Team INVINCIBLE (OU RMT)

FelGrand

FelGrand

This is my current team and it has actually got me up the ladder when I had fallen. This is also my first RMT so I hope you all will go easy on me. For starters, the team is offense orientated, so there aren't any bulky walls.


The team is also 5/6 immune to toxic spikes, 4/6 to spikes and only 2 pokemon takes 25% damage from stealth rock. With all's that done, let's get onto the team.

At a glance...









Team building process...


At first, I was thinking of a lead which can deal damage to opposing leads and set Stealth Rock up. I looked through the OU pokemon and got these as my options; Azelf, Bronzong and Metagross. I didn't want Bronzong as Gyro Ball doesn't seem to do much and it does not have enough ATK stat to OHKO most pokemon in OU, leaving Azelf and Metagross. I then, chose the latter, because it had more ATK and is bulky enough to take some hits on the switch.




Next thing I wanted was to block Fire and Ground type moves. The only pokemon that came into my mind was Gyarados, I didn't bother to think much, so Gyarados it was.




Electric types! That was my concern about Gyarados since Metagross can block Rock type attacks, so I thought of Ground types. I searched the OU tier once again. Let's see...Flygon, Gliscor, Hippowdon, Mamoswine and Swampert. Apparently, none of them can effectively ensure kills and I ain't looking for walls. So, Jolteon and Electivire. "Yeah, whatever...", I thought. Jolteon is weak and Electivire has Motor Drive. Triggering it can outspeed any pokemon in OU (barring the rare and weak Ninjask). And having Electivire can really threaten any team without scarfers, ghost, psychic and poison (not in OU though) types. Also, CB Scizor does a 3HKO on it (assuming full health) with Bullet Punch, making it a great choice. So, Electivire it is.




All of type coverage that's done, I step up on another special attacker. Latias was the choice out of all of them. it also can absorb special attacks from the Scarfmie my 3 pokemon above hates.




Now, I started thinking for Latias. Bug, Dark and Ghost types was a concern. I thought of Heatran, since it can wall them with it's typing and it's 106 base DEF and Sp.DEF comes in handy. it also doubles up as a Fire absorber and boosts it's Fire Blast after that. Electivire also hates Rotom-A, and Rotom-h is mostly used of all Rotom-A. Backing up Metagross and Electivire if Gyarados faints, Heatran is my best choice.




Lastly, late-game finisher. Salamence...is the best after all. Having it's STAB Dragon type attack only walled by Steel types and Earthquake and Fire Blast to back it up, Salamence is a monster in late as physical walls would have been weakened. With SR up, dealing even 6.25% would be a help to sweeping a team. Salamence was put up and my team is finally complete.





Movesets and items for the team.




Metagross @ Occa Berry
Nature: Adamant (+ ATK, - Sp.ATK)
Ability: Clear Body
EV Spread: 252 HP, 232 ATK, 16 DEF, 8 SPD

Moves:
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Bullet Punch
Explosion


Choosing Earthquake over Meteor Mash has been a big help due to Heatran and Infernape leads as most will Fire Blast me. I either set Stealth Rock up and switch to Heatran and absorb it OR switch to Gyarados immediately and try to finish it. Explosion's good as it almost OHKO everything in OU that doesn't resist it.

Weak against:
Ground, Fire

Switches for:
Fire (Gyarados, Latias, Heatran (best switch), Salamence)
Ground (Gyarados (best switch), Latias, Heatran, Salamence)





Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EV Spread: 4 HP, 252 ATK, 252 SPD

Moves:
Dragon Dance
Bounce
Waterfall
Stone Edge


Bounce? BOUNCE?? People laugh at Bounce but I use it to counter opposing Celebi and avoid Explosion (read panamaxis's offense team for more detail about his set since the moveset is his). Waterfall for STAB and Stone Edge for Flying types. Pretty much sums it up huh?


