The Beast and The Harlot

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Ah,this is my first Rate My Team thread although i have like a billion teams :P.It is one of my most successful teams.I have been winning a majority of the matches.Making many mistakes along the way.
I am relying on the Beasts ( Scizor , Tyranitar and Gyarados ) to open up for Latias ( the Harlot ) to sweep.
It has been very successful for me since i usually manage to get either Latias or Gyarados to sweep.



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Metagross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 236 HP/252 Atk/20 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Meteor Mash
A Strong STAB attack , hurts most Leads that don’t resist it.

Bullet Punch
Swift Attack that helps kill Pokemon with very little HP left.

Explosion
Explosion, usually nets me a kill every game it helps break down the counters for most of my sweepers.

Stealth Rock
Very important for all teams , it gives me an Edge on those who are weak to Stealth Rocks.

Description: One of my favorite leads which won’t fail to net me a kill. It helps my Latias sweep as usually, Infernape and Heatran switches in to it.
I can then switch to Latias then proceed to Set up.
Meteor Mash + Bullet Punch kills MOST leads.

EVs: 236 HP helps take hits , 252 Attack guarantees a kill ( with explosion ) on Hippowdon and Swampert. 20 Speed to outrun Skarmory.

How it helps the team : It gives me a very healthy start if I have stealth rocks up early.

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Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 80 HP/176 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Recover
A important recovery move , helping me restore HP from attacks , and from the HP I use to Subsitute.

Calm Mind
A powerful stat up-ing move for Latias. Many Super Effective moves can fail to break my Subsitute after a Calm Mind.

Substitute
Helps me to block Status and hide behind it . It also has helped me avoid Heatran’s explosion

Dragon Pulse
Main attacking move after I have gotten enough boosts.

Description : One of the best Calm Minders IMO. It has gotten me many 5-0s ( Metagross exploded in all games I have had so far ;/ )

EVs: 176 Speed to outrun Positive base 100s , Max SpAttack to hit as hard as possible and 80 HP to help take hits better.

How it helps the team : It lures out its common counters and help open up for my other Pokemons to sweep. A Scizor switch in could mean a Gyarados sweep for me.
It also counters Infernape to a certain extent ( I have a very obvious MixApe Weakness on this team )

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Substitute
Helps me out-stall pokemon with Leech Seed and blocks status.

Leech Seed
A very important move .It gives support to my sweepers.My Gyarados switching into CB Scizor with Leech Seed can almost mean taking little damage.

Psychic
It hits Grass types who blocks Leech Seed and with 176 Speed , I can outrun Jolly Lucario and OHKO it if its at -1 SDef

Recover/Baton Pass
Ah, I m stuck. Not sure what to use. My Substitute is usually broken through before I can Pass it . Recover gives a good recovery boost to Celebi since I m usually losing HP from Substituting even with Leech Seed.

Description : Very good supporter in the team. Leech Seed has helped me stall a lot of long battles.

EVs : 252 HP for 101 HP Subs so that Seismic Tosses won’t break it. Timid 176 Speed so I can outrun Positive base 90s. 80 Special Attack to hit harder.

How it helps the team : It gives a very much needed recovery to my team via Leech Seed and helps take hits.

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Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 176 HP/156 Atk/176 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Stone Edge
A very hard hitting move coming off 565 Attack. Hurts about anything that doesn’t resist it.

Pursuit
Ultimate trapping move. Scarf Rotom stuck into attacks like T-bolt, Shadow Ball and Overheat will die to pursuit.
Starmies and Celebis will also die to pursuit.

Earthquake
Very useful attack. KOs Heatrans when I don’t wanna use Stone edge due to its accuracy.

Crunch
Powerful attack even when burned , I can still 2HKO Rotoms with Crunch.
Hurts most psychic and ghost types.

Description : Very important revenge killer for my team. Usually switches into Psychics who otherwise revenge kills my Gyarados or Paralyze it with T-wave or kill it with T-Bolt.

EVs: Not very sure on this , just a random number I came up with to take Special hits better and still Hit Hard.

How it helps the team : Hmm.. Take most special hits and revenge kill pokes ? ;/





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Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 200 HP/252 Atk/56 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Bullet Punch
Hard hitting attack which makes it a extremely good revenge killer

U-turn
Scouts for switches and hurt most who doesn’t resist it.

Superpower
For hurting steels and OHKO-ing blissey.

Pursuit
Kills anything that gets hit by a Super Effective Pursuit , regardless switching or not.


Description : My second Revenge killer. It has also netted me a lot of kills. It helps with my Tyranitar weakness.

