The Aura Guardian

Mithril

is a Two-Time Past WCoP Champion
So here is my latest OU team, and it is by far my most successful team as of yet. It has only lost four battles over 50 battles. This is for Wi-Fi, and and rates would be much appreciated.

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Swampert
Relaxed @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 SpA
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Roar
Swampert has always been one of the most consistent leads for me, getting Stealth Rock up most of the time. I went with Roar just so I didnt have to deal with the annoying Baton Passers. He is also my secondary answer to Heatran. Main switch into Electivire, Jolteon, Metagross..etc. Swampert also helps deal with Gliscor, the main Lucario counter in the metagame.

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Latias
Timid @ Leftovers/Life Orb
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-HP Fire
-Recover/Surf
Latias is the main special attacker on my team, while also serving as the answer to the ever annoying Infernape. He is also my secondary Sweeper, with nearly unresisted coverage with Dragon Pulse and HP Fire. I am considering replacing Recover with Surf and going more offensive with life orb, any opinions?

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Porygon2
Bold @ Leftovers
252 HP/216 Def/40 SpA
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Thunder Wave
-Recover
Porygon2 is the glue to my team, helping deal with many of the main threats in OU. It destroys DD Salamence, Gyarados, Heatran, and Jolteon with trace, threatening to either KO or cripple with Thunder Wave. Recover is an obvious choice.

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Jirachi
Jolly @ Choice Scarf
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Iron Head
-Fire Punch
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
Scarf Jirachi helps with checking many threats in the OU metagame. He is my only real answer to the ever present Scizor, and my main switch in to lucario. Also helps as my secondary option for Gyarados, and probably the only answer to Tyranitar and Mamoswine on the team. Also helps with Zapdos, a common switch in to Lucario.

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Salamence
Naive @ Life Orb
24 Atk/232 SpA/252 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Flamethrower
-Brick Break
-Roost
Mix Mence is here to basically rip holes in the opponents team, which will then be crushed by Lucario. Not all that much to say about Salamence. Helpful for enemy Skarmory and Bronzong, as well as Metagross because it is one of the few members on my team with a fire move. Also, the lack of accuracy with Fire Blast annoys me, so I normally go with Flamethrower. Greatly helps prepare for the imminent Lucario sweep.

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Lucario
Adament @ Life Orb
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Extremespeed
Crunch
Lucario, the star of the show. After counters such as Gliscor, Zapdos, and Weezing are out of the way, I can proceed to SD and sweep. Close Combat and Extremespeed are self explanatory. I decided to go with Adament and Crunch for the added power, and the ability to deal with Rotom-A and Dusknoir. I do not have to worry about Gliscor, as Swampert already deals with it, so no ice punch.

Credit for the images goes to www.arkeis.com.

So there is my team, please rate/comment to improve my team, and just as a reminder, this team is for Wi-Fi.
Thanks, Dukefan5
 
I think you should keep both leftovers and recover on latias as they give you the opportunity to extend your setting up. What I think you should change is HP fire with surf.
However, I didn't see anything on your team that can 100% prevent an Empoleon from ruining your team. It can use grass knot to sweep your Swampert, ice beam for latias, salamence and surf to the rest of your team.
Everyhting else was good.
 
Hey dukefan5, I'm going to try and give you a good rate. Your team overall would seem to struggle with a stall oriented Gliscor, and even more so, Zapdos. This is a big problem because you're aiming at a Lucario Sweep. I'll try and help correct this:

Swampert - Standard, but effective. Definitely one of my favorite leads. I wouldn't change a thing.

Latias - I don't Latias as a set-up sweeper since it's often just Pursuit-bait. I would change it to this set:

Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid nature (+Speed, -Attack)
~ Draco Meteor
~ Recover
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt

This set offers you great type-coverage and gives Latias an offensive approach. When I use this set, I usually try to use Surf first, as a way to scout for Tyranitar and Scizor.

Porygon2 - Get rid of it. Having both Jirachi as a revenge killer, and using this P2 is like using two Pokemon for the same thing. The only thing P2 can really counter that's Jirachi can't is Swampert and Heatran, where as Scizor and Lucario can still walk all over P2. What I'm going to suggest will help you deal with Swampert, Heatran, and will fix your Gliscor/Zapdos problem.

Try this:

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 184 SpD / 76 Spe
Timid nature (+Speed, -Attack)
~ Substitute
~ Roost
~ Thunderbolt
~ Toxic

Use Toxic on enemy Zapdos and Gliscor (you can run max speed to outpace max speed Taunt-Gliscor). Thunderbolt is for STAB, Roost for healing, and you generally use Substitute on the switch. Pretty simple. This should help with most of the Pokemon who give Lucario problems.


Jirachi - Great revenge killer, but I would switch to Adamant for more power and drop Ice Punch for Trick to help you deal with walls, and Stat-uppers like especially all versions of Crocune (because both stalling Crocune and Offensive Cune can give this team problems). I think you can afford the loss of coverage against Mence since you have priority and Salamence will often time be losing 10% of its health each turn. You're giving up a bit of security against Salamence for more help against stall oriented Pokemon, like Zapdos and Gliscor for example.

