Team Jirachinite: Wi-fi

[travisurfer]

I've put quite a bit of work into this team and I feel like it's pretty solid. After looking through some of the RMT's and playing on shoddy, I've found that both Jirachi and Dragonite seem to be severely underrated so I wanted to make a team that could utilize them to their, hopefully, best potential.

Porygon2@Lum Berry
240 HP/168 Def/26 SpAtk/116 SpDef
Modest-Trace
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Thunderwave
-Recover​

I've found that P2 is able to counter many of the common leads in the OU environment. The EV's provided are there to OHKO Salamence, Gyarados, and Garchomp while still being able to take some hits on the physical side. Most notably, this survives Specsmence Dracometeor and Gengar Focus Blast. Lum Berry is there because many like to run fast Hypnosis leads. This really works great with this team because it normally either draws out Fight-type attacks or Blissey which allows Gengar or Jirachi to switch in easily and do some damage. Also, Trace allows P2 to fill in so many holes, most notably Heatran.

Hippowdon@Leftovers
252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish-Sandstream
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Stealth Rock
-Slack Off​

Hippowdon provides a great physical wall that this team desperately needs. The ability to phaze and support the team with Stealth Rock is always a plus. The major plus here is that Hippowdon helps take out Tyrannitar and Garchomp which tend to get in the way of a Jirachi sweep.

Gallade@Leftovers
230 HP/100 Atk/120 SpDef/60 Spe
Careful-Steadfast
-Bulk Up
-Drain Punch
-Psycho Cut
-Night Slash
​

This is something I still have to work out, but the idea is to switch in on the special attacks and do some damage. I may consider changing things around a bit after some more testing as Gallade does have access to Thunderwave and Hypnosis. Swords Dance and Shadow Sneak are other viable options for priority abuse. Gallade is important here because he helps to take out not only Blissey, but the bulky Psychics that will attempt to wall Jirachi once the little guy starts his sweep.

Jirachi@Leftovers
252 HP/80 SpAtk/176 Spe
Modest-Serene Grace
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Grass Knot​

Jirachi, one of the core members of the team. With a 31 HP IV and 252 EV's, Jirachi hits 404 HP to make those bulky 101 subs that allow this thing to always take out Blissey. I prefer Grass Knot for the coverage against unsuspecting Tyranitars and Swamperts. I am open to considering other moves for this slot though. I've found that, although this is oddly specific, many teams are at least somewhat weak to Jirachi.

Dragonite@Lum Berry
58 HP/252 Atk/200 Spe
Jolly-Inner Focus
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Fire Punch
-Earthquake​

Simple and effective. Many ask why anyone would use Dragonite and, to keep it short, its the only non-uber Dragon to get Dragon Dance and Outrage. Well, that, and the fact that I'm one of those hard-core Dragonite users from the RBY days. :) The strategy is simple, Dragon Dance on something that will switch out and it's good game. Lum Berry is there because it allows me to go for another round of Outrage. I've chosen Adamant and Fire Punch for the extra attack boost and to be able to hit the Celebi and Bronzong harder.

Vaporeon@Leftovers
188 HP/252 Def/68 SpAtk
Bold-Water Absorb
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Wish
-Protect​

I've chosen to go for the bold set as suggested to help cover this teams embarassing Mixeape weak. Wish support is essential to this team with Hippowdon's Sandstream wearing a few of the pokes down.

Thanks in advance for the team rate and any input.

 

[fostmeister]

You seem to not have a real physical wall.

I think nothing on your team could take a cb tyranitar's crunch.

CB metagross could hurt everything with meteor mash and thunderpunch for vaporeon.

Heracross, mamoswine, just lots of powerful physical attackers.

Consider putting a gliscor or hippowdon for one of your sweepers. You have 4 sweepers, too many for my taste.

I think vappy is fine b/c its could be a pretty good special wall and wish support is always nice.

I think with some more support from physical walls, this team would do well.

 

[Wayff]

I'm not too worrided about his Tyranitar problems, he has Breloom. CB Gross, Heracross, Garchomp and Mamoswine can definetly hurt this team though. I suggest you add in Bronzong over Jirachi, since you already have a Wish Passer. This way, you can counter a lot of threats. As for your Breloom, how about changing it's EV spread? Make it 252 Atk / 240 HP / 16 Spd. This way, you can hit 180 Speed for Roosting Skarmory and CB Tar that run enough speed for Skarmory. Then, I would put Mach Punch in there somewhere. Why don't you try Adamant @ Toxic Orb with Mach Punch / Seed Bomb / Spore / Filler? You can put in Swords Dance, Leech Seed, etc. etc. as the filler.

