So I took the Greninja, Mawile, Dragonite core in the Victory Road good cores thread and it always does pretty good right about till I get to 1700 where it just starts loosing, I can't really tell you what it is. Sometimes it really just is me thinking players are smarter than they really are other times is not having other special sweepers to get around mons like gliscor and landorous therian. But I really enjoy the Core, Greninja is my favorite Pokemon so I would like to use him. Id take any suggestion in regards to fixes but first let me give you some insight on my team
Team Building Process:
Step 1 The Core- Greninja, Dragonite, Mawile
I copy and pasted the victory road core and after a few games I changed Mawile to SD because it tested better. not much to say here I was just looking for a good Greninja team
Step 2 Core + Defog= Greninja, Dragonite, Mawile, Scizor
The only Defogers ive liked is scizor So added him for the role, he has some flaws but does his job well mostly
Step 3 EQ and Fire Resist= Greninja, Dragonite, Mawill, Scizor and Talonflame
I got both of the things I wanted and gained offensive momentum do to u-turn and the best priority in the game. At this point I looked at my team and thougt. Damn Mega magnetric would just go to town on me. And now theat you think of it a lot of special sweepers work a big dent on this team. The offensive momentum was good, but if my opponent had more consistant offence I was pretty down.
Step 4- Insert Special Wall and rocks= Greninja, Dragonite, Mawile, Scizor and Blissey
I added bliss because I reaaaaally need a check to Greninja, Manetric and other Sp Attackers. She does this plus sets up rocks so I was Like ok lets get rocking.
The team:
The quick sweeper: Basically Greninja role is to Late game sweep once my Dragonite and Mawile have roughend up my oponents mons, or simply bust his way though bulky grounds so that the other half of the core can set up and win. Extrasensory is pretty crucial in this moveslot just for Mega Venusaur. I know I have TFlame but it's always nice to have more than out to that Pokemon. Its really good also against common threats like : Excadril, Landorus and Thundorus which are freaking everywhere this meta. Dark Pulse really helps against Rotom-W if they switch in predicting a Ice Beam.
Greninja @ Life Orb (I use this item to get guaranteed 0HKO on Dragonite but it's a real bummer having greninja kill himself, have considered switching it for lefties but still unsure, rest of his set is pretty standard)
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory
I changed the mawile from the victory road set to a SD with Iron Head set simply because Iron head helps a lot more against Fairys and Mega Venusaur. I really liked using sub but agaist a helluv a lot teams setting up SD is pretty much a win condition. Mawile somes in on predictable knock offs, mach punches, stone edge or other pokemon who would not threaten after a Intimidate. He really helps against Scarf Excadrill and Garchomp users trying to kill my talonflame and I got kind of a Dragon, fairy , steel core going on between him and dragonite. My ev's are kinda wack y could really use some suggestions on this one
Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 132 Spd / 252 Atk
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance
This is one of my favorite pokemon because it's so handy, Lum Berry helps a lot agaist Sash Breelom and Smeargle beause i just attack, because the other player will just think you are stupid and try to spore while you wake up from your lum and proceed to dragon claw and extreme speed. Works pretty well against Deo Sharps especially if they play aegislash predictably, if they got the substitute variant it gets pretty hard for my team. He's also my counter to Bird Spam but it gets pretty tough agaisnt them once this baby dies. Sometimes I wish I rad a bulky dd just so i can roost and take advantage of Multicale but then i would have to take off either EQ or Extremespeed. And I definately need EQ for friggin heatran and aegislash and extremespeed is just amazing period. I was thinking of running a banded set with Aqua tail insteat of DD for Gliscor but I haven't tested it yet. I really like this pokemon though, IMO he's the best dragon this meta.
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Extreme Speed
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
Here is where my flavor kicks in, I use scizor because frankly for me he's the best defogger. Sometimes I have problems against physical fire users because they hurt scizor, mawile and blissey, which is my usual switch into Fire attacks but I do think he adds a lot to the team. He comes in free against a lot of threats such as other scizors, landorus, fairys without flamethrower (which are becoming less common since pretty much every clefable is rocking flamethrower and even some greninjas are carrying hp fire). Still he has good recovery, good bulk and his bp and u turn still hit hard, he's the best defogger I've found but I'm willing for suggestions.
Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog
This mon is kind of a double edge sword, I feel it single handedly wins me games some times, and its a pretty decent rocks setter, but against some teams shes worthless. She's my special Wall and she does an amazing job at that, but with Keldeo becoming evermore prevalent she can't even wall one of the most common special threat, no to mention it's a friggin mix up every time i see a thundurus because if its packing superpower she's gonzo. I'm very willing to change her, but I need rocks so if you're gonna make any suggestions please keep that in mind. This being said Greninja does nothing to her, neither does volcarona, Charizard Y, Special based Thundurus, Landorus for the most part, zapdos, heatran, volcarona and any Latios or latias stupid enough to have psyshock instead of psychic.
Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Soft-Boiled
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
The reason I picked TFlame is because I wanted a EQ immunity and a resistance to fire, and also because I think TFlame and Greninja make a great pair. This set is really good and Will-o-Wisp is surprisingly amazing as well. Sometimes I think id rather switch this set for a bulky talonflame with lefties roost , will o wisp, flare blits and brave bird and then switch my dragonite to Choice band but I'm not very convinced by Tflames bulk. He really works well and is pretty instrumental on my team but I have so many physical sweepers I feel Stall really hurts me. This thing kinda helps agaisnt stall once its counters are dead but other times not really. He's a good revenge killer, maybe the best in the game, but I wanna play around with it
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp
Threats:
Gliscor- As of late this gives me a lot of problems, the gay ass sub protect toxic set eats me up if greninja is dead. I feel my only other out is having Dragonite with a pair of DD's but that's not a very consistant out. I need something for this definately.
Bird Spam- If rocks ain't up which most of the time they aren't against bird spam because blissey sucks agaisnt them they pummel me pretty hard after dnite is dead.
Excadrill- If sand is up, and this thing has sand rush with a balloon this is waaaay 2 terrifying. It outspeeds greninja and pummels my dragonite before i get the chance 2 hit it back. I need help agaisnt this
Suicune- I have no thunder or Grass move so CroCune is pretty much auto GG against me
Charizard X- Sometimes I get around him because most of the people who play him are scrubs, other times I get pumelled after a single DD. I need a more consistant answer to this.
Quagsire- Owns my soul sometimes because of unaware.
Clefabble- Calm mind Flamethrower variant is almost auto gg after set up
Baton pass losers- I get wrecked by this pretty bad. I dont have a quick taunter or roar to beat theam. I've thought about putting Haze on Greninja but iono I really don't like doing that.
Kyurem black- I always have to sacrifice a mon to revenge kill this thing, it tears me apart sometimes I REALLY need help against this.
Stall: I suffer in this matchup by just having 1 special sweeper
Conclusion:
So that's my team. I don't think it's bad by any means it's just that I feel it could really use some help. I've reached 2100 on PS before so I really don't think it's an issue of skill. I just need a more help to make it S tier.
Team Building Process:
Step 1 The Core- Greninja, Dragonite, Mawile
I copy and pasted the victory road core and after a few games I changed Mawile to SD because it tested better. not much to say here I was just looking for a good Greninja team
Step 2 Core + Defog= Greninja, Dragonite, Mawile, Scizor
The only Defogers ive liked is scizor So added him for the role, he has some flaws but does his job well mostly
Step 3 EQ and Fire Resist= Greninja, Dragonite, Mawill, Scizor and Talonflame
I got both of the things I wanted and gained offensive momentum do to u-turn and the best priority in the game. At this point I looked at my team and thougt. Damn Mega magnetric would just go to town on me. And now theat you think of it a lot of special sweepers work a big dent on this team. The offensive momentum was good, but if my opponent had more consistant offence I was pretty down.
Step 4- Insert Special Wall and rocks= Greninja, Dragonite, Mawile, Scizor and Blissey
I added bliss because I reaaaaally need a check to Greninja, Manetric and other Sp Attackers. She does this plus sets up rocks so I was Like ok lets get rocking.
The team:
The quick sweeper: Basically Greninja role is to Late game sweep once my Dragonite and Mawile have roughend up my oponents mons, or simply bust his way though bulky grounds so that the other half of the core can set up and win. Extrasensory is pretty crucial in this moveslot just for Mega Venusaur. I know I have TFlame but it's always nice to have more than out to that Pokemon. Its really good also against common threats like : Excadril, Landorus and Thundorus which are freaking everywhere this meta. Dark Pulse really helps against Rotom-W if they switch in predicting a Ice Beam.