EVs : 56 Speed to outrun Skarmory , Max Attack to hit as hard as possible and 200 HP to take most hits better.

How it helps the team : It makes a good counter for Latias who would otherwise rampage through my team without Tyranitar. It usually comes in and kill weaken pokemons with Bullet Punch.




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Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP/248 Atk/176 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Dragon Dance
The stat up-ing move of Gyarados. After one Dragon Dance , it outruns Positive base 115s and hits hard.

Waterfall
Main STAB move which is probably most hurting to all who don’t resist it ( not named skarmory )

Stone Edge
With 248 Attack EVs , it usually guarantees a kill on Opposing flying types like Salamence , Gyarados and Zapdos.

Earthquake
Kills all Scarf Magnezone switch in who expect to switch in or thinking that it can kill me , surviving the Waterfall.

Description : My only Scizor counter .If it’s a SD Scizor , I’d have problems with it tho.It is a great late game sweeper when its Counters are usually wiped out.

EVs : 84 HP for hitting the Leftovers recovery point , 176 Speed to outrun Positive base 115s after a DD and 248 Attack to hit hard.

How it helps the team : It intimidates Physical sweepers , switch in to SD Lucario ( if it doesn’t have Stone Edge ) and KO it with Earthquake. It also makes a excellence switch in to Scizor who otherwise just rape my team


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Offensive Threat List

Aerodactyl: Metagross and Scizor can KO / 2HKO it with Bullet Punch

Alakazam: Scizor if its Life Orb-ed . Celebi and Latias if its Specs and Locked into a resisted move.

Azelf: Latias and Tyranitar if it doesn’t explodes.

Breloom: Latias and Celebi and block Spore with Sub and kill it with their Respective STAB move.

Dragonite: Not much , if it’s a DD Dragonite , Scizor hopefully is able to KO it with Bullet Punch.

Dugtrio: Scizor can revenge kill with Bullet Punch or Pursuit.

Electivire: Come to think of it , nothing. However I have not electric moves on my team , so I wouldn’t face major problems with it.

Empoleon: Nothing much, I can only go to Latias and hopefully Calm mind up then kill it with Dragon pulse.

Flygon: Hmm Scizor can revenge kill it and Gyarados can switch into most attacks for Scarf-ed Flygon.

Gengar: Tyranitar and Scizor

Gyarados: Not much. Only Gyarados and Latias have a chance on switching into it.


Heatran: Latias and Gyarados.

Heracross: Gyarados if its not using Stone edge.

Infernape: Latias and Gyarados.

Jirachi: If its CM Rachi , my only hope is Tyranitar. If its Flinch ones , my only hope is Gyarados.

Jolteon: Latias if its Choiced and locked into T-bolt

Kingdra: Not much , Probably Gyarados for intimidate then Scizor and weaken it with U-turn.

Latias: Scizor and Tyranitar

Lucario: Gyarados for SD Variants without Stone Edge

Machamp: Gyarados , Latias and Celebi might do well against it .

Magnezone: Latias and Celebi for Scarfed/ Specs Magnezone locked into T-Bolt.

Mamoswine: Not much , only Scizor can fare well against it ( only works in revenge killing )

Metagross: Again , nothing much. Agiligross rips through my team . Scizor is my only hope against it , hitting it hard with U-turn.

Porygon-Z: Scizor can revenge kill it .

Rhyperior: SubPerior is just trouble for me and I could only rely on Scizor , Gyarados.

Salamence: Scizor can revenge kill most DD Mence with Bullet Punch and if it’s a MixMence , Latias can outspeed and revenge kill.

Scizor: Gyarados.

Starmie: Latias and Tyranitar

Togekiss: Latias

Tyranitar: I have to rely on Scizor to revenge kill it

Weavile: Scizor , Metagross and Gyarados.

Yanmega: Nothing much, Gyarados is 2HKOed by Air slash so , I can only hopefully revenge kill it with Stone Edge.





Defensive Threat List:

Blissey: Scizor and Tyranitar

Bronzong: Nothing much ;/ Celebi’s Leech seed probably

Celebi: Scizor and Tyranitar.

Cresselia: Scizor and Tyranitar

Donphan: : Latias and Celebi

Forretress: Nothing much

Gliscor: Latias to a extent and Metagross’s explosion.

Skarmory: Annoying bugger nothing to OHKO it and it walls the fuck out of my team .

Snorlax: Scizor’s Superpower.

Suicune: Latias if it doesn’t have Roar.

Swampert: Celebi and Latias

Tentacruel: Latias and Gyarados

Vaporeon: Latias

Zapdos: Latias

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Credits to Panamaxis for format.