Salamence - Again, pretty standard. A great wall-breaker and my favorite set for Mence (although I use FB instead of Flamethrower). But that's purely circumstantial and a question of Accuracy vs. Power.

Lucario - Not much to say here. SD Luke is a powerful late game sweeper. I wouldn't change anything.

Final Note: You may want to beef up your descriptions or this thread could get locked.

Good luck with the team!
 
The biggest issue I have with the changes you suggest is it make my team get completely destroyed by Salamence. With Adament Jirachi and Zapdos over Porygon2, DDMence will completely walk over my team. This is an issue because Salamence is one of the most used pokemon in the metagame. I will consider changing Latias, although being Pursuit bait gives me great chances to set up the Swords Dance sweep with Lucario. I havent had any problems with Zapdos or Gliscor, so I don't really want to change Porygon2 out.
Thanks for the suggestions, and are there any other suggestions for this team?
 
In place of Porygon2, an Expert Belt BaitTar would work well. BaitTar can trap Rotom-h and Jolteon with Pursuit, and can Pursuit or Crunch any non-Specs Latias. Your team would also benefit from removing Scizor, which BaitTar can lure out and then KO with Flamethrower. Removing Latias, Rotom-h, and Scizor from your opponent's team would be helpful because there would be fewer things that could revenge-kill Lucario, Latias or Salamence. Luring out and KOing the main threats to your sweepers are something that a Bulky Offense team like yours should be doing, as it advances your goal of getting a clean sweep.

Tyranitar's Sand Stream would also help your team. 4/6 of your members would be immune to Sand damage, and the sand damage done to your opponents' Pokemon make it easier to sweep. Sand Stream also helps by negating Rain Dance, and seeing as your team is currently Rain Dance Kingdra weak, this would be helpful.

So please try out a BaitTar over your Porygon2. I know from experience that the Latias / BaitTar / SDLuke combination works well.
 
For your Jirachi, change ThunderPunch to Thunderbolt to better deal with Skarmory. Plus, ThunderBolt isn't hindered by Intimidate, so Gyarados is hit harder.

Against a standard 252 HP / 64 Atk / 176 Def / 16 Spe Skarmory:

24.6% - 29.3% - ThunderPunch
55.1% - 65.3% - Thunderbolt

In addition to the aforementioned move switch, change Jirachi's nature to Naive, so its special attack stat won't be hindered when using Thunderbolt.
 
dukefan5 said:
The biggest issue I have with the changes you suggest is it make my team get completely destroyed by Salamence. With Adament Jirachi and Zapdos over Porygon2, DDMence will completely walk over my team. This is an issue because Salamence is one of the most used pokemon in the metagame. I will consider changing Latias, although being Pursuit bait gives me great chances to set up the Swords Dance sweep with Lucario. I havent had any problems with Zapdos or Gliscor, so I don't really want to change Porygon2 out.
Thanks for the suggestions, and are there any other suggestions for this team?
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Well, you could all always run Jolly over Adamant, but the fact is DDmence really doesn't have any place to set up on your team. Look at your team and you'll see it. Also, Latias will still lure out Scizor and T-tar but the set I suggested just gives it more firepower. Porygon2 is dead weight and I don't see how Zapdos and Gliscor don't give this team problems. How do you deal with them? Maybe you should provide a threat list?

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Also, as I said, Suicune can be a big threat to this team, both offensive and defensive versions. So you'll want to add Trick to Jirachi.
 
Well, you could all always run Jolly over Adamant, but the fact is DDmence really doesn't have any place to set up on your team. Look at your team and you'll see it. Also, Latias will still lure out Scizor and T-tar but the set I suggested just gives it more firepower. Porygon2 is dead weight and I don't see how Zapdos and Gliscor don't give this team problems. How do you deal with them? Maybe you should provide a threat list?

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Also, as I said, Suicune can be a big threat to this team, both offensive and defensive versions. So you'll want to add Trick to Jirachi.
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I disagree and agree with Senz, yes, I would add trick to Jirachi otherwise CM suicune rips through your entire team after it gets going.

However, YOU NEED to run Jolly Jirachi. Senz says that you can run adamant because Salamence has no place to set up. It is exactly Jirachi, the one thing ment to counter Salamence, that will ruin you. You finish off a Scizor, locked into Fire punch on Jirachi, he switches into a NAIVE dd mence. Sure, you can hope for a burn hax, but other than that, after a DD, its pretty much gg. Intimidate means that Fire Punch isnt doing anything, a non-stab 70 move is plain useless to it. Therefore, running Jolly Jirachi is your only semi-secure way of countering that mence.

~~ My own input, use the life orb set that was suggested above, no calm mind, no leftovers. Test out Jolly Luke, I always end up Lucario vs Lucario in some of my battles, and most people run adamant. Jolly > Adamant. Also, people run offensive Rotoms specifically to outspeed the Max speed adamant benchmark. If you run jolly w\ crunch, you'll catch them by surprise. Just test it out, if you miss out on KO's, switch back. Decent team, 8/10.
 