Greninja @ Life Orb (I use this item to get guaranteed 0HKO on Dragonite but it's a real bummer having greninja kill himself, have considered switching it for lefties but still unsure, rest of his set is pretty standard)
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory
I changed the mawile from the victory road set to a SD with Iron Head set simply because Iron head helps a lot more against Fairys and Mega Venusaur. I really liked using sub but agaist a helluv a lot teams setting up SD is pretty much a win condition. Mawile somes in on predictable knock offs, mach punches, stone edge or other pokemon who would not threaten after a Intimidate. He really helps against Scarf Excadrill and Garchomp users trying to kill my talonflame and I got kind of a Dragon, fairy , steel core going on between him and dragonite. My ev's are kinda wack y could really use some suggestions on this one
Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 132 Spd / 252 Atk
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance
This is one of my favorite pokemon because it's so handy, Lum Berry helps a lot agaist Sash Breelom and Smeargle beause i just attack, because the other player will just think you are stupid and try to spore while you wake up from your lum and proceed to dragon claw and extreme speed. Works pretty well against Deo Sharps especially if they play aegislash predictably, if they got the substitute variant it gets pretty hard for my team. He's also my counter to Bird Spam but it gets pretty tough agaisnt them once this baby dies. Sometimes I wish I rad a bulky dd just so i can roost and take advantage of Multicale but then i would have to take off either EQ or Extremespeed. And I definately need EQ for friggin heatran and aegislash and extremespeed is just amazing period. I was thinking of running a banded set with Aqua tail insteat of DD for Gliscor but I haven't tested it yet. I really like this pokemon though, IMO he's the best dragon this meta.
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Extreme Speed
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
Here is where my flavor kicks in, I use scizor because frankly for me he's the best defogger. Sometimes I have problems against physical fire users because they hurt scizor, mawile and blissey, which is my usual switch into Fire attacks but I do think he adds a lot to the team. He comes in free against a lot of threats such as other scizors, landorus, fairys without flamethrower (which are becoming less common since pretty much every clefable is rocking flamethrower and even some greninjas are carrying hp fire). Still he has good recovery, good bulk and his bp and u turn still hit hard, he's the best defogger I've found but I'm willing for suggestions.
Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog
This mon is kind of a double edge sword, I feel it single handedly wins me games some times, and its a pretty decent rocks setter, but against some teams shes worthless. She's my special Wall and she does an amazing job at that, but with Keldeo becoming evermore prevalent she can't even wall one of the most common special threat, no to mention it's a friggin mix up every time i see a thundurus because if its packing superpower she's gonzo. I'm very willing to change her, but I need rocks so if you're gonna make any suggestions please keep that in mind. This being said Greninja does nothing to her, neither does volcarona, Charizard Y, Special based Thundurus, Landorus for the most part, zapdos, heatran, volcarona and any Latios or latias stupid enough to have psyshock instead of psychic.
Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Soft-Boiled
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
The reason I picked TFlame is because I wanted a EQ immunity and a resistance to fire, and also because I think TFlame and Greninja make a great pair. This set is really good and Will-o-Wisp is surprisingly amazing as well. Sometimes I think id rather switch this set for a bulky talonflame with lefties roost , will o wisp, flare blits and brave bird and then switch my dragonite to Choice band but I'm not very convinced by Tflames bulk. He really works well and is pretty instrumental on my team but I have so many physical sweepers I feel Stall really hurts me. This thing kinda helps agaisnt stall once its counters are dead but other times not really. He's a good revenge killer, maybe the best in the game, but I wanna play around with it
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp
Threats:
Gliscor- As of late this gives me a lot of problems, the gay ass sub protect toxic set eats me up if greninja is dead. I feel my only other out is having Dragonite with a pair of DD's but that's not a very consistant out. I need something for this definately.
Bird Spam- If rocks ain't up which most of the time they aren't against bird spam because blissey sucks agaisnt them they pummel me pretty hard after dnite is dead.
Excadrill- If sand is up, and this thing has sand rush with a balloon this is waaaay 2 terrifying. It outspeeds greninja and pummels my dragonite before i get the chance 2 hit it back. I need help agaisnt this
Suicune- I have no thunder or Grass move so CroCune is pretty much auto GG against me
Charizard X- Sometimes I get around him because most of the people who play him are scrubs, other times I get pumelled after a single DD. I need a more consistant answer to this.
Quagsire- Owns my soul sometimes because of unaware.
Clefabble- Calm mind Flamethrower variant is almost auto gg after set up
Baton pass losers- I get wrecked by this pretty bad. I dont have a quick taunter or roar to beat theam. I've thought about putting Haze on Greninja but iono I really don't like doing that.
Kyurem black- I always have to sacrifice a mon to revenge kill this thing, it tears me apart sometimes I REALLY need help against this.
Stall: I suffer in this matchup by just having 1 special sweeper
Conclusion:
So that's my team. I don't think it's bad by any means it's just that I feel it could really use some help. I've reached 2100 on PS before so I really don't think it's an issue of skill. I just need a more help to make it S tier.