I really don't like a lot of your EV spreads. First of all, I'd change Porygon2's EVs. I'd change it to 228 HP / 80 Def / 80 SpA / 120 SpD. This way, you take a Choice Specs Salamence Draco Meteor, Jolly LO Garchomp Earthquake, and OHKO most of the Garchomp back. Vaporeon needs 68 SpAtk EVs even if it's a special wall, OHKOing Garchomp is just too important.

LO Gengar wants Focus Punch instead of Focus Blast / Psychic. Focus Punch is way too important for beating Blissey. Dragonite probaly wants Life Orb to do extra damage, since if you really hate Confusion, you can just switch out. Overall, I'd replace Dragonite with BulkyMence, it helps alot with your SD Lucario and Non-HP Ice Mixape problems.

@fostmeister: I don't mean to offend you, but lots of offensive teams have 5-6 sweepers...

 

[chaos 9]

i don't like cm jirachi without wish. blissey just seems to beat it. i run that set with sub/wish/hp fight or psychic/cm. if you run hp fight, you can ohko most tar after a cm. Blissey is koed by a 4+ hp fight and then you can sweep.

 

[travisurfer]

You seem to not have a real physical wall.

I think nothing on your team could take a cb tyranitar's crunch.

CB metagross could hurt everything with meteor mash and thunderpunch for vaporeon.

Heracross, mamoswine, just lots of powerful physical attackers.

Consider putting a gliscor or hippowdon for one of your sweepers. You have 4 sweepers, too many for my taste.

I think vappy is fine b/c its could be a pretty good special wall and wish support is always nice.

I think with some more support from physical walls, this team would do well.

The funny thing is that I used to run a similar team with a physical walling Bronzong over Jirachi. It worked out pretty well, but I wanted to try to find a theme that could go for the Jirachi sweep.

I'm not too worrided about his Tyranitar problems, he has Breloom. CB Gross, Heracross, Garchomp and Mamoswine can definetly hurt this team though. I suggest you add in Bronzong over Jirachi, since you already have a Wish Passer. This way, you can counter a lot of threats. As for your Breloom, how about changing it's EV spread? Make it 252 Atk / 240 HP / 16 Spd. This way, you can hit 180 Speed for Roosting Skarmory and CB Tar that run enough speed for Skarmory. Then, I would put Mach Punch in there somewhere. Why don't you try Adamant @ Toxic Orb with Mach Punch / Seed Bomb / Spore / Filler? You can put in Swords Dance, Leech Seed, etc. etc. as the filler.
As I posted above, I previously had a Bronzong over Jirachi but wanted to make a team that could make the Jirachi sweep. So the HP is just for general overall bulkiness. It loses the ability to outspeed a lot but it wouldn't be that bad with Mach Punch so something like: Spore/Swords Dance/Mach Punch/Seed Bomb? That works for me.
I really don't like a lot of your EV spreads. First of all, I'd change Porygon2's EVs. I'd change it to 228 HP / 80 Def / 80 SpA / 120 SpD. This way, you take a Choice Specs Salamence Draco Meteor, Jolly LO Garchomp Earthquake, and OHKO most of the Garchomp back. Vaporeon needs 68 SpAtk EVs even if it's a special wall, OHKOing Garchomp is just too important.
I do like the ability to take a Draco Meteor with Porygon2 giving me more of an advantage. I guess that is more important than being guaranteed to beat the less common lead Breloom all of the time.
LO Gengar wants Focus Punch instead of Focus Blast / Psychic. Focus Punch is way too important for beating Blissey. Dragonite probaly wants Life Orb to do extra damage, since if you really hate Confusion, you can just switch out. Overall, I'd replace Dragonite with BulkyMence, it helps alot with your SD Lucario and Non-HP Ice Mixape problems.
The original purpose of this team was to be able to get Jirachi setup, which beats Blissey everytime thanks to 101 subs and Calm Mind. That way, Gengar doesn't really have to worry about Blissey. LO Explosion is always nice but I wanted something for more towards late game hence the all-special Gengar. I usually actually trade off between Life Orb and Lum Berry on Dragonite depending on the last few battles. Sometimes he has a lot to cleanup so the Life Orb recoil with Stealth Rock is a bit much and the confusion starts to rack up. Both have worked well for me in the past though.
@fostmeister: I don't mean to offend you, but lots of offensive teams have 5-6 sweepers...
The funny part about this is that I usually run teams without enough of an offensive presence.

