the 2KO, but without a lot more HP Tangrowth can't hope to switch in, either.

I'd say neither of our EV spreads allow Tangrowth to live up to full potential, but both are close to accomplishing something. We both used +attack natures, but maybe there's better. FYI, my Tangrowth is walled by most Flying and Grass Pokemon, but he can take HPGrass Raikou head-on with Adamant.

Gah. Pokemon requires so much forethought.
 
People dont realize how this thing is just pure amazing.

First what it ohkos.

Gachomp [Power Whip]
Tyranitar [Power Whip]
Manphy [Power Whip]
Electivire [Earthquake]
Magnezone [Earthquake]
PorygonZ [Power Whip]
Infernape [Earthquake]
Raikou [Earthquake]
Swampert [Power Whip]
Heatran [Earthquake]

Now 2kos

Gyarados [Power Whip]
Blissey [Power Whip] Almost OHKOSs
Slowbro [Power Whip] Almost OHKOSs
Skarmory [Hidden Power [Fire]
Rhyperior [Power Whip]
Heracross [Hidden Power [Fire] Almost OHKOSs

anything with almost OHKOs next to it get OHKOd with spikes down.

this thing is amazing.

I love D/P.
 
First what it ohkos.

Gachomp [Power Whip]
Tyranitar [Power Whip]
Manphy [Power Whip]
Electivire [Earthquake]
Magnezone [Earthquake]
PorygonZ [Power Whip]
Infernape [Earthquake]
Raikou [Earthquake]
Swampert [Power Whip]
Heatran [Earthquake]

Now 2kos

Gyarados [Power Whip]
Blissey [Power Whip] Almost OHKOSs
Slowbro [Power Whip] Almost OHKOSs
Skarmory [Hidden Power [Fire]
Rhyperior [Power Whip]
Heracross [Hidden Power [Fire] Almost OHKOSs

anything with almost OHKOs next to it get OHKOd with spikes down.

this thing is amazing.
Toy said:
People dont realize how this thing is just pure amazing.
I am taking full credit for this MS and making this pokemon known.

I love D/P.
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oh give me a break, the game isnt out yet that is the most preemptive self-adulation i've ever seen lol. it's strong but very slow and, the way you've EVed it, not durable enough to switch into anything. I may be wrong, but there's no way you can predict that this will be a threat yet, that's just silly
 
I may be wrong, but there's no way you can predict that this will be a threat yet, that's just silly
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"In a seemingly unpredicted shift of fate in the world of one competitive gaming community, a certain character named Tangrowth became the number one offensive choice that every team must counter. Credit goes entirely to one gamer with the handle 'Toy.'"

Oh. I know. Im just excited. For somthing new.
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Hell yeah.
 
I just told you what that thing can do, it could be good or shit, as of now if it can get a sunny day up it can sweep.
 
Then the most obvious weak is a T-tar, Hippo, Abomanasnow, Raindancer, Hailer, Trick Room team, and things that are faster than you after Chlorophyll anyway (which is a few things).

The second weak is the (self-imposed) lame Special Defense. You can expect the thing to drop from unaimed Ice Beams and the like, probably even unaimed Surfs and Tbolts too. Don't rely on it for a switch-in to anything. And definitely don't rely on it to Sunny Day up while there is a SE special move coming your way.
 
Toy said:
I just told you what that thing can do, it could be good or shit, as of now if it can get a sunny day up it can sweep.
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If it gets a Sunny Day up, Cresselia proceeds to 100% counter it as Tangrowth can't do shit to it besides let Cresselia recover 100% with moonlight in Sunny Day.

426 attack vs. 339 defense (max yet not max+), 180 power, times 1.000000: 163 - 192
426 attack vs. 276 defense (min yet not min-) 180 power, times 1.000000: 199 - 235

The max defense will obviously do nothing, but even the min defense Cresselia is not a 2HKO most of the time as long as HP is maxed, and I'm not sure why you would ever run minimum defense Cresselia.

Tangrowth is good, but it's not god. There's no reason any of those pokemon would stay in on it when there's such an easy switch to something that counters it so completely and easily, and can heal full while doing it. Speaking of which, you have no way to get past Cresselia on your team.
 
In Advance it's 66%. It's been tested in 386.

"goes off to test Moonlight"
Test result: 66%
 
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