Plus, ThunderBolt isn't hindered by Intimidate, so Gyarados is hit harder.
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Just noticed your little mistake there symphonia, but he knows what you mean.

dukefan5, I agree with the uselessness of Porygon2 on this team, as well as the fact that he lures Fighting attacks, to which you only have 1 resist. I suggest using a Rotom-H like this:

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Spd / 68 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp

I'm sure lots of you other RMT'ers are going "of course..."
He provides you some status, a spin blocker for Swampert, a check to Lucario, Scizor, etc. and like I said you needed, a Fighting resist (immunity). And yes guys, this is from Sprinkles' RMT.

If however you are unable to obtain Rotom formes for your DS because you lack the power of hax, a Secret Key... Keep what ya have. And get decimated by enemy Lucario and Scizor.
 
I think you're worrying too much about one single Pokemon of one single moveset. It's impossible to cover every single threat in the metagame. The changes I suggested make your team stronger as a whole while (as CT pointed out) leaving a slight opening for DDmence. But between Swampert, and priority Lucario, along with SR and Life Orb. Salamence will get worn down rather quickly.

I suppose if DDmence really has you that frightened. You could switch your Jirachi and Laitas sets to these:

Jirachi @ Expert Belt
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpA
Jolly nature (+Speed, -Special Attack)
~ Iron Head
~ Fire Punch
~ Ice Punch
~ Thunderbolt/Grass Knot

Jirachi becomes a wall breaking sweeper. I've used this set to great success on Shoddy since people always think I'm scarfed and will make what they think is a smart switch only to get hit with a SE move.

Latias @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid nature (+Speed, -Attack)
~ Draco Meteor
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~ Trick

When I think about it now, I should have suggested these sets from the beginning. This will let you revenge DDmence, give you the Pursuit bait you so desire, and you have Trick to cripple walls or Crocune/Curselax/etc.
 
DarkCyberElf said:
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dukefan5, I agree with the uselessness of Porygon2 on this team, as well as the fact that he lures Fighting attacks, to which you only have 1 resist. I suggest using a Rotom-H like this:

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Spd / 68 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp

I'm sure lots of you other RMT'ers are going "of course..."
He provides you some status, a spin blocker for Swampert, a check to Lucario, Scizor, etc. and like I said you needed, a Fighting resist (immunity). And yes guys, this is from Sprinkles' RMT.

If however you are unable to obtain Rotom formes for your DS because you lack the power of hax, a Secret Key... Keep what ya have. And get decimated by enemy Lucario and Scizor.
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I think that, because it's a wi-fi team, he's unable to use Rotom formes. They're disabled over wi-fi, so that piece of his team (and threats to it) has entirely disappeared.
 
If you want to beat Rotom-A with Lucario, then Lucario should run Jolly. I used a Lucario (Adamant) against one and lost a huge chunk of health. It stopped my sweep. So, Jolly might be better on Lucario.

EDIT: The title of your team is quite amusing to me.
 
Ok, it seems like it is common idea that i should replace porygon2. Also, i guess I can replace Ice Punch on Jirachi for Trick, as I can use Iron Head to hopefully flinch hax Salamence.

On Latias, I was considering changing its set to:
Latias
Timid @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
-Draco Meteor
-Hp Fire
-Thunderbolt
-Recover

It would give me more of an offensive punch, while still allowing me to lure and kill opposing Scizor. Thunderbolt would also help with my Empoleon weakness.

Unfortunately, Rotom forms are out since this is for Wi-Fi, so are there any other options I could use to replace Porygon2?

I will attempt that Zapdos set and see how it works out, and get back to you on that. Thanks for the rate, and sorry for being stubborn when it came to Porygon2.
 
dukefan5 said:
Ok, it seems like it is common idea that i should replace porygon2. Also, i guess I can replace Ice Punch on Jirachi for Trick, as I can use Iron Head to hopefully flinch hax Salamence.

On Latias, I was considering changing its set to:
Latias
Timid @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
-Draco Meteor
-Hp Fire
-Thunderbolt
-Recover

It would give me more of an offensive punch, while still allowing me to lure and kill opposing Scizor. Thunderbolt would also help with my Empoleon weakness.

Unfortunately, Rotom forms are out since this is for Wi-Fi, so are there any other options I could use to replace Porygon2?

I will attempt that Zapdos set and see how it works out, and get back to you on that. Thanks for the rate, and sorry for being stubborn when it came to Porygon2.
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On Latias, I would change Thunderbolt for Surf. Having Thunderbolt on Latias isn't going to stop Empoleon from setting up on your team. The reason is because Empoleon will come in on something like a Choice-locked Jirachi and use agility while you switch to Latias, allowing it to keep subbing up until it gets the Petaya boost, then taking Latias out with Ice Beam.

Also, Surf doesn't leave you totally helpless against Tyranitar. I would test them both out to be sure, but I think Surf is the better option of the two in this particular case.
 
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