Team Kill All, does what it says on the tin... ermm RMT

[Twinkytoes]

Meh, title to draw you in. Don't have a go at me for posting a second RMT (my last one is only on page 2), becuase I asked two mods to lock it already.

Anyways, here is Team Kill All, at a glance:

And Up Close

UpgrdeThis/Porygon2@ Leftovers
Bold w/ Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 48 SpA / SpD
-Discharge
-Ice Beam
-Magic Coat
-Recover

Bulky wall that anti leads. It deals with the most common leads (Gyara, Hippo, etc.) and doesn’t fear the rest. Discharge > Thunderbolt because I like Paralysis and Magic coat can reflect other Statuses. Ice Beam for Dragon (who I can switch into later one quite nicely). Recover for, well… recovering XD. If I think I’m gonna get Trick Scarfed I can switch into…

ToastPower/Rotom-h@ Choice Scarf
Modest w/ Levitate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
-Overheat
-Trick
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

This was made into Rotom-H rather than W. It provides a check for Scizor and Lucario so that they don't sweep my team if Zapdos fails. It can also deal with Gyara if Pory2 gets killed in the process of something else. At worst, it T-Tar happens to become a problem, he can Trick him a Scarf and possibly lose his power or versatility. If I'm lucky he gets locked into DD!

This is a Trick-Scarfer and dual-screener. Hydro Pump for an attacking move that deals with switch ins on stuff like Heatran (particularly him, I fear him), Rhyperior and certain other things. He also Physical walls quite well whe he needs to, particularly with Reflect. If they send out Gengar or Tyranitar, I switch to…

The Claw/Scizor@ Life Orb
Adamant w/ Technician
EVs: 192 HP / 252 Atk / 66 Def
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break
-X-Scissor

This is probably the most wonderful set I have ever seen. It switches in on most Ghosts and Tyranitar remarkably well, hits huge amounts of attack with one SD, and sweeps entire teams who think they can handle The Claw. Bullet Punch is y main sweeping move for general use. Brick Break is for the steels who don’t mind Bullet Punch, and X-Scissor is for Cresselia who otherwise totally walls me. If they send out Rotom-H or Heatran, or try to status me I switch to…

Pink Blob/Blissey@ Leftovers
Bold w/ Natural Cure
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Def / 110 SpD
-Steath Rock
-Ice Beam
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled

This is my (and most other people’s -_-) Special Sponge. She absolutely loves status, lols at Dragons (because she has Ice Beam) and sets up a Stealthy, Rocky trap for any switch ins. She also deals consistent damage to any non-ghost opponent with Seismic Toss. Any damage she takes is healed off with Softboiled. Without Blissey I would die to Heatran, whereas she makes him do absolutely nothing and forces him to switch. If they switch to Infernape, the number one wall killer and MixSweeper, I go back to Rotom whilst he CCs. If they send in Gyara or Mence to set up on me, out comes Porygon2. But if they send in Scizor, who is top of the usage Charts at the moment, I go to…

BigMuscles/Machamp@ Leftovers
Adamant w/No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 atk / 6 Spd
-Dynamicpunch
-Stone Edge
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

This is also a nice answer to Lucario, but replaced Zapdos becuase T-Tar was raping my team left, right and center. Everyone knows teh set, so I will explain anyway. Stone Edge and Dynamicpunch to abuse No Guard. Rest and Sleep Talk to stay healthy whilst still doing damage. Also serves to absorb status almost as well as Blissey.


And finally, when the game needs cleaning up…

I H8 SALAD/Dragonite@ Leftovers
Adamant w/ Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 Spd
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Roost

My late game sweeper. He loves coming in on things that can’t touch him and getting in a free DD. He then sweeps the late game with Outrage, after 1 or 2 DDs. I’m not sure whether to give him Flamethrower or Fire Blast for Skarmory, but late game, he shouldn’t be much of a problem, as hes weakened or dead because of Zapdos or Porygon2. OR, I could take Superpower for Blissey (although DD Outrage should do minimum 90%...), please help me on this.