Weak against:
Rock, Electric

Switches for:
Rock (Metagross)
Electric (Electivire (best switch), Latias)




Electivire @ Expert Belt
Nature: Mild
Ability: Motor Drive
EV Spread: 36 ATK, 252 Sp.ATK, 220 SPD

Moveset:
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (Ice) IV Spread: 31/30/30/31/31/31
Cross Chop


Hey, hey. It's Electivire. Helping Gyarados and itself by absorbing Electric attacks to boost it's speed and with it's movepool, even Tyranitar and Scizor will be OHKOed. Thunderbolt is for it's STAB if Ghost/Poison/Psychic comes up and HP Ice is for the Dragon types. If there's any problem, he can switched out, leaving the presence of the Gyarados-Electivire combo, intimidating your opponent as he constantly think if I'll switch or attack when my Gyarados is out.


Weak against:
Ground and only Ground.

Switches for:
Ground (Gyarados, Latias, Salamence)




Latias @ Choice Specs
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EV Spread: 4 HP, 252 Sp.ATK, 252 SPD

Moveset:
Draco Meteor
Surf
Thunderbolt
Trick


Without setting up for high damage and having Blissey a constant annoyance, holding Choice Specs helps the team a lot as I can Trick the Specs out when I have difficulties against the obvious Blissey and some ResTalk users. Surf does plenty to Ground types and Thunderbolt for Gyarados as it can take a +1 ATK Stone Edge from Gyarados as most Gyarados don't hold Ice Fang.


Weak against:
Bug, Dark, Ghost, Ice

Switches for:
Bug, Dark, Ghost (Heatran)
Ice (Metagross, Heatran(best switch))



Heatran @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Flash Fire
EV Spread: 4 HP, 252 Sp.ATK, 252 SPD

Moveset:
Fire Blast
Earth Power
Substitute
Toxic/Explosion


With people expecting a scarfed Heatran, substitute actually helps as when they switch, substitute will be set up and after doing so, even if my opponent switches to a Heatran as they expect Fire Blast, substitute will be set-up that even a speed-tie lose does not matter with Earth Power. I use Toxic because Hippowdon sometimes really irritates me with Stockpile and Roar. Explosion is an option to bring down a problematic pokemon but remember, if you use Explosion, you can't use it to block Rotom's WoW and opposing fire attacks. Overall, Toxic is still the better choice if you look at the bigger picture, since Fire Blast and Earth Power scares of Steel types.


Weak against:
Ground, Water, Fighting

Switches for:
Ground (Gyarados, Latias, Salamence)
Water (Gyarados, Latias (best switch), Salamence)
Fighting (Gyarados (best switch in mid-game), Latias,
Salamence (best switch in late-game))




Salamence @ Life Orb
Nature: Naughty
Ability: Intimidate
EV Spread: 232 ATK, 24 Sp.ATK, 252 SPD

Moveset:
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Blast


Ah, Salamence, my favourite sweeper. I didn't chose it just because it's my favourite though. Having "Intimidate" to drop the ATK scares off physical attacks who lack Ice, Rock, Dragon attacks can force swtches and that's when Dragon Dance boost it's ATK stat to 600. Quite the stat huh? I chose Dragon Claw since I get Dragon Dance in easily and it would be the same as an unboosted Outrage. Moreover, getting locked into Outrage and having confusion after 2-3 turns of Outrage is very bad for a late game finisher. So, Versatility > Power. And Earthquake with Fire Blast kills Steel types which is the only type to block Dragon type attacks, making sweeping easy.


Weak against (if somehow forced to come out early e.g. Roar):
Ice, Rock, Dragon

Switches for:
Ice, Dragon (Metagross, Heatran)
Rock (Metagross)



Threat list will be done tommorow...it's late already. Meanwhile, have a good look at my team.


