Team [wDS], Noob's awesome OU baton passing team!

[Say_Low]

Introduction:

Hello everyone. So, after been a regular visitor of Smogon, i decided that i should finally enter this so called 'Shoddy'. I had no idea what it was and out of sheer boredom, i downloaded it today. I have had no experience with competitive battling before, but like i have said, i have been a regular visitor of smogon forums so i knew the basics.
And to my astonishment, i have made quite a good team. I havent kept exact count, but my win loss is around like 12-6 or around there. Im quite proud of this, but obviously my team isnt perfect, thats why im here to ask for help and opinions! Please note, this is a Baton Passing team.
The main objective is to pass Swords Dance onto either Gyrados or Salamence. Obviously there is more, but that is the main objective, now, onto the team!

Team at a glance:

In Depth look:

Gliscor @ Lum Berry
Nature: Impish
Ability: Sand veil
Evs: HP 252, DEF 40, SPE 216
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Swords Dance
-Baton Pass

A bulky Gliscor lead with a slight twist. i opted to put swords dance and baton pass onto it. I know its a bit weird and to be honest, im not sure if im going to keep this guy. He gets Stealth rock up, and out of my few matches, he has successfully baton passed a swords dance onwards, but i am open to suggestions here for a new lead.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Ability: Synchronize
Evs: HP 252, SPE 164, SP.D 92
-Baton Pass
-Yawn
-Mean Look
-Wish

The star of the team. This guy is simply awesome. He is exremely bulky and can take a neutral hit from just about anything. he comes in mean looks, and proceeds to baton pass onto someone else. I usually baton pass to Latias who tricks her scarf to the opponent and they're basically screwed. I did this very thing to my opponents Roserade who was locked onto Leaf Storm and i went over to this guy...

Scizor @ Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Ability: Technician
Evs: HP 248, SPE 172, SP. D 88
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance
-Agility
-Bullet Punch

This guy gets so many switches, which results in him always getting an agility at least under his belt. The great thing about this is that, no one expects it. I mean, i know scizor is the most overused but everyone does the same god damn thing with him. (Which isnt a bad thing of course), but this guy with this set has been working wonders for me. I have no idea with his EVs and Nature but i did it for all the extra bulk i can get. this guy wont be hitting much. Bullet Punch is just finally for the nice Technician Stab Priority move.

Latias @ Choice scarf
Nature: Modest
Ability: Levitate
Evs: HP 4, SPE 252, SP. A 252
-Trick
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf

Latias works absolutelt fantastic with Umbreon. Once Umbreon has Mean Looked something, she usually switches out for Latias, who tricks the opponent, and they're usually screwed. With Scizors many resistances, i can then usually go to him, and set up to my own will. Or perhaps set up with latias herself with a few calm minds, OR set up with Gyrados and Salamence. Also, this thing does hit pretty hard.

Salamence @ Life Orb
Nature: Naughty
Ability: Intimidate
Evs: ATK 232, SPE 252, SP. A 24
-Dragon Dance
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake

A Mixmence with a twist. I chucked in Draco Meteor for the sheer power and then opted for physical moves to take advantage of Salamences awesome ATK stat. He is usually one of the recipents of swords dances from my team, but this guy can set up himself, and this guy, seriously won my first game for me all on his own, he took down 5 of the opponents team members haha.

Salamence @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
Evs: ATK 232, SPE 252, SP. A 24
-Dragon Dance
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake​

 

[Say_Low]

Sorry! it wont let me edit my post for some reason...

Forget that gyrados, sorry.

Gyrados @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
Evs: ATK 252, DEF 4 SPE 252-Dragon Dance
-Draco Dance
-Waterfall
-Ice Fang
-Earthquake

The last beast on my team, and im pretty sure this guy has taken out the most things. AFter a swords dance and preferablly an agility from Scizor, its GG. Its got an incredibly vast movepool, and an incredible ATK stat to maximise damage.

Anyway thanks people, and i would love a rate. Thank you and i look forward to peoples comments and opinions. any criticism is welcome. SO there you have it. Team wDS. TEAM WE DON'T STOP!

 

[kemono]

hmmmm

I'll try to be "soft" in my explanation

1) This ain't a Baton pass team, but a patchwork between BP chain and just some good sweepers

2) The base of BP chain is Smeargle with Roots , spore

3) you must have BP on ALL your pokemon

4) Scizor in BPC must have agility or sword dance or iron defense

5) Gyarados has nothing to do with BP, there are far better kills with this team: métagross, lucario

6) gliscor in baton pass must have the anti-ice berry

7) a driftblim with subtitute and calm mind can be good

Except all:
Playing Latias+Mixmence+Scizor and Gyara is nothing but easyness

Umbreon is useless, it's a thanks for Scizor@U-turn

Your mixmence sucks, its does nothing against Bronzong and gliscor under Light screen

 

[Delko]

Looks fine to me, but I still do have some suggestions:

- instead of baton pass and sword dance on Gliscor, use roost and taunt (for slower set-up leads)

- if you have both agility and sword dance on Scizor, wouldn't iron head be better then bullet punch? I do think so

Nothing else to say really.
Anyway Nice Team ^^
Hope I helped

 

[BinarySolo]

Just to be fair...