Common Threats List:

1: Scizor isn’t much of a problem when I have Zap.
2. Heatran again, isn’t much of a problem. Rotom-W can set up Light Screen and 2HKO with Hydro Pump (and if he is bulky, trick him a Scarf). Blissey just plain walls him.
3. Infernape is no problem for Rotom-W, if I predict right, but it helps if I still have my Scarf. Otherise, Zap deals with him.
4. Salamence is easily countered by Porygon2, and Bliss carries Ice Beam too. If I need to finish him off or I’m in dire need, Scizor can Bullet Punch.
5. Blissey is the number one special wall but Scizor has no problems, and Dragonite doesn’t mind her too much.
6. Lucario is seeing much more usage recently, but Rotom can Trcik him a Scarf and lock him into SD. Otherwise, Zapdos doesn’t fear him much either, unless he’s running Ice Punch, but then Rotom has little to fear.
7. Gengar has always been the number one special sweeper, but he gets walled by Blissey unless he wants to Explode or risk Focus Punch. If he is a TrickScarfer I switch to Rotom-W. but ultimately, its Scizor that handles the Ghosts.
8. Metagross is scary, but Zapdos doesn’t fear him and if he isn’t using Agility, Dragonite deals with him. Of he is a lead then he is often a TrickScarfer so I go to Rotom.
9. Gyarados isn’t a problem for Zapdos or Prygon2, whether he has a DD or not.
10. Tyranitar would be a pain if it were not for Scizor, who switches in, SDs and OHKos with Bullet Punch. He only takes 81% from a DDed or CBed Fire Punch.
11. Magikarp... Oh, wait... Stuff Magikarp.

Well there you have it. My team has just got a 10 win streak on Shoddy (after I realised that I had typed a lot of it wrong in the team editor), so it should be fine. But that’s what you lot are for, rate away!

 

[Imran]

OK so the first thing that you mentioned was Ice Punch Lucario. I fell this is a reasonable threat to you, it can set up on Rotom or Blissey and sweep through most of your team, considering that Rotom only has one attack and will lose the scarf early game. Fire thing I am going to do is reccomend this EV spread for Zapdos:

188 HP / 176 Spe / 144 SpA

This will allow you to outspeed Lucario and KO back with Thunderbolt (some of the time) or Heatwave, I think you should remove Heat Wave, however, for reasons I will state in a minute.

If you use that Zapdos EV spread you will find that a lot of the time you can deal with Lucario with Thunderbolt and Scizor with Thunderbolt and Roost, this leaves that other moveslot open for something like Thunder Wave which will help you to deal with other threats that might be problematic to you such as a mixed Infernape, If you can catch threats on the switch with ThunderWave that will be awesome. Now, the reason I think HeatWave is pretty redundant is your Rotom, To be honest the set is very poor, you are dependant on tricking the scarf early otherwise you are stuffed, so why not run a Rotom-h there instead, you can keep the trick scarf but you maintain a slightly more attacking mindset, heres the set:

Rotom-h @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature / Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
~ Overheat
~ Thunderbolt
~ Shadow Ball
~ Trick

This way you will never need to worry about Lucario / Scizor ever sweeping your team as it will revenge kill them unless Overheat misses. This will also help you out against Metagross, and also Gyarados should Porygon 2 get taken out in the initial exchanges. and at worst if a TTar turns up you "could" tirck the scarf onto it, allowing you to either take its versatility or its power from it.

I still see TTar as a bit of an issue, Scizor cant really switch in safely unless you predict Crunch, TTar can just run away and try again on the second go, so maybe you could put roost > Brick Break? I'm not sure about that one though, it would require a much larger shuffling of the team. Perhaps you could replace Zapdos with Machamp now that Zapdos and Rotom are doing roughly the same job, try that out that might help a lot, the standard Restalker will do the job:

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature / No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
~ Dynamic Punch
~ Stone Edge
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

Stone Edge and Dynamic Punch will always hit which is always useful, and will help as a nice fun switch in to Tyranitar who your team otherwise really does have problems with. I don't know if removing Zapdos will be problematic, but if it is then just change it back and we'll try to sort it out another way. I'd also change Seismic Toss to Toxic or Flamethrower on Bliss so that you can do something against things like Zapdos or Lucario, both of whom will wall you if you choose the wrong option. You could always try the old standard of T-Wave and Seismic Toss on Bliss as I found that works quite well with Softboiled sets, or Flamethrower and Toxic will work too.

Long Rate lol, I hope some of this helps and your team goes well.

 

[Twinkytoes]

I think you might be right about the Rotom spread, I will make that into a Toaster with the Offensive Spread that you suggested.