(Please only use the team with my consent and knowledge)
​

​
 
Threat list for Team INVINCIBLE

Threat List:



Dealing with Leads:

Aerodactyl - I don't to say anymore right? Bullet Punch ftw.
Azelf - Bullet Punch and scout for Fire Blast, switch to Heatran if it has it. If it goes SR/Taunt instead, I'll keep Bullet Punching, since Explosion can't OHKO.
Bronzong - Latias, 2HKO with Surf/Thunderbolt, if you think it'll explode right after setting SR on the switch, change back to Metagross.
Celebi - Gyarados and Bounce.
Dragonite - Latias to block Fire Blast/Earthquake. Extremespeed doesn't do much to Latias so launch a Draco Meteor.
Empoleon - Either SR or Earthquake. I'll always do SR first because they would likely switch, knowing I'll Bullet Punch to kill off the 1 HP after Earthquake.
Gliscor - Rarely see one as a lead. Latias kills it with a Surf.
Heatran - Shuca Berry huh? I'll still Earthquake it and see if it will SR or Fire Blast. Switch to Heatran if it does the latter first in the first turn.
Hippowdon - Latias and Surf.
Infernape - After it uses Fake Out, Earthquake and Bullet Punch. Occa Berry blocks Fire attacks for a turn anyway.
Jirachi - Likely to switch/Trick, do an Earthquake to be on the safer side.
Machamp - I hate him. SR and explode on it.
Mamoswine - Needs good prediction. I'll normally Bullet Punch twice as my opponent will expect me to switch and try SR.
Metagross - I know him best. Use Earthquake, switch to Latias/Gyarados (mostly Latias) and kill it.
Ninjask - I laugh at it with Bullet Punch and SR.
Roserade - I'll normally use Bullet Punch and let it sleep while I switch to Heatran to block HP Fire, getting a free boost.
Skarmory - Latias once again.
Smeargle - Bullet Punch and let Metagross sleep, then kill it.
Starmie - Not so common. I'll do the GyaraVire combo.
Swampert - Set SR since it won't OHKO and switch to Latias and Draco Meteor it. DO this because of Protect.
Togekiss - The GyaraVire is usable against it since it will likely Encore after I use SR, then Fire Blast and T-Wave after see Gyarados.
Tyranitar - Him and his sandstorm...I'll set up SR to see if he'll switch. If he doesn't, he most likely have Counter. Switch to Heatran if he use Fire Punch
first.
Weavile - Laughable as I have Bullet Punch.



Dealing with Offense:

Azelf - Latias since he mostly use special attacks.
Breloom - Again, Metagross to sleep and then switch to Gyarados.
Dragonite - Not so spetacular whenit's facing my team. Block Dragon attacks with Metagross/Heatran and explode on it if Metagross is on the field, Toxic if
Heatran
Electivire - Earthquake with Metagross. Try tempting it to use HP Ice and block it with Metagross on the switch.
Empoleon - Mostly holds Ice Beam for Agility Petaya Substitute sets. Try Latias anyway as it can take a Ice Beam.
Flygon - Mostly scarfed. Tempting it to use Earthquake and switching to Flying/Levitate pokemon and attempt to kill it.
Gengar - GyaraVire combo as it will mostly be a Life Orb variant. Use Thunderbolt with Electivire.
Gyarados - Switch to Latias, it can take a +1 Stone Edge and Ice Fang is very rare.
Heatran - Switch to Gyarados.
Heracross - See Heatran
Infernape - I don't see it anymore, other than Scarf variants. Switch to Gyarados also.
Jirachi - As an attacker, it will carry an electric attack. The GyaraVire combo can eliminate it.
Jolteon - See Jirachi
Kingdra - Switch to Metagross and explode on it. It can take any +1 attack from it.
Latias - Block Dragon attacks with Steel, block Surf with Gyarados, block Thunderbolt with Electivire.
Lucario - Gyarados and Salamence laughs at it with Intimidate.
Machamp - Hit it with whatever's on the field.
Magnezone - GyaraVire combo it.
Mamoswine - Apparently constantly killed with whatever's on the field other than Salamence.
Metagross - Heatran blocks his STAB attacks and kills it with Fire Blast.
Salamence - Use Gyarados to Intimidate it and block Earthquake while you tempt your opponent to use Outrage. Metagross helps here.
Scizor - Least of my worries. Other than Latias, everyone on the team counters him.
Snorlax - Metagross and explode on it.
Starmie - GyaraVire combo if Life Orb variant. Latias if scarfed.
Suicune - See Snorlax.
Togekiss - Always trying to T-Wave before Air Slashing, both can be countered with Electivire.
Tyranitar - Switch in Gyarados to drop the ATK stat with Intimidate, then switch to Metagross and explode on it. If it's weakened, Latias.
Weavile - Not a worry. Metagross can kill it with Bullet Punch.