I'll try to be "soft" in my explanation

1) This ain't a Baton pass team, but a patchwork between BP chain and just some good sweepers

2) The base of BP chain is Smeargle with Roots , spore

3) you must have BP on ALL your pokemon

Not necessarily, many baton pass chains have 5 pokemon contributing to passing boosts, Ingrain and whatnot, then a reciever whose sole purpose is to attack.

4) Scizor in BPC must have agility or sword dance or iron defense

5) Gyarados has nothing to do with BP, there are far better kills with this team: métagross, lucario

6) gliscor in baton pass must have the anti-ice berry

Again, not necessary, but it is a good option. Lum berry is perfectly good too.

7) a driftblim with subtitute and calm mind can be good

Except all:
Playing Latias+Mixmence+Scizor and Gyara is nothing but easyness

I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say here, but I think it is along the lines of "Your Pokemon are too powerful" which isn't true. In the OP he mentions that he is new to competitive battling; you can hardly expect him to use less powerful Pokemon and obscure sets straight away.

Umbreon is useless, it's a thanks for Scizor@U-turn

Umbreon is far from useless; not every team has to have a Scizor and even then there are plenty of other pokemon to trap on the other team. Trapping a wall or pokemon locked into a NFE attack and boosting up is practically 'Good game'.

Your mixmence sucks, its does nothing against Bronzong and gliscor under Light screen

You say this as if every team ever created had a dual screen user, which is far from the truth. In all the time I have been battling competitively, I think I have seen Dual Screen used maybe 3 or 4 times. It isn't a common enough strategy to completely dismiss one of the most powerful pokemon in the game.

Also, since you pointed out so many 'problems' in this team, you probably should have tried to help and offer changes and alternatives, which is what rating teams is all about.

Now for an actual rate... With Salamence, although the extra power of Draco Meteor seems appealing at first, remember it will be dropping your special attack 2 stages each time you use it. Since you want to keep Mence in long enough to sweep, I would suggest Fire Blast over Draco Meteor. For one thing, you won't be walled by Skarmory or Levitating Bronzong anymore, and your SpA won't drop so you can use it more than once. Draco Meteor doesn't add any extra type coverage anyway, so I strongly recommend Fire Blast.

Gliscor and Umbreon are fine, but Umbreon doesn't have an attacking move. If you're strategy falls apart, it's pretty much death fodder. That's why I think Payback over Wish or Yawn is a good idea. They are both important moves so you can decide which once to scrap if any.

As BlackScizor mentioned, as long as Agility is on your Scizor set Iron Head would be a better option over Bullet Punch because Scizor doesn't fear priority and therefore won't need to use it himself after the boost.

Your Latias set has both Choice Scarf and Calm Mind. I can see that the plan is to trick it off to something and later on Calm Mind up, but it seems counterproductive. I think you should either replace Calm Mind for another attack and make it a Scarf Latias or replace the Scarf with Leftovers or Life Orb and use this set:

Latias@Life Orb
Levitate
Timid/Modest
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Recover/ other attack if using Leftovers
Dragon Pulse
Calm Mind
Surf

Gyara looks fine, so I'm done. Good luck with the team!

 

[kemono]

I'm sorry to say that but all non exlusive BP chain i faced were really middle quality, however well played full baton pass chain screwed me with ease, this is an example.

Smeargle@focus sash
Ingrain
Spore
Super fang
Baton pass

Gliscor@anti ice berry
Roost
Earthquake
Agility
baton pass

Scizor@Shed shell
Bullet punch
x Scissor
Sword Dance
Baton pass

Driftblim@petaya berry
Substitute
Shadow ball
Hidden power fighting
Baton pass

Celebi@leftovers
Calm mind
Recover
Grass Knot
Baton pass

Lucario@life orb
Extreme speed
Aurasphere/close comabt
Dragon pulse
Dark pulse/crunch/shadow claw/shadow ball

this was the BP that destroyed me, take some examples of it and test it

 

[ginganinja]

while i believe that it is difficult to make a 1/2 sweeper 1/2 BP team kemono's comments are unfair and unhelpful.

I think that Gliscor might not be best in a lead position as fast leads like Aerodactyl or suicide leads like exploding Metagross (among others) weaken your chain. Giscor could fuction in the middle of your team and come in on its resistances and then boost and BP away. Perhaps a suicide lead of your own may prevent pokemon from breaking your chain.

If you were worried about duel screens (you shouldn't) brick break on salamence can help with this.