Zapdos is always a sueful switch in to lots of things other than Scizor, it stops stuff like Swampert walling my team. It also provides a more speedy version, and Like you said, it canoutspeed and KO Lucario. WIthout Zap I have nothing that can do that. But I will change the EV spread to couter Luke more effectively. I'm not sure about removing Heat Wave. After an SD, Scizor will screw alll over me with Priority and If I start doing some damage he often carries roost, so TBolting him will become kinda redundant. And Luke only takes 186 - 220 (65.96% - 78.01%) from TBolt with that spread anyway. Heat Wave stays.

Scizor survives a DDed Fire Punch, he takes an average of 81% from it. He will then KO Back with Bullet Punch or Brick Break. Roost becomes somewhat redundant on this as I need teh coverage or I'm walled by certain things I shouldn't be walled by. If I remove Bullet Punch, the set becomes redundant. If I remove Brick Break I get slewed by anything steel typed. If I remove X-Scissor I am walled by Cressy. So I am afraid I can't really remove anything for Roost, let alone Brick Break.

As for Blissey, Toxic won't affect Lucario anyways. I used to run Thunder Wave but I found myself in dire need of a rocker. I could try to put rocks on something else, but I'm not sure. Thunder Wave would make Blissey far more effective but I don't have anything else capable of laying rocks. Advice?

EDIT: After further testing, H have decided that Zapdos isn't doing enough to be worth it. I will take yoru advice and replace it with a Machamp.

EDIT 2: machamp has so far proved to be far more effective than Zapdos. Thanks.

 

[Twinkytoes]

Sorry to double post, but:

BUMP and I still need advice on Dragonite (regarding Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Superpower) and also on blissey (should I take Thunder Wave/Toxic instead of Rocks)

 

[Druggedfox]

First I'll address what you asked about.

If Dnite is going to be your late game sweeper, then you probably won't need roost will you? If you're using him throughout the match keep the set as it is, but late game roost is nigh-useless (except in certain scenarios) In this case having flamethrower or fire blast might be good because you don't want to lose a sweep because a skarm or forry gets in your way (or hell, scizor now-a-days).

Second, on Blissey I think twave can be much more useful than SR, unless you find yourself relying on SR to win you matches a lot. sure it can take 25% off a gyarados or salamence, but if you twave the switch-in instead, chances are you've just heavily crippled a physical attacker that could do some serious damage to blissey (and possibly your team).

Also, in your threat list you address infernape, but I can still see it doing a number to your tea,. Rotom can't be switching in on fire blasts(now that you've gone away from the bulky rotom-W spread) and mix ape can plow through pretty much your entire team except for machamp. I'd be wary of infernape (though no one seems to be using mix ape anymore, only as a starter).

Last, you seem to like the machamp set, so I won't say to change it... however relying on sleep talk can a lot of the time cost you the match. A 1/3 chance of getting rest when you use sleep talk could mean losing a good bit of matches sometimes. If it's working for you (which it seems to be) keep it I guess, but otherwise I'd recommend a not sleep talking variant. Anything from a choice item or BU set could be good if you decide to change.

Hope I provided some insight~

 

[Twinkytoes]

Actually, I agree about the 1/3 chance of Sleep Talking Rest is annoying, but he has been useful so-far. But I might consider changing him to a BU set with No-Guard, running Dynamicpunch, Stone Edge and Payback. The recovery hsa been useful so far so I won't change the set unless it (sleep talking rest) is a consistent problem.

I think I will give blissey TWave over SR too. Most people only use Focus Sash on lead sets now anyway so SR won't be needed always. TWave will probably be better, due to reasons you mentioned.

Nite needs Roost because it is relying on DD to do any damage and get any speed, and he will easily take atleast one hit whilst he is DDing.

 

[Druggedfox]

But if it's late game, can you go for a clean sweep after taking the hit? I see how roost could come in handy, but it all depends on how it's been after testing (you're the one tryint the team out, not me) If you don't sweep sometimes because you don't have flamethrower to KO that scizor, or if you're not sweeping because you're at low enough hp for Bullet Punch to KO you... it's all down to the actual testing, no more theory =/ Good luck~

 

[Twinkytoes]

I have been trying it and it has been useful.

and the Scizor Comment is kinda irrelevant because SD Bullet Punch will do about 90%ish anyway. And thats before SR is factored in.