Dealing with Defense:

Coming Soon.
 
seems like a good offensive team. I like the gyaravire combo. I use low kick over cross chop, because i seem to get terrible luck with it always missing. Low kick easily ohkos tyranitar and deals massive damage to snorlax. You miss out on the kill on blissey, though, but i have infernape to deal with her
 
Your team lacks a suitable revenge killer. Without changing the team, I suggest changing Latias' item to a Choice Scarf. You can keep everything else the same though.

On Heatran, I suggest using a Naive Nature if you're using Explosion. Otherwise, I suggest using Torment over Toxic if you want to keep the Timid Nature. Why is this? Because all Pokemon generally carry one way to defeat Tormentran, so they can't use the same move twice in a row.
 
Wolfherz said:
seems like a good offensive team. I like the gyaravire combo. I use low kick over cross chop, because i seem to get terrible luck with it always missing. Low kick easily ohkos tyranitar and deals massive damage to snorlax. You miss out on the kill on blissey, though, but i have infernape to deal with her
Click to expand...


That's why I have Cross Chop.

Sheshi said:
Your team lacks a suitable revenge killer. Without changing the team, I suggest changing Latias' item to a Choice Scarf. You can keep everything else the same though.

On Heatran, I suggest using a Naive Nature if you're using Explosion. Otherwise, I suggest using Torment over Toxic if you want to keep the Timid Nature. Why is this? Because all Pokemon generally carry one way to defeat Tormentran, so they can't use the same move twice in a row.
Click to expand...


It can 2HKO Scizor with Surf if I have Specs, since people like to switch on it, 2HKO Swampert with Draco Meteor. And I don't see the point of revenge killers if I can set up on the revenge switch.
 
Sup FelGrand, Azure said that u wanted a rate so.......
I agree compleatly with what Sheshi about a revenge killer. Yes u can KO scizor, great but we believe that u need a revenge killer to stop set up threats. For example DD threats can now run through your team. Nasty Plot Mixape KO's 4 members of your team after 1 Nasty Plot, and AgiliGross can also run through this team. Also for some threats in your threat list the stratigy is limited to "explode with metagross".

Maybe I'm being harsh and don't get me wrong, this is a good team, but in a fast pace metagame some sort of revenge killer is needed.
Again Scarf on Latias is a good quick fix, authough their are other amd maybe better options that cannot be used effectively without disrupting this teams synergy.
Sheshi's idea for torment on Heatran is a good one or you could try a expert belt over leftovers and run HP electric or grass over substitute. This set still fakes a scarf and has wider coverage than your current one. Use if you wish.

Yeah I might do a full rate later as it is really late over here but until then cya!
 
ginganinja said:
Sup FelGrand, Azure said that u wanted a rate so.......
I agree compleatly with what Sheshi about a revenge killer. Yes u can KO scizor, great but we believe that u need a revenge killer to stop set up threats. For example DD threats can now run through your team. Nasty Plot Mixape KO's 4 members of your team after 1 Nasty Plot, and AgiliGross can also run through this team. Also for some threats in your threat list the stratigy is limited to "explode with metagross".

Maybe I'm being harsh and don't get me wrong, this is a good team, but in a fast pace metagame some sort of revenge killer is needed.
Again Scarf on Latias is a good quick fix, authough their are other amd maybe better options that cannot be used effectively without disrupting this teams synergy.
Sheshi's idea for torment on Heatran is a good one or you could try a expert belt over leftovers and run HP electric or grass over substitute. This set still fakes a scarf and has wider coverage than your current one. Use if you wish.

Yeah I might do a full rate later as it is really late over here but until then cya!
Click to expand...