Please note that I am by no means trying to sound arrogant in my posts if it comes off that way. I am willing to trade out a poke or two if it means the team will fare better but I do want to keep the Jirachinite theme.

i don't like cm jirachi without wish. blissey just seems to beat it. i run that set with sub/wish/hp fight or psychic/cm. if you run hp fight, you can ohko most tar after a cm. Blissey is koed by a 4+ hp fight and then you can sweep.

If you didn't notice, this team is for wi-fi which makes it all that much more impossible to not only get a good Jirachi but to be able to get one with HP Fight as well. With its subs and Calm Mind, Blissey really can't do anything. After a few Calm Minds, it takes quite a few hits for even Flamethrower Bliss to break the sub. Seismic Toss is a guaranteed 2HKO on the sub but, by that time, Jirachi will have too many Calm Minds for Blissey to do anything. I will admit though that this Jirachi relies way to much on its Leftovers but it does work ime.

 

[cim]

HP Fighting isn't for Blissey, Psychic does just about as much. Flamethrower or HP Ground Bliss will give you problems, though they're not usually combined with Thunder Wave.

Jirachi and Dragonite aren't underrated; they're both extremely potent OUs.

You want Yache Berry on Dragonite to beat nearly every Cresselia one-on-one. It's not like you're going to ever find a time where you'll want to stay in after 3 attacks. Jolly and 200 Speed EVs hits 270, and if you don't hit 270 then Jolteon, Crobat, and company outspeed you. Jolteon will OHKO you too.

You're wasting Vaporeon's talents with that spread. He can take neutral and even some SE special attacks fine without any SDef, so suck it up and use a Blissey or something else to sponge Special hits rather than use a bulky water. If you want a better special wall, use Empoleon.

Zapdos is a decent physical tank, but you need a good Steel type to take the ice and rock attacks on Zapdos.

Other than that, I dunno.

 

[travisurfer]

HP Fighting isn't for Blissey, Psychic does just about as much. Flamethrower or HP Ground Bliss will give you problems, though they're not usually combined with Thunder Wave.
Bliss Flamethrower does 18.31% - 21.78% to Jirachi after two Calm Minds which really isn't all that hard to do when you have an initial sub up.
Jirachi and Dragonite aren't underrated; they're both extremely potent OUs.
Underrated probably wasn't the best word but they are really used as far as the OU standards are concerned(ie. most people use chomp or mence over nite) I have seen quite a few Jirachi's but they've all been of the physical support variety.
You want Yache Berry on Dragonite to beat nearly every Cresselia one-on-one. It's not like you're going to ever find a time where you'll want to stay in after 3 attacks. Jolly and 200 Speed EVs hits 270, and if you don't hit 270 then Jolteon, Crobat, and company outspeed you. Jolteon will OHKO you too.
True, I remembered there was a reason I use to run Jolly but decided to go Adamant for the attack boost.
You're wasting Vaporeon's talents with that spread. He can take neutral and even some SE special attacks fine without any SDef, so suck it up and use a Blissey or something else to sponge Special hits rather than use a bulky water. If you want a better special wall, use Empoleon.
Vaporeon has better 6 less base special defence and 46 more base HP than Empoleon so I'm pretty sure he can take special hits quite a bit better.
Zapdos is a decent physical tank, but you need a good Steel type to take the ice and rock attacks on Zapdos.
With max HP and base 100 defences, Jirachi gets quite a few easy switch-ins on Ice, Rock, and Dragon attacks directed at Zapdos and Dragonite.
Other than that, I dunno.

 

[travisurfer]

Ok, I'm going to make this team into a work in progress. Here are all of the changes made as of now:
-Porygon2's EV's were optimized to take out Specsmence Dracometeor and Gengar's Focus Blast
-Gengar was replaced with Hippowdon for team support, pHazing, and defensive walling. Hippowdon helps to counter Tyrannitar, Chomp, and Lucario to some extent.
-Many said Vaporeon wasn't an adequate special wall so I made it more physically bulky to get rid of that Mixeape weak.
-I replaced Breloom with a bulky special defense oriented Gallade to sponge Special hits and eliminate the bulky psychics that would ordinarily cause problems for Jirachi.

Ok, so how does that look now. The preliminary testing appears to be alright, but, like I said, this is still a work in progress.