This team is sort of inspired by Avenged Sevenfold and their song ' Beast and the Harlot ' so yet kudos to them too.

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I haven't laddered alot recently . Probably ~ 20 Matches. So please give me comments on any weakness i have.
 
I'm only replying because I like the song...

Hmmm...anyways you really need Grass Knot on Celebi. Despite your lack of defence EV's it can still take on Gyarados pretty well, since either way it almost sweeps your entire team. Also Psychic is just asking for Tyranitar to switch in for free and do whatever the hell it wants to do.

Also as of now any form of bulky water can have a good shot at sweepinf you, such as CursePert. Your only option would be to explode on it with Metagross, since it will outstall Gyarados and Latias.

Yea...thats all I can think of.
 
Hi there.

Your team is quite weak to Scizor as a whole. It doesn't mind switching into a lot of your Pokemon (Latias, Celebi, Tyranitar locked into Pursuit / Crunch) much at all, and can threaten them with any of Bullet Punch, Pursuit, or U-turn. I know you have a Gyarados to take Scizor on, but it really doesn't enjoy taking U-turn. That's the thing with CB Scizor - with U-turn it will weaken its counter throughout the game, switching to a counter for that counter repeatedly and never giving it the chance to recover or pose a threat. U-turn can do up to 26% to your Gyarados, meaning that after SR, it will be sitting at around half its health. At 25% on its next switch in, Gyarados doesn't look like that hot a Scizor counter anymore, does it? However, I think we can really use your Scizor weakness to your advantage. It loves to switch into so many of your Pokemon - let's entice it to do so and take it out by surprise there and then, opening the door for your sweepers to not be threatened by it later on in the game. This is of particular importance to your Latias, as with Dragon Pulse as a solitary attack, it will not be achieving much at all while there is a Scizor on the opposing team.

Your Celebi is the Pokemon I'm thinking of using as a lure. Scizor generally has very little to fear from Celebi, with a 4x resistance to Grass Knot, a 2x resistance to Psychic, and a low enough Speed to not be daunted by Thunder Wave. It will switch in and threaten to either kill you with U-turn or gain the switch advantage if you decide to switch Celebi out. This is why I think you should change Celebi over to the following set:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Natural Cure - Bold
252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe

~ Grass Knot
~ Hidden Power Fire
~ Recover
~ Thunder Wave

I have my doubts about the efficacy of the set you are currently running on Celebi. Firstly, with Natural Cure, Celebi is not unduly worried by status, and using Substitute to block it is definitely not worth a moveslot. So out with Substitute. Secondly, Grass Knot is undoubtedly the better of Celebi's STAB attacks to use on it. It allows it to function as a Gyarados counter, as well as warding off Tyranitar as Grass Knot will 2HKO even max HP variants. Now I'll explain the basis of this set here. Hidden Power Fire is the crux - this is how Celebi will be our lure. When Scizor comes in to threaten you with U-turn, use HP Fire to roast it immediately. With Scizor out the way, Latias, Tyranitar, and Celebi itself will enjoy so much more freedom and will be a lot more useful. Recover is necessary for the instant recovery - never forgo Recover on a Celebi. Leech Seed is nowhere near as reliable. Finally, Thunder Wave is chosen over Leech Seed in the last slot so that you can also threaten Heatran switchins, as well as spreading paralysis for your slow Tyranitar and Scizor to take advantage off. Latias also loves paralysis on the opposing Pokemon, as it = free sub = free CM = happy Latias. It also means that you can now deal with several of the Pokemon you highlighted on your threat list as being problematic - Thunder Wave will cripple Salamence, Dragonite, and AgiliGross, making them a lot easier for the rest of your team to deal with.

Alright, currently your Tyranitar and Scizor are fulfilling pretty much the exact same role - "strong CBer with Pursuit". I think Choice Band is locking you in too much here if you choose to run two users of it on this team. Scizor does the CBer job immensely well, and outclasses Tyranitar as a Pursuit user (as it is not weak to the attacks the common Pursuit targets use, e.g. Focus Blast, Surf, Grass Knot, etc). Let's make the most of our Scizor-slaying-Celebi lure, and make Tyranitar a Dragon Dance variant:

Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Sand Stream - Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

~ Dragon Dance
~ Crunch
~ Stone Edge
~ Earthquake

Remove opposing Scizor from the equation and the DD Ttar weaknesses you can exploit are astounding. The number of teams that use Scizor's Bullet Punch as the sole answer to the dancing dino is just that high. This Tyranitar works as a great mid game Pokemon, as well as a devastating end game one. Jolly allows you to outspeed the super-fast Pokemon that Adamant wouldn't - in particular, Infernape, Latias, Gengar, Azelf, and Starmie. You don't have Earthquake on your Metagross, and any Hippowdon leads should really be taken care of by Gross' Explosion, Gyarados' Waterfall, and Celebi's Grass Knot, so I think Earthquake is definitely the preferable move here. Crunch and Stone Edge are solid STAB attacks no Tyranitar should be without. Expert Belt helps mitigate some of the power loss from running Jolly, and nabs you some key KOs - most notably on Celebi with Crunch after a DD. Lum Berry can be used for some extra insurance, but I really think that with Celebi to take stray Thunder Waves and Metagross already using a Lum, Expert Belt is definitely the preferable item.