Firstly, I needed Latias's power. I tried a scarf in 5 battles but I couldn't get a good K.O. with Latias. Another reason is that when you see all Metagross counters, you'll find Latias being the best option to counter all of them. Don't get me wrong. I mean, a scarf is good for revenge killing, but if I could switch in without taking much damage, Specs would be better. Moreover, Latias can actually take most of +1 non STAB x1 moves. So Dragon Dance variants weren't a problem. And if you look carefully, my team have 2 Intimidate users, clever intimidate switch anyone? I can also use Salamence to tempt an Outrage from Salamences, Flygons and Dragonite, which most likely done, and switch to steel types. Latias then support the steel types by pivoting, switching her into Ground type attacks, as Heatran blocks Fire and Metagross is neutral to Fighting attacks. Now you see why Latias use Choice Specs?


Another thing about Tormentran, opposing Latias ruins it.


Anyways, here's a battle to prove it's usability.

Code: 
- bryan sent out Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf).
FelGrand sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Azelf used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Metagross used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
---
- bryan switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Metagross used Bullet Punch.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 6% of its health.
---
Heatran used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Metagross lost 78% of its health.
The Occa Berry weakened Fire Blast's power!
Heatran lost 10% of its health.
Metagross used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 72% of its health.
- bryan's Heatran fainted.
---
- bryan switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Suicune.
Suicune lost 12% of its health.
Suicune used Surf.
Metagross lost 22% of its health.
FelGrand's Metagross fainted.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
FelGrand switched in Latias (lvl 100 Latias ?).
Pointed stones dug into Latias.
Latias lost 12% of its health.
- bryan switched in Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf).
Pointed stones dug into Azelf.
Azelf lost 12% of its health.
Latias used Thunderbolt.
Azelf lost 82% of its health.
---
FelGrand switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Azelf used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 75% of its health.
- bryan's Azelf fainted.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
- bryan switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Suicune.
Suicune lost 12% of its health.
Suicune used Surf.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 19% of its health.
FelGrand's Heatran fainted.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
FelGrand switched in Latias (lvl 100 Latias ?).
Pointed stones dug into Latias.
Latias lost 12% of its health.
Latias used Draco Meteor.
Suicune lost 86% of its health.
Latias's special attack was harshly lowered.
Suicune used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Latias lost 47% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Latias used Draco Meteor.
A critical hit!
Suicune lost 8% of its health.
- bryan's Suicune fainted.
Latias's special attack was harshly lowered.
---
- bryan switched in Raikou (lvl 100 Raikou).
Raikou is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Raikou.
Raikou lost 12% of its health.
FelGrand switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Gyarados's Intimidate cut Raikou's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Gyarados.
Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
Raikou used Shadow Ball.
Gyarados lost 36% of its health.
Raikou lost 10% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
FelGrand switched in Electivire (lvl 100 Electivire ?).
Pointed stones dug into Electivire.
Electivire lost 12% of its health.
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
Electivire's Motor Drive increased its speed!
---
- bryan switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Pointed stones dug into Gengar.
Gengar lost 12% of its health.
Electivire used Flamethrower.
Gengar lost 45% of its health.
---
Electivire used Flamethrower.
Gengar lost 43% of its health.
- bryan's Gengar fainted.
---
- bryan switched in Raikou (lvl 100 Raikou).
Raikou is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Raikou.
Raikou lost 12% of its health.
FelGrand switched in Latias (lvl 100 Latias ?).
Pointed stones dug into Latias.
Latias lost 12% of its health.
Raikou used Shadow Ball.
It's super effective!
Latias lost 16% of its health.
FelGrand's Latias fainted.
Raikou lost 10% of its health.
---
FelGrand switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Gyarados's Intimidate cut Raikou's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Gyarados.
Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
Raikou used Shadow Ball.
Gyarados lost 20% of its health.
FelGrand's Gyarados fainted.
Raikou lost 10% of its health.
---
FelGrand switched in Electivire (lvl 100 Electivire ?).
Pointed stones dug into Electivire.
Electivire lost 12% of its health.
Raikou used Shadow Ball.
Electivire lost 45% of its health.
Electivire's special defence was lowered.
Raikou lost 10% of its health.
Electivire used Flamethrower.
Raikou lost 33% of its health.
---
Raikou used Hidden Power.
Electivire lost 30% of its health.
FelGrand's Electivire fainted.
Raikou lost 2% of its health.
- bryan's Raikou fainted.
---
- bryan switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
FelGrand switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
Infernape lost 12% of its health.
Salamence's Intimidate cut Infernape's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Salamence.
Salamence lost 25% of its health.
Infernape used Fire Blast.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 43% of its health.
Infernape lost 10% of its health.
Salamence used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Infernape lost 78% of its health.
- bryan's Infernape fainted.
FelGrand wins!
 