 

[Say_Low]

I'll try to be "soft" in my explanation

1) This ain't a Baton pass team, but a patchwork between BP chain and just some good sweepers

2) The base of BP chain is Smeargle with Roots , spore

3) you must have BP on ALL your pokemon

4) Scizor in BPC must have agility or sword dance or iron defense

5) Gyarados has nothing to do with BP, there are far better kills with this team: métagross, lucario

6) gliscor in baton pass must have the anti-ice berry

7) a driftblim with subtitute and calm mind can be good

Except all:
Playing Latias+Mixmence+Scizor and Gyara is nothing but easyness

Umbreon is useless, it's a thanks for Scizor@U-turn

Your mixmence sucks, its does nothing against Bronzong and gliscor under Light screen

Thanks for the comments to people who have responded so far. Firstly i would like to address a few comments made by Kemeno.

1. Ok, you may be right, but i didn't realise that every single pokemon on my team had to have BP. Like if everyone had BP, then wouldnt there be no designated sweeper at the end to take care of things? Gyrados and Salamence are the recipients of usually swords dance and agility from Scizor. Latias is usually the recipient of a poke trapped by Umbreon, who i then proceed to trick them into a NVE move and which leaves me to spam calm mind.

2. I'm not sure this is exactly correct. Don't some Baton Pass teams usually start off with a Ninjask? Of course having a Smeargle can be effictive, but i find it too slow and frail for my liking.

3. I dont agree with this. This is silly as then, after a swords dance, agility, calm mind. etc being passed around, there would be no designated 'powerhouse' to utilize these and take it for full effect. Thats why i have Gyrados and Salamence on the team. And on the team you posted as the BP team that screwed you over, you had a Lucario, which didnt have BP, so..

4. Well, My scizor DOES in fact have Agility and Swords Dance so im not sure what you were saying.

5. You may be right, and in fact i may change Gyrados out because him and Mence are both weak to Stealth Rock. But on the other hand, he can set up himself, with a DD and proceed to sweep. However you are correct, and i could change to a Metagross or a Luke soon.

6. Im not sure if its a must, but i will definently take it into consideration.

7. I'm not sure, i know Drifblims are effective with big Subs, but my team seems to focus more on ATK and SPE. I know it could pass it onto Latias, and i'll keep a drifblim in mind if i feel i need it.

Except all:
I'm not sure what you mean by "Playing Latias+Mixmence+Scizor and Gyara is nothing but easyness"

Do you mean i am using pokemon which are easy to use? But heck, you could say that for heaps of people. I am new to this, so im adjusting and so far i like how it is. And tbh, my Scizor isn't the stock standard CB set so, im not sure how this is 'easyness..'

Umbreon is not useless. The whole point of it is to trap something with mean look, proceed to pass it onto lets say, Latias, who tricks it into a move, and proceed to spam Calm Mind.

And i have changed my Salamence, i do agree, it wasnt the best it could be. Heres my new Mence:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
Evs: ATK 252, SPE 252, HP 4
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang

I opted to go for a purely physical Mence to make the most of its monstrous 400 ATK stat. i agree that a bronzong and skarmory would wall me to china so i opted to go fire fang. It has lower power than flamethrower and Fire Blast but its Atk stat is monstrous and im pretty sure that in the end, it is more powerful.

Thanks and i look forward to more rates!

 

[Shagglez]

Hello!

First of all, id like to suggest a few pokemon that would really help your baton pass team. The first is a smeargle

Smeargle-Jolly@shed shell/leftovers
Evs. 96hp,120 def, 40sp.def, 252 speed
-spore
-ingrain
-substitue/spider web
-baton pass

Most Baton Pass teams use Smeargle as its ability to pass on Ingrain basically leaves any phazing attempt(bar perish song) to be completly redundant. Spore is pretty much a staple on any smeargle set as its a 100% accurate sleep move, Substitute and spider web is a choice that i feel if most important to your team. You could pass of a sub to a sweeper and then protect it from staus like burn, but if you chose spiderweb, it pretty much makes your Umbreon useless as its trapping skills are filled by Smeargle.

If you chose spider web, you can replace your umbreon with another baton passer pokemon. People have already mentioned close to all of them, however one of my personal favourites to use is Lopunny and i personally think its a great addition to any BP teams.

Lopunny-Jolly@ IronBall
Evs. 252hp,4 sp.def, 252 speed
-Switcheroo
-Charm
-Encore
-Baton Pass

This is a set ive used before, i came up with it as being the ultimate screw over pokemon. This accomplishes what your Latias is doing, but on a much larger scale. Because of Klutz, Lopunny isnt affect by the iron Ball, and the one reason ive placed it over Lagging tail is that it grounds flying types making earthquake able to hit them. Encore is for genral screw over, again work great with a trapped pokemon and encore sweetens the deal by crippling your opponents attack, making the pass into one of your sweepers much more light. The EVs are to maximise speed and HP and the reason ive chucked 4 into sp.def is because Charm makes taking physical hits easier and is useless on Lopunny and besides, Lopunny has decent Sp.Def.

For your salamence, id suggest using the standard set as it is most affective

Salamence-Naughty@ LifeOrb
Evs.232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Fire Blast / Stone Edge / Dragon Claw