I would also suggest changing your Gyarados' EV spread up a bit. Right now, the 176 Speed EVs you are running put your stat at 242. Funnily enough, the Jolly Tyranitar I just recommended sits at 243. You want your Gyarados to be outspeeding all Tyranitar you face - hitting them with a Waterfall before they can hit you with Stone Edge quite literally is a do or die situation. I would bump Gyarados' Speed up to 246 - this will outspeed the common Pokemon that sit at 245 to outspeed Tyranitar (Celebi, Zapdos, Tentacruel). This would require 192 EVs, so what I'm suggesting is you change your spread over to 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 EVs.

Anyway, that's all I really have for now. You might also want to consider changing Scizor's spread to 24 HP / 252 Atk / 176 SpD / 56 Spe, to allow it to take Shadow Ball and Surf easier when switching in on Gengar and Latias, but that is really a matter of preference. As a final note, I'd just like to say that I quite liked your RMT format - it isn't too wordy, gives all the information you need, and the concise threat list is pretty cool too. Anyway, hope some of my suggestions help, and good luck with your team.
 
From a quick glance at your team, I see that your biggest problem at the moment is that you have no special based moves that can score a Super effective hit on a steel type. This means that Forretress, Skarmory, and to some extent, Metagross, will cause lots of problem for your team since you cannot OHKO. As the poster above mentioned, HP fire on Celebi can help to some extent, but you may want something apart from Celebi that can OHKO. Infernape could fit into this team nicely as a wall breaker and if you are against that, you might even want to consider Tyraniboah as nobody really runs him anymore and you can get a few surprise KO's with it, but for the purposes of your team, I would recommend Infernape and leaving the choice band on Tyranitar.
 
Hi there.

Your team is quite weak to Scizor as a whole. It doesn't mind switching into a lot of your Pokemon (Latias, Celebi, Tyranitar locked into Pursuit / Crunch) much at all, and can threaten them with any of Bullet Punch, Pursuit, or U-turn. I know you have a Gyarados to take Scizor on, but it really doesn't enjoy taking U-turn. That's the thing with CB Scizor - with U-turn it will weaken its counter throughout the game, switching to a counter for that counter repeatedly and never giving it the chance to recover or pose a threat. U-turn can do up to 26% to your Gyarados, meaning that after SR, it will be sitting at around half its health. At 25% on its next switch in, Gyarados doesn't look like that hot a Scizor counter anymore, does it? However, I think we can really use your Scizor weakness to your advantage. It loves to switch into so many of your Pokemon - let's entice it to do so and take it out by surprise there and then, opening the door for your sweepers to not be threatened by it later on in the game. This is of particular importance to your Latias, as with Dragon Pulse as a solitary attack, it will not be achieving much at all while there is a Scizor on the opposing team.

Your Celebi is the Pokemon I'm thinking of using as a lure. Scizor generally has very little to fear from Celebi, with a 4x resistance to Grass Knot, a 2x resistance to Psychic, and a low enough Speed to not be daunted by Thunder Wave. It will switch in and threaten to either kill you with U-turn or gain the switch advantage if you decide to switch Celebi out. This is why I think you should change Celebi over to the following set:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Natural Cure - Bold
252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe

~ Grass Knot
~ Hidden Power Fire
~ Recover
~ Thunder Wave

I have my doubts about the efficacy of the set you are currently running on Celebi. Firstly, with Natural Cure, Celebi is not unduly worried by status, and using Substitute to block it is definitely not worth a moveslot. So out with Substitute. Secondly, Grass Knot is undoubtedly the better of Celebi's STAB attacks to use on it. It allows it to function as a Gyarados counter, as well as warding off Tyranitar as Grass Knot will 2HKO even max HP variants. Now I'll explain the basis of this set here. Hidden Power Fire is the crux - this is how Celebi will be our lure. When Scizor comes in to threaten you with U-turn, use HP Fire to roast it immediately. With Scizor out the way, Latias, Tyranitar, and Celebi itself will enjoy so much more freedom and will be a lot more useful. Recover is necessary for the instant recovery - never forgo Recover on a Celebi. Leech Seed is nowhere near as reliable. Finally, Thunder Wave is chosen over Leech Seed in the last slot so that you can also threaten Heatran switchins, as well as spreading paralysis for your slow Tyranitar and Scizor to take advantage off. Latias also loves paralysis on the opposing Pokemon, as it = free sub = free CM = happy Latias. It also means that you can now deal with several of the Pokemon you highlighted on your threat list as being problematic - Thunder Wave will cripple Salamence, Dragonite, and AgiliGross, making them a lot easier for the rest of your team to deal with.

Alright, currently your Tyranitar and Scizor are fulfilling pretty much the exact same role - "strong CBer with Pursuit". I think Choice Band is locking you in too much here if you choose to run two users of it on this team. Scizor does the CBer job immensely well, and outclasses Tyranitar as a Pursuit user (as it is not weak to the attacks the common Pursuit targets use, e.g. Focus Blast, Surf, Grass Knot, etc). Let's make the most of our Scizor-slaying-Celebi lure, and make Tyranitar a Dragon Dance variant:

Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Sand Stream - Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

~ Dragon Dance
~ Crunch
~ Stone Edge
~ Earthquake

Remove opposing Scizor from the equation and the DD Ttar weaknesses you can exploit are astounding. The number of teams that use Scizor's Bullet Punch as the sole answer to the dancing dino is just that high. This Tyranitar works as a great mid game Pokemon, as well as a devastating end game one. Jolly allows you to outspeed the super-fast Pokemon that Adamant wouldn't - in particular, Infernape, Latias, Gengar, Azelf, and Starmie. You don't have Earthquake on your Metagross, and any Hippowdon leads should really be taken care of by Gross' Explosion, Gyarados' Waterfall, and Celebi's Grass Knot, so I think Earthquake is definitely the preferable move here. Crunch and Stone Edge are solid STAB attacks no Tyranitar should be without. Expert Belt helps mitigate some of the power loss from running Jolly, and nabs you some key KOs - most notably on Celebi with Crunch after a DD. Lum Berry can be used for some extra insurance, but I really think that with Celebi to take stray Thunder Waves and Metagross already using a Lum, Expert Belt is definitely the preferable item.

I would also suggest changing your Gyarados' EV spread up a bit. Right now, the 176 Speed EVs you are running put your stat at 242. Funnily enough, the Jolly Tyranitar I just recommended sits at 243. You want your Gyarados to be outspeeding all Tyranitar you face - hitting them with a Waterfall before they can hit you with Stone Edge quite literally is a do or die situation. I would bump Gyarados' Speed up to 246 - this will outspeed the common Pokemon that sit at 245 to outspeed Tyranitar (Celebi, Zapdos, Tentacruel). This would require 192 EVs, so what I'm suggesting is you change your spread over to 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 EVs.

Anyway, that's all I really have for now. You might also want to consider changing Scizor's spread to 24 HP / 252 Atk / 176 SpD / 56 Spe, to allow it to take Shadow Ball and Surf easier when switching in on Gengar and Latias, but that is really a matter of preference. As a final note, I'd just like to say that I quite liked your RMT format - it isn't too wordy, gives all the information you need, and the concise threat list is pretty cool too. Anyway, hope some of my suggestions help, and good luck with your team.


Hey thanks for the comments.
At the moment , i m pondering if i should get more SpAttack EVs on Celebi or get a Life Orb.

HP Fire fails to KO the Scizor spread you had suggested me there ( 24 HP / 176 SpD )

Without Sub on celebi i am now having problems with Jolly Breloom >;/

But HP- Fire and T-wave has also been working out quite good for me so far , so i will keep the Celebi for now :)

Also Skarmory has also been giving me tons of problems and i am not sure on what to replace.

I am thinking of

Latias @ Life Orb
Levitate - Timid
4Hp 252 SpA 252 Spe

~ Draco Meteor
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~ Recover

It could help with the Skarmory problem but gives me lesser chance of sweeping.

@ Muna

I don't like the idea of MixApe with Latias and perharps soon Latios around >;/

@ Faint
I've replaced my Old Celebi with the Celebi set Legacy Raider recommended so i guess Tyranitar can't block Psychic now.

Latias has a good shot at all bulky waters except CursePert.
Latias can outstall Suicune without Roar or Ice Beam :)

@ OMG

I did not promote any form of racism or antisemitism
So whats wrong with my name ? Having the word Nazi ?

If you are offended , my bad then.
 
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