Guys he does not need a revenge killer v_v if actually looked at his team the only thing something can set up on is Latias itself and that's gonna be stuff like SD Luke and SD Scizor and Scarfing Latias will not help against those. Nothing can set up on his team anyway without taking huge amounts of damage by either Explosions, hard hitting super effective attacks, or getting statused/tricked which really hampers whatever can "set up" on this team. The only thing a revenge killer will do to this team is harm it. And wtf tormenttran....

Now, I'm way more concerned about a certain member of your team, Electivire. Sure it takes Electric attacks and gets a speed boost out of it, and it hits -everything- Super Effectively, but I just think something can work better over it. For example, Swords Dance Lucario has excellent synergy with all of your team, especially Latias, Gyarados, and Salamence, gives you a bunch of more offensive power, and some good priority with ExtremeSpeed which can pick off Salamences and other frail pokemon about to sweep your team should they get that slight chance to set up. It can also act as a pretty good lure for some things, such as luring an overheat from a Rotom-h and using it for a free switch, Flash Fire boost, and Substitute for Heatran, as well as hitting Rotom-a really hard on the switch with a Life Orb Crunch or getting things like Salamence and Gyarados with a Stone Edge while they try to switch in and get 2HKOed as long as Stealth Rock is up and followed by an ExtremeSpeed should you get unlucky with damage rolls (you can't 2hko Resttalk Gyarados without stealth rock on some stall teams but you do 39.6% - 46.7% to them which is an easy 2HKO with Stealth Rock up, and you'll probably be Swords Dancing against stall which means its OHKOed no matter what with Stone Edge and Stealth Rock).

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant or Jolly nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch / Stone Edge

Adamant is preferred for the extra power which is quite noticeable but if you're a speed guy you can try out both. The choice between Crunch and Stone Edge (I've explained it in more detail in the previous paragraph) really comes down to if you want to hit Rotom-a and some Ghosts or hit Salamence, Gyarados, Zapdos and other flyers for Super Effective damage. Also Close Combat OHKOs Skarmory, Swampert and a mass of other mons with a +2 Close Combat with Stealth Rock up which is a testament to its power. Just try it out over Electivire and see what works best.

Just some other things you might want to try out; a Naive nature (or Jolly since you since you still OHKO Defensive Skarmory and 2HKO Special Defensive Skarmory as long as Stealth Rock is up) on Salamence to atleast speed tie with Jolly Choice Scarf Flygon and Choice Scarf Jirachi in a pinch and since you use Dragon Claw it could be very beneficial for your team to get rid of the both of them (especially Flygon). You can also experiment with a few moves on Heatran, such as Hidden Power Grass which does 42.9% - 50.5% to Hippowdon and 83.2% - 98% to Swampert which is a +++ for a hopeful Salamence sweep. Also try 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe on Gyarados. Maxing speed is really unneeded with Adamant Gyara and the current spread I listed allows you to outspeed all base 115s after a Dragon Dance, which is Starmie, Azelf, Raikou and lower which is all you need to outspeed after a dd imo besides Jolteon but that requires Jolly.

Anyways, good team, just needed a few changes to make it all click :) Gooood Luck!
 
joshe said:
Guys he does not need a revenge killer v_v if actually looked at his team the only thing something can set up on is Latias itself and that's gonna be stuff like SD Luke and SD Scizor and Scarfing Latias will not help against those. Nothing can set up on his team anyway without taking huge amounts of damage by either Explosions, hard hitting super effective attacks, or getting statused/tricked which really hampers whatever can "set up" on this team. The only thing a revenge killer will do to this team is harm it. And wtf tormenttran....

Now, I'm way more concerned about a certain member of your team, Electivire. Sure it takes Electric attacks and gets a speed boost out of it, and it hits -everything- Super Effectively, but I just think something can work better over it. For example, Swords Dance Lucario has excellent synergy with all of your team, especially Latias, Gyarados, and Salamence, gives you a bunch of more offensive power, and some good priority with ExtremeSpeed which can pick off Salamences and other frail pokemon about to sweep your team should they get that slight chance to set up. It can also act as a pretty good lure for some things, such as luring an overheat from a Rotom-h and using it for a free switch, Flash Fire boost, and Substitute for Heatran, as well as hitting Rotom-a really hard on the switch with a Life Orb Crunch or getting things like Salamence and Gyarados with a Stone Edge while they try to switch in and get 2HKOed as long as Stealth Rock is up and followed by an ExtremeSpeed should you get unlucky with damage rolls (you can't 2hko Resttalk Gyarados without stealth rock on some stall teams but you do 39.6% - 46.7% to them which is an easy 2HKO with Stealth Rock up, and you'll probably be Swords Dancing against stall which means its OHKOed no matter what with Stone Edge and Stealth Rock).

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant or Jolly nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch / Stone Edge

Adamant is preferred for the extra power which is quite noticeable but if you're a speed guy you can try out both. The choice between Crunch and Stone Edge (I've explained it in more detail in the previous paragraph) really comes down to if you want to hit Rotom-a and some Ghosts or hit Salamence, Gyarados, Zapdos and other flyers for Super Effective damage. Also Close Combat OHKOs Skarmory, Swampert and a mass of other mons with a +2 Close Combat with Stealth Rock up which is a testament to its power. Just try it out over Electivire and see what works best.

Just some other things you might want to try out; a Naive nature (or Jolly since you since you still OHKO Defensive Skarmory and 2HKO Special Defensive Skarmory as long as Stealth Rock is up) on Salamence to atleast speed tie with Jolly Choice Scarf Flygon and Choice Scarf Jirachi in a pinch and since you use Dragon Claw it could be very beneficial for your team to get rid of the both of them (especially Flygon). You can also experiment with a few moves on Heatran, such as Hidden Power Grass which does 42.9% - 50.5% to Hippowdon and 83.2% - 98% to Swampert which is a +++ for a hopeful Salamence sweep. Also try 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe on Gyarados. Maxing speed is really unneeded with Adamant Gyara and the current spread I listed allows you to outspeed all base 115s after a Dragon Dance, which is Starmie, Azelf, Raikou and lower which is all you need to outspeed after a dd imo besides Jolteon but that requires Jolly.

Anyways, good team, just needed a few changes to make it all click :) Gooood Luck!
Click to expand...


Gee, I didn't know that Lucario can do well on my team. But there are two things I am concerned about using a Lucario. One is that other than Latias, it can't pivot on anything, making it hard to set-up. Second thing that worries me is a Salamence switch, not only I will lose 1 stage of attack, which renders Lucario unable to K.O. it, it also can set-up while I switch/K.O. me with Earthquake.


For Gyarados, yeah, I think that EV spread is good, I'll try that.


For Salamence, change Naughty to Naive nature huh?


I'll calculate some damage to some OU pokemon which has some defense/ walls some pokemon in OU with +1 Dragon Claw/Earthquake with both natures (Life Orbed).

Naughty:


Metagross (CB set) - Earthquake +1 does 102.7% - 121.4%

Gliscor (Defensive) - Dragon Claw +1 58.5% - 68.9% (Sure 2HKO w/o SR, leftovers accounted)

Hippowdon (Physical Wall) - Dragon Claw +1 does 46.4% - 54.5% (Around 50% probability to 2HKO with SR, leftovers accouted)

Suicune (Crocune, Calm Mind, SleepTalk) - Dragon Claw +1 does 46% - 54.2% (Will be 2HKOed wih SR, leftovers accounted.)

Rotom-A (Standard) - Dragon Claw +1 does 69.1% - 81.3%


Naive:


Metagross (CB set) - Earthquake +1 does 93.4% - 110.4% (Almost ensures OHKO with SR)

Gliscor (Defensive) - Dragon Claw +1 does 52.8% - 62.7% (Sure 2HKO with SR, leftovers accounted)

Hippowdon (Physical Wall) - Dragon Claw +1 does 42.4% - 50% (3HKO no matter what, leftovers accounted)

Suicune (Crocune, Calm Mind, SleepTalk) - Dragon Claw +1 does 41.8% - 49.3% (More than 75% probability to 2HKO with SR, leftovers accounted)

Rotom-A (Standard) - Dragon Claw +1 does 62.5% - 74%


Ahh, both have their prospects and and weaknesses, a Naughty nature can ensure 2HKOs while Naive nature can outrun a few more pokemon, tieing with positive Speed base 100s with scarfs. Well, as a late game sweeper, speed is important, but if you can't ensure 2HKOs, with Life Orb recoil, I will be put in a dangerous situation. Moreover, my team will most likely find the scarfer and kill it, I'll try Naive though.
 
Hey there Fel. Time for a quick rate...After battling this team, I must say, it's a pretty damn effective team. A major problem I found was the lack of defense you had against Choice Scarfers, mainly Latias. Latias has a supereffective move for 4 out of 6 members of your team and outspeeds all of them with no problem (even Salamence after a Dragon Dance). An idea? I have one :D I have two possible ideas which I think you should try out. The first one which may be more effective, is to get a Choice Scarfer of your own. Latias is quite a good one. Quite a many Latias have Modest @ Choice Scarf so Timid @ Choice Scarf let's you outspeed all of them and get at least a speed tie against other Timiders.

Second idea, get a priority user. Metagross is your only pokemon which has a priority move and as a bonus, can take some of Latias' hits. Problem is, it's not really bulky enough to take anything other than 2 Draco Meteors anyway so maybe get another priority user who can set-up and smack everything in its way? One name: Lucario. The Lucario set which joshe pointed out would be a fantastic fit as it would provide some nice physical power and has priority moves. It also gels extremely nicely with the rest of your team. If I find any more neccessary changes in your team, I'll edit it into this post.

~Quick
 
Quick Man said:
Hey there Fel. Time for a quick rate...After battling this team, I must say, it's a pretty damn effective team. A major problem I found was the lack of defense you had against Choice Scarfers, mainly Latias. Latias has a supereffective move for 4 out of 6 members of your team and outspeeds all of them with no problem (even Salamence after a Dragon Dance). An idea? I have one :D I have two possible ideas which I think you should try out. The first one which may be more effective, is to get a Choice Scarfer of your own. Latias is quite a good one. Quite a many Latias have Modest @ Choice Scarf so Timid @ Choice Scarf let's you outspeed all of them and get at least a speed tie against other Timiders.

Second idea, get a priority user. Metagross is your only pokemon which has a priority move and as a bonus, can take some of Latias' hits. Problem is, it's not really bulky enough to take anything other than 2 Draco Meteors anyway so maybe get another priority user who can set-up and smack everything in its way? One name: Lucario. The Lucario set which joshe pointed out would be a fantastic fit as it would provide some nice physical power and has priority moves. It also gels extremely nicely with the rest of your team. If I find any more neccessary changes in your team, I'll edit it into this post.

~Quick
Click to expand...


Thanks, I'll try that.


EDIT: Tried both, did not work as Latias was always K.O.ed by TTar and Scizor. After Latias was K.O.ed, Gyarados could not hold up on it's own. I'll think of